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Elk still a problem in Tillamook

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Farmers fed up with roaming elk

Published: April 11, 2006

Elk occupy Port of Tillamook Bay property in January after hazing efforts failed to keep them away.
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BY JOE HAPP

Headlight-Herald Staff

TILLAMOOK — "Something's gotta be done."

That was the most frequently repeated phrase at a meeting here last week attended by about 25 Tillamook County dairymen to discuss their frustration with wandering elk herds and the damage they're doing to farmland in the north, central and southern parts of the county.

Large numbers of free-ranging elk have become a bigger, more visible problem recently, not only for farmers, but for private foresters, state and federal land managers and officials at the Port of Tillamook Bay.

Farmers say the growing elk population is damaging their fences and gates, eating forage intended for cows, causing minor erosion problems along streams and possibly posing the threat of infecting dairy herds with a number of diseases.

Foresters say the animals damage reforestation efforts by eating seedlings and port officials complain that they damage fences and drainage systems and could endanger operations at the port's airfield near U.S. 101 south of town.

The elk have also become a public relations problem of sorts for anyone contemplating measures to thin the herds. When news reports surfaced in January that port officials had arranged an "emergency hunt" in an attempt to move a herd of about 160 elk off port land, the ensuing outcry by some local residents and others from around the state and nation caused them to drop the idea. Instead, they concentrated on hazing the animals off the 1,600-acre property and repairing damaged fencing.

But that only transferred the problem to surrounding farmers, according to Port Manager Jack Crider, who also attended last week's meeting.

"The problem is that nobody wants these animals," Crider said.

He said the port can't afford to spend the money it would take to put up sturdier fencing that would keep the elk off its land. He indicated that situation would likely change after a deal is signed with a developer to build a golf course, hotel and other facilities on port land.

"Time and a few hundred thousand dollars will do it," Crider said.

But that won't help the farmers who say they're seeing more and more elk on their land.

Dairy farmer Richard Obrist, who chaired the April 3 meeting at the First Christian Church, took an informal survey of those present and most reported sighting herds on their land ranging in size from 40 to 200 head.

Herman Bierderbeck, a biologist with the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, told the group that the demand to control the elk is spreading out over a much larger area. He said his agency has established an ideal population of 5,200 elk in the Trask Unit, which covers most of the central and southern portions of the county. He said he thinks the number is below that now and that elk in the Wilson unit to the north are also below established levels.

"Two things affect damage done by the elk," Biederbeck said, "the number of elk and the sizes of the groups they're in."

He said ODFW's goals are to bring the numbers of elk in the area "back to the carrying capacity of the land and to reduce the numbers in each group."

Biederbeck said relocating the animals to preserves in other parts of the state isn't a likely option now.

"All Roosevelt elk habitat in Western Oregon is occupied," he said.

The biologist noted that some elk could be relocated on a short-term basis to areas recovering from the 2002 Biscuit fire in Southwest Oregon and the 2003 B&B fire in the Sisters Range District.

But, he estimated the cost of relocating each animal could be prohibitively expensive.

"Besides," he said, "if you only relocate some, you haven't solved the problem." Responding to a question, he said sterilization efforts have not proven to be cost effective.

According to Biederbeck, hazing animals off a property has only limited effectiveness.

"If elk are shot at and they equate the sound of gunfire with death," he said, "they learn where they aren't wanted."

One South County farmer commented that hazing animals back and forth between farms "is a game where I live."

Another commented that elk prefer to eat vegetation on forestland that has been clear-cut, but "if there's no logging, if there's nothing to eat in the forests, they'll be down on our land."

The farmers told Biederbeck they would like to have more hunting tags available to pass out to hunters on their land.

"I think there are still opportunities for hunters and landowners to work together to solve the elk problem," Biederbeck told the group.

The farmers were urged to work with the Oregon Hunters Association to come up with a plan for controlling the area's elk population that takes public sensibilities about hunts into consideration and then seek approval of state officials.

That group meets on the third Monday of each month, from 7 to 9 p.m., in the Tillamook PUD conference room at 1115 Pacific Ave. in Tillamook.
 
