I will prepare myself to be blasted here but I just do not understand why I'm seeing so many new shooters with newer purchased rifles in this caliber at the range lately? I personally would much rather have the 6.5 Creed or 7/08 for any animal over the .30 caliber marble shooter. What am I missing?
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7mm-08 is just a smaller derivative of 308 cartridge. So not understanding your question. A 308 can be loaded with light projectiles all the way up to heavies. it's a great utility caliber. One could argue that with a 308/30-06, a 22lr, and a 12ga shotgun you could hunt and survive all throughout North America without ever needing another caliber.
308 is a military round. Cheap Ammo. Lots of low cost bullet and brass selections for reloaders. Etc.
The real question is why 6.5 Creedmore? Other than the marketing fad and man buns. Why? There are plenty of similar calibers that were already in existence (ie 264 Win, etc).
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7mm-08 is just a smaller derivative of 308 cartridge. So not understanding your question. A 308 can be loaded with light projectiles all the way up to heavies. it's a great utility caliber. One could argue that with a 308/30-06, a 22lr, and a 12ga shotgun you could hunt and survive all throughout North America without ever needing another caliber.
308 is a military round. Cheap Ammo. Lots of low cost bullet and brass selections for reloaders. Etc.
The real question is why 6.5 Creedmore? Other than the marketing fad and man buns. Why? There are plenty of similar calibers that were already in existence (ie 264 Win, etc).
Ha ha. Or like the 260Rem. I think I would go with the 275 Rigby (7x57)Ford vs. Chevy
The real question is why 6.5 Creedmore? Other than the marketing fad and man buns. Why? There are plenty of similar calibers that were already in existence (ie 264 Win, etc).
Like previously mentioned, you can buy mil-surp ammo relatively inexpensive in 7.62x51. I believe some bolt rifles can shoot both 308 and 7.62. I know my scar 17 can, but thatās not my hunting rifle š¬.
Also, lots of published ballistic data on the round. The US military has spent lots of our money trying to dial it in. All in all itās an accurate round out to 1000 yards with the right rifle/shooter and still packs a pretty good punch.
Also, lots of published ballistic data on the round. The US military has spent lots of our money trying to dial it in. All in all itās an accurate round out to 1000 yards with the right rifle/shooter and still packs a pretty good punch.
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I love the 308. A true classic. I love it for deer, elk, and calling predators.
There are several reasons why I love the 308.
I have a friend in Hood River that knocked down a 300 pound black bear last year with his Model 7 that is chambered in the 308.
I will now slink back into the shadows.
I love the 308. A true classic. I love it for deer, elk, and calling predators.
There are several reasons why I love the 308.
I have a friend in Hood River that knocked down a 300 pound black bear last year with his Model 7 that is chambered in the 308.
I will now slink back into the shadows.
Why not?
It is a very capable round that has proven itself again and again. It is not heavy on recoil, accurate, inexpensive to shoot, ammo easy to find, versatile, short action, plenty of good rifles chambered for it, and it been around a long time with enough rifles out there that ammo should never vanish. So to me those are all good reason for a new shooter to get one.
It is a very capable round that has proven itself again and again. It is not heavy on recoil, accurate, inexpensive to shoot, ammo easy to find, versatile, short action, plenty of good rifles chambered for it, and it been around a long time with enough rifles out there that ammo should never vanish. So to me those are all good reason for a new shooter to get one.
Buy whatever you want, but learn to shoot. Shooting 308 is the cheapest big game cartridge you can shoot. And that matters a lot if you don't reload.
Oh by the way, learning to shoot is more than sitting at a bench.
Oh by the way, learning to shoot is more than sitting at a bench.
The correct question is, why not the .308?
The .308 is one of many perfect cartridges for the coast deer/bear hunter. Itās nice not everyone has drank the newer is better Kool-Aid.
The .308 is one of many perfect cartridges for the coast deer/bear hunter. Itās nice not everyone has drank the newer is better Kool-Aid.
