[bscappell]

I'll give ya another example I have not done yet (I've used the thing twice and once most the day it was facing backwards) but heard about. You can point over to an adjacent boat to see their depths. 🤔🤔🤔

It doesn't magically put fish in the boat but it does help with certain things. I installed mine on a shuttle purposely in case I decided I don't see value.

 

[jcarufo]

Saturday you and I were fishing the same spot and we spoke after you landed your first one. I did not go home with a fish 😂

We hooked two more in the next hour. It's the person running our boat. Her manic contour line following and her threats when she directs me to change the depth on the line counter; that's probably the difference 😀. She's getting meaner in her old age, too. I used to be able to weasle an hour or two more river time after we limited on Chinook to play like I was fishing for Coho. She doesn't fall for that anymore.
We did try something a little different Saturday. Inside the Habanero I had Tuna, Anchovy paste, and Millennial Mulch for the first time. That produced 2 of the 3. Actually, I think it's the Saltwater Blend gel. What a beautiful day in the gorge. We will be back at it the 1st. jc

 

[Reddog 1909]

One add to this post. My gear has been anywhere from 10 to 15 feet above where I thought is was ..for years! But I have been catching fish there for years! The interesting thing is The fish were running where I thought my gear was (it wasn’t there) adjusting the gear hasn’t given me any more fish yet…but I am learning a lot more on currents and speed.

was the cost worth it? Probably not I’m fishing solo. most of the time a guide has 6 people dealing with gear and they can learn a lot . It’s still giving me precious info and fun but I can’t watch that screen and fish at a high level of confidence.But happy to see what hasn’t been seen before and as a past scientist knowledge is good if you read it right.

 

[Bobber Downey Jr.]

One add to this post. My gear has been anywhere from 10 to 15 feet above where I thought is was ..for years! But I have been catching fish there for years! The interesting thing is The fish were running where I thought my gear was (it wasn’t there) adjusting the gear hasn’t given me any more fish yet…but I am learning a lot more on currents and speed.

was the cost worth it? Probably not I’m fishing solo. most of the time a guide has 6 people dealing with gear and they can learn a lot . It’s still giving me precious info and fun but I can’t watch that screen and fish at a high level of confidence.But happy to see what hasn’t been seen before and as a past scientist knowledge is good if you read it right.

Your first point is the same for me. Gear is way above where I always thought - but it didn't matter. It's better that the biters come to YOU. Trying to get to their level, for me, hasn't worked like I always thought.

 

[GreenWillie]

I’ve had several long time followers finally commit and bite. And I’ve triggered a couple of bites with a quick drop of a foot of line off the reel, but have had many more shy away when I attempted it.

I have also, has anyone ever seen a sea lion or seal on livescope or active target?

 

[Bobber Downey Jr.]

We hooked two more in the next hour. It's the person running our boat. Her manic contour line following and her threats when she directs me to change the depth on the line counter; that's probably the difference 😀. She's getting meaner in her old age, too. I used to be able to weasle an hour or two more river time after we limited on Chinook to play like I was fishing for Coho. She doesn't fall for that anymore.
We did try something a little different Saturday. Inside the Habanero I had Tuna, Anchovy paste, and Millennial Mulch for the first time. That produced 2 of the 3. Actually, I think it's the Saltwater Blend gel. What a beautiful day in the gorge. We will be back at it the 1st. jc

On the topic of the day I saw you and your wife having a great time: LiveScope does not, under any circumstances, help with keeping fish hooked. Ask me how I know.

 

[jcarufo]

On the topic of the day I saw you and your wife having a great time: LiveScope does not, under any circumstances, help with keeping fish hooked. Ask me how I know.

I had a couple of days at Buoy-10 like that, but I tried to attribute it to the awful trebles vs my lack of skills. That's probably a reach though. My wife thinks it's my skills. We lost over a dozen fish where the hooks came back like that and that's a Gami. Marutos from now on. jc

 

[Bobber Downey Jr.]

I had a couple of days at Buoy-10 like that, but I tried to attribute it to the awful trebles vs my lack of skills. That's probably a reach though. My wife thinks it's my skills. We lost over a dozen fish where the hooks came back like that and that's a Gami. Marutos from now on. jc View attachment 1074769

Mine were on mustad trebles as well as 4/0 and 5/0 Big Rivers. Just couldn't win.

 

[jcarufo]

Mine were on mustad trebles as well as 4/0 and 5/0 Big Rivers. Just couldn't win.

I've never had a big river hook straighten, but 3 different treble manufacturers did the same thing during Buoy-10. I find it frustrating that it's impossible to find at least a 2X barbless treble. After reading some posts here, I went to the Gami, but you can see the result from my picture. And not just one, but all of them did the same. With free shipping at $25, I thought I'd try the Marutos. I feel your pain. Loosing fish, especially multiples, is not much fun. jc

 

[bscappell]

Mine were on mustad trebles as well as 4/0 and 5/0 Big Rivers. Just couldn't win.