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Yep, they are going to have too start nibbling at this herd. The state is doing a lot of logging down that way because of the Swiss needle cast disease, but they have been complaining also and I believe getting damage hunts on their land. This may be part of the reason the elk are hitting the pasture land, to get away. Once the trees take hold, the state should not be so concerned about elk damage.

Anybody got an idea how many elk are in this area? A herd of 200 is going to have 50-60 calves, so they are going to have to do something. I know, Mt. St.Helens is short a few! Just kidding! :cheers:
 
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So basically the moral of the story is that people are never happy. What happens when they relocate the elk or haze them enough that they move further away from Tillamook? People will complain that there are no elk to hunt. Dairy farmers complaining that elk may infect their herds? I doubt that. Most outbreaks start from livestock and then are passed on to wild animals. People are gonna bash ODFW no matter what they do to try and help the situation.
 
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Foresters say the animals damage reforestation efforts by eating seedlings

I believe that many timber companies have been using more urbacides in their clear cuts over the last number of years. There is very little plant life in newer clear cuts in recent years. I believe that elk are primarily grazers and prefer grass over Douglas Fir seedlings. If you remove the grass and other young plant life that the Elk prefer they have to either eat the Douglas Fir, or move to an area with prefered food such as "the cow pastures".
 
#6 ·
My dad and I run a tree nursery and two years ago a herd of elk ran through a new planting of aspen trees we had just put in. They nibbled off branches and made their rubs, and by morning they had caused $3,000 in damage. They can get a lot done in not much time.

Mark
 
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I dont think these farmers that norm speaks of are any i have ever talked to. I am 35 yrs old hunting since 12 and finding private property to hunt on is like finding the gold at the end of the rainbow. If there are so many farmers eager to give out permission to hunt elk they need to make themselves a little easier to get ahold of, Because the ones that I have spoke to have said NO!!!!!!!!
 
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You guys missed the important part, the farmers wanted more tags to give out to hunters on their land. Now why would "they" need the tags???

Yep, if they have a problem, they need to partner with the hunters who have tags.
 
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"The farmers told Biederbeck they would like to have more hunting tags available to pass out to hunters on their land."

"Pass out" to hunters or SELL to hunters?

"Yep, if they have a problem, they need to partner with the hunters who have tags."

I can't believe that is a problem. I would imagine that there would be people lined up to fill their tag on this land?
 
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In fact I think that if any rancher calls in a damage control complaint The ODFW and a group of volintears should round up the animals, load them into horse trailers and put them in areas where elk are on a decline. there are plenty of areas that could use surplus animals not to mention getting new blood in interbread herd's if this were done Oregon just might have world class elk hunting in the future.
 
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:laugh: :laugh: Gottafish, have you ever tried to round up a herd of elk, let alone one? Can I come take video's, it oughta be a top seller. :laugh:

Relocating elk is expensive and dangerous work for both participants involved. It would seem better to me to let some hunters come in and work on these herds and knock them down some. But first we must set a goal for what we want to acheive, the port wants to reduce them so they will not have elk on their property, the farmers want to reduce them so they don't have them going through fences and eating their grass. So how much reduction would that take? Probably all of them! That's the problem. We have to be realistic here, there are probably too many elk in this area and becoming incompatible with the current land use, but is it realistic to kill off all these elk and expect more not to move down into this area when this void is created? NO! So there is going to have to be a happy medium, we need to create some exceptable hunts and the farmers are going to have to cooperate, even if it means allowing hunter access on THEIR lands.

Just like the cougar situation, ODF&W must hold the line for sportsmen, sport hunting is the only tool to help with this situation. But now that we opened the can of worms, I suspect Tillamook will be the first place to use bounty hunters to reduce this herd. :hoboy:

This would be a great area for an extended bow season, muzzle loader, and in the right places rifles. I can understand some of the landowners fears about anybody coming to hunt on their lands. Maybe ODF&W should have a list, guys can sign up for and then have a meet and greet day, with a field test so the farmers can see who cuts the mustard. We need to solve this problem, using sportsmen. :cheers:
 
#15 ·
I think we should lobby to transplant some wolves into the area to restore some natural balance. Clearly not enough predators if the elk are so far above carrying capacity.

That would make much more sense than allowing enhanced access/harvest of a PUBLIC RESOURCE.
 