The 30-06' was about what most folks needed for the lower 48 for any kind of game at reasonable ranges. Then the 308 came along and was able to match the same ballistics in a shorter and lighter receiver. Checking some of the reloading ballistic tables, sometimes the 308 exceeds the 06' velocities with 150 and 165 grain bullets and was slightly more efficient.
For factory ammo choices, there are far more selections for the 308 including many value options compared to the 6.5 creed and 7-08. I believe for reloading components you will find a greater selection of .30 cal bullet choices than either the 6.5 or 7.
If I had to recommend a cartridge for the everyday hunter who didn't reload, the 308 would probably be my recommendation.
For factory ammo choices, there are far more selections for the 308 including many value options compared to the 6.5 creed and 7-08. I believe for reloading components you will find a greater selection of .30 cal bullet choices than either the 6.5 or 7.
If I had to recommend a cartridge for the everyday hunter who didn't reload, the 308 would probably be my recommendation.
.308 shooter here. Remington model seven CDL stainless manufactured in 1997, one of the āgood onesā before Remington quality took a nose dive. I have other rifles, but theyāre all longer, heavier, and more expensive to shoot. My .308 is what I reach for 90% of the time and I never feel under gunned.
Also, a 7.62mm hole IS bigger than a 7mm or 6.5mm hole. Thems just the facts
Also, a 7.62mm hole IS bigger than a 7mm or 6.5mm hole. Thems just the facts
Mostly what I expected to hear.
Military used it for years so it must be good... or maybe it was just low recoil and cheap to shoot.
Yes, itās still used in FClass but thatās mostly because of the ex military influence Iām sure.
Creates a bigger hole? Purely ignoring the efficiency of the 6.5 and 7mm bullet selection.
Itās had decades to build relationships with shooters but itās just not the best choice anymore.
Military used it for years so it must be good... or maybe it was just low recoil and cheap to shoot.
Yes, itās still used in FClass but thatās mostly because of the ex military influence Iām sure.
Creates a bigger hole? Purely ignoring the efficiency of the 6.5 and 7mm bullet selection.
Itās had decades to build relationships with shooters but itās just not the best choice anymore.
I have no idea. As clearly demonstrated by my infographic here, it's relatively useless and should only be used by the elderly and women.
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I love the 308. But have to say anything I can do with it I can also do with a whole lot of other cartridges, much smaller to much bigger. There is no magic in killing!
Some people simply cannot bear the thought that there may be another hunter in the woods with a (flatter shooting, harder hitting, newer, cooler-sounding) rifle than them. I suspect that these are the same people who are satisfied driving 73 miles per hour on the freeway until someone tries to pass them at 76 miles per hour, at which point they speed up.
Some people like to get the newest, bestest, coolest thing out there as long as there is some demonstrable or perceived statistical improvement over the prior iteration of the same thing. I suspect that these are the same people who upgrade their iPhone every time a new one is released.
Some people like to give themselves, or at least appear to give themselves, every possible perceived advantage to protect against the possibility that they might...maybe...possibly...need it someday. I suspect that this is the demographic that buys 1 ton diesel pickups and chips them out, but never tow a single thing.
None of the people described above are in the wrong, they just have a different mindset than people who look at their current .308 that is no better or no worse than it was 50 years ago, and decide that it is still good enough. But gun-nut-ness provides a great platform for the people described above. Most people don't want 20 phones, and can't afford 20 pickups, and can't swap out one engine for another in the same pickup if they want to drive at sea level versus 6000 feet anyway.
But you can have 20 guns, and you can use different ammo in your rifle for coyotes than you do for moose, and that's kind of cool. But it's not for me. I suspect that when I encounter a situation where I say to myself "Boy I'd love to take that shot, but I don't think my rifle would kill the (deer, elk, antelope) so I'd better not shoot." or "Boy, I'd like to climb up on that ridge, but my rifle is just too heavy", I may change my tune. But I don't foresee either of those scenarios as likely.
By the way, I do not own a .308, but if my favorite hunting rifle was a .308 I'd be OK with that.
Some people like to get the newest, bestest, coolest thing out there as long as there is some demonstrable or perceived statistical improvement over the prior iteration of the same thing. I suspect that these are the same people who upgrade their iPhone every time a new one is released.