I've never had a big river hook straighten, but 3 different treble manufacturers did the same thing during Buoy-10. I find it frustrating that it's impossible to find at least a 2X barbless treble. After reading some posts here, I went to the Gami, but you can see the result from my picture. And not just one, but all of them did the same. With free shipping at $25, I thought I'd try the Marutos. I feel your pain. Loosing fish, especially multiples, is not much fun. jc

And if you had livescope you could have at least watched the fish swim off 😂😂😂

 

[Bobber Downey Jr.]

I've never had a big river hook straighten, but 3 different treble manufacturers did the same thing during Buoy-10. I find it frustrating that it's impossible to find at least a 2X barbless treble. After reading some posts here, I went to the Gami, but you can see the result from my picture. And not just one, but all of them did the same. With free shipping at $25, I thought I'd try the Marutos. I feel your pain. Loosing fish, especially multiples, is not much fun. jc

While I'm still a pro at losing fish, I've never had a Mustad treble straighten on me.

I believe this is what I'm currently using

 

[Wicked_Stix]

Teaching point for me: Were the bent hooks from fighting fish or were they from snags? Also, were they bent before then straightened back?

I am a Gamakatsu guy just to keep things simple and because I have had great success with them. I have only had a Gamakatsu Big River Bait 3/0 hook bent on me when I tried to free a snag with 65lb braid main and 50lb Maxima Ultragreen monofilament. I was surprised that my line and/or knot didn't break as I applied easily more than 65lb of pressure.

I also learned that when a hook is bent, I discard it instead of trying to bend it back. My time on the water is too precious to have the bent hook fail on me again.

I notice that you guys are still using a treble with a single hook stinger. I was fishing with a treble and single hook stinger. I then switched to two single Gamakatsu Big River Bait 3/0 hooks. I noticed that I didn't get as many bites with the two singles as with the treble w/ single stinger. But my landing ratio was higher with the two singles compared the the treble w/ single stinger. Contemplating about whether I should go back to a treble w/ single stinger or not.

....and now back to LiveScope

 

[Quiet Riot]

I also had a bent out big river 4/0 at buoy 10, on a coho. Couldn't quite figure it out until I realized Jen had the drag locked down way too tight. Still a first to ever have a big river bend out.

 

[jcarufo]

While I'm still a pro at losing fish, I've never had a Mustad treble straighten on me.

I believe this is what I'm currently using
View attachment 1074777

I actually found some of these at Englund's Marine. They looked interesting with the shorter shank and actually fished well. They were barbed though. As to Wicked_Stix's question, all the hook failures came on fish. No snags. Leader was immediately replaced and the next one would bend out too. Three different manufacturers, at least a dozen fish lost. I ended up using Mustads and the KVD's and pinched barbs. I only use the treble/stinger when I'm fishing with bait heads. Stuffers and spinners are a 3/0 and 5/0 Big Rivers, 2 fingers apart.
Sorry for the hijack. Back to LS. jc

 

[Snopro]

For the hook benders...

What are your drag settings like? I use big river bait 3/0 and don't think I've ever bent one. Lowish drag.

Bent a fair number of twitching jigs.

 

[Chris Nordling]

I have also, has anyone ever seen a sea lion or seal on livescope or active target?

Yes. There is no doubt when a seal or sea lion is working your gear. The information I have learned since adding livescope has been invaluable in that respect. It is very apparent they are hunting ! It's really cool to watch from the livescope...

Chris

 

[jcarufo]

For the hook benders...

View attachment 1074787


What are your drag settings like? I use big river bait 3/0 and don't think I've ever bent one. Lowish drag.

Bent a fair number of twitching jigs.

Shouldn't really matter should it? Why should I have to weany a fish because of an inferior hook product. If the fish needs drag it's there. Way too many sealions and other boats to mess around. We ascribe to the lay the rod down and crank, lift and scoop. Never had a problem before this year. The big river hooks aren't the problem. The trebles are. jc

 

[Reddog 1909]

Teaching point for me: Were the bent hooks from fighting fish or were they from snags? Also, were they bent before then straightened back?

I am a Gamakatsu guy just to keep things simple and because I have had great success with them. I have only had a Gamakatsu Big River Bait 3/0 hook bent on me when I tried to free a snag with 65lb braid main and 50lb Maxima Ultragreen monofilament. I was surprised that my line and/or knot didn't break as I applied easily more than 65lb of pressure.

I also learned that when a hook is bent, I discard it instead of trying to bend it back. My time on the water is too precious to have the bent hook fail on me again.

I notice that you guys are still using a treble with a single hook stinger. I was fishing with a treble and single hook stinger. I then switched to two single Gamakatsu Big River Bait 3/0 hooks. I noticed that I didn't get as many bites with the two singles as with the treble w/ single stinger. But my landing ratio was higher with the two singles compared the the treble w/ single stinger. Contemplating about whether I should go back to a treble w/ single stinger or not.

....and now back to LiveScope

Singles are A lot easier to get out of the net Especially when the doubles and triples happen.

 

[Bobber Downey Jr.]

Today I used livescope for the greater good. One of the conservation orgs I've been talking to asked me to go get some livescope footage of salmon staging in a certain zone they're trying to get commercial sanctuary boundaries updated. Hopefully it helps.

 

[Snopro]

Shouldn't really matter should it?

If you're losing fish due to bent hooks it does.