Some people like to give themselves, or at least appear to give themselves, every possible perceived advantage to protect against the possibility that they might...maybe...possibly...need it someday. I suspect that this is the demographic that buys 1 ton diesel pickups and chips them out, but never tow a single thing.
None of the people described above are in the wrong, they just have a different mindset than people who look at their current .308 that is no better or no worse than it was 50 years ago, and decide that it is still good enough. But gun-nut-ness provides a great platform for the people described above. Most people don't want 20 phones, and can't afford 20 pickups, and can't swap out one engine for another in the same pickup if they want to drive at sea level versus 6000 feet anyway.
But you can have 20 guns, and you can use different ammo in your rifle for coyotes than you do for moose, and that's kind of cool. But it's not for me. I suspect that when I encounter a situation where I say to myself "Boy I'd love to take that shot, but I don't think my rifle would kill the (deer, elk, antelope) so I'd better not shoot." or "Boy, I'd like to climb up on that ridge, but my rifle is just too heavy", I may change my tune. But I don't foresee either of those scenarios as likely.
By the way, I do not own a .308, but if my favorite hunting rifle was a .308 I'd be OK with that.
308 is a tried, true, and effective medium game round. Are there better calibers for some applications? Sure, but probably not by a whole lot.
I recently sold a 308 to a young man who needed a first hunting rifle. He killed a buck last year with one plain old Core-Lokt. Not fancy, just 100% effective.
I recently sold a 308 to a young man who needed a first hunting rifle. He killed a buck last year with one plain old Core-Lokt. Not fancy, just 100% effective.
My dad has killed thousands of pounds of meat (deer and elk) with his .308. My daughter got a ram with it.
Why the argument?
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Why not the 308? I hunted with my dad's 308 for a few years before I had my own rifle. Load it for light recoil, smaller bullets for variment, heavy bullets for large game, has pretty good ballistics for most hunting situations. It is just one of those standard all purpose calibers, much like the 30/06.
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Still have an old Remington 788 in 308 buried in the safe. Haven't touched it in 20+ years. Took a couple of deer with it. Bought a model 7 in 7-08 that took it's place.
My first hunter class bench gun was a 308 with a .331 neck. Still have that barrel laying around somewhere. That was the caliber of choice before some of the variants started becoming more prominent in the mid 90's.
My first hunter class bench gun was a 308 with a .331 neck. Still have that barrel laying around somewhere. That was the caliber of choice before some of the variants started becoming more prominent in the mid 90's.
Why the .308? Because real elk calibers begin with a 3.
There is a crowd that chases the latest and greatest, but there is also a crowd that is fascinated with history and being proficient with cartridges that have been around for a while. The last time I bought myself a rifle, I didn't mess with that new-fangled .308. I bought a rifle chambered for a cartridge developed in the 1860's. I killed a deer with it last fall, too. I'll think about buying a 6.5 Creedmoor in the 2150's. :wink:
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There is a crowd that chases the latest and greatest, but there is also a crowd that is fascinated with history and being proficient with cartridges that have been around for a while. The last time I bought myself a rifle, I didn't mess with that new-fangled .308. I bought a rifle chambered for a cartridge developed in the 1860's. I killed a deer with it last fall, too. I'll think about buying a 6.5 Creedmoor in the 2150's. :wink:
to make a point,
I had a 260 and now have a 6.5 swede. This caliber is great.
Also for years I have toyed with the idea of rebarrelling my Sako 308 to 7mm 08. So i have looked at the numbers many times.
My conclusion was to stay with the 308 because at ranges at and under 300 yards it has more energy than the 7mm, a larger wound channel and uses heavier bullets at no trajectory disadvantage.
I had a 260 and now have a 6.5 swede. This caliber is great.
Also for years I have toyed with the idea of rebarrelling my Sako 308 to 7mm 08. So i have looked at the numbers many times.
My conclusion was to stay with the 308 because at ranges at and under 300 yards it has more energy than the 7mm, a larger wound channel and uses heavier bullets at no trajectory disadvantage.
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