#16 ·
Oh boy greatwhitehunter thanks now there will be wolfs slipped in there... :laugh: It would only cost them about 1 billion to do the study vs letting hunters hunt....34.50 plus tags.. :cheers:
 
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There has been elk in those fields for many many decades. It isnt like they just all of sudden just came out of the hills. :noway: :noway:

A little management would prevent the problem from getting out of hand. :shrug:

The herd over by HWY6 when you first drop into the valley have been there for a long time. You can watch the farmer pull out in the field on opening day of elk season with his tractor and shoot one if you want. :shrug: pull out in a pick up and they run, ...use a tractor and they just lay there. :sick:

The $10/day access to hunt the base obviously didnt work out.

If those elk could make milk in any quantity, I am sure a farmer would be fencing them in and running them thru the parlor :jester: :jester: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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RankAmateur Not sure myself on the cost of relocation, but it seems the blimp hanger elk would be easier than most to round up in a couple of stock trailers and give them a new home. And I agree with all in favor of hunting on the farm land no matter what steps I would have to take, as long as I could follow a farmer out to his pasture and wack a nice bull. Heak I'd even offer up an extra 100.00 for him to loader up in the tractor, But if indeed any attempts to come up with hunters type solutuion fail, then odfw should approach hunters/volunteers in the off season and do somthing else rather than having an after season slaughter.
 
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Like Roy said these herds have been around forever. During the winter months they are deffinitely more visible and prevelant in the farmers fields. Basically due to that is where the food his. As spring approaches more elk will use the available food that is springing up in the hills.

I have a herd at my house that has been 20 to 30 animals since I was a kid. Every year they wack 8 to 12 bulls and and a half a dozen cows. With the new calves and other bulls joining the heard each year the size remains fairly consistant. This is basically status quo with the majority of the field elk in the county.

As for the base its problem is that it has become a safe haven for these elk. It has everything that elk would want, great food source, great cover, water, terrain is flat, and basically gets zero hunting pressure. Yes they provide permits to hunt out there but you can not shoot them in the field, you have to be in the brush and its as thick as any stuff the coast as to offer. So what I am trying to lay out is that it is ideal for elk. And so the herd grows. And I can understand the base heard is becoming quite large but for the rest of the farmers its not much differnt than it has always been.

And any damage hunt is not going to let you start killing bulls, and I doubt that farmers are going to fetch much of a price for a cow tag. So I don't think that is their motive, just tired of repairing fence, I probably would be to.

The elk right now on the base aren't hurting a thing, in the event that this golf course comes in, then build a fence to keep them out. Because as some of you have eludded to you will have to kill them all to keep them out. They have been using these fields for decades and when winter months drive them down searching for food they will be back.

My opinion a contributing factor to elk in the fields is that after logging we don't burn the units anymore. Chemicals are sprayed on clearcutts that basically nuke the ground for several years allowing the new trees to get a head start. All the browse and food that was generated after logging just does not happen anymore. So the elk gotta find food some where

Not sure of my overall point just my :twocents:
 
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Chemicals are sprayed on clearcutts that basically nuke the ground for several years allowing the new trees to get a head start. All the browse and food that was generated after logging just does not happen anymore. So the elk gotta find food some where :bricks:

Thanks Travis for the insight, I like to get the local's opinion, makes it a lot easier to understand. :cheers:




salmon hugger
 
#25 ·
Travis, good post. I agree that the Elk aren't hurting anything on the base. The fence around the golf course is a good idea. There's not much food in the clear cuts anymore.

I also believe that if they realy didn't want Elk in the port land that they could fix the holes and gates in the existing fence. I believe that when they do hunt inside the fence that the elk cant get out easily enough. I have watched them hunt from 101, and the elk run to the fence but don't cross it. The hunters stay between the Elk and the openings in the fence. I'm not sure why the Elk won't go through the fence, maby because it is a dark colored fence that they can see easily. :shrug: Any way I also believe that if they removed the whole fence the elk would be able to leave the property when some of them are killed. I'm sure they would eventualy return, but I believe they would be gone for a considerable amount of time. In other areas including farm fields when some are shot the rest go somewhere else for a time, and without the fence they would probably go back to the hills until they ran out of food. :twocents:
 
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Had another idea about those elk at the blimp hanger. I wonder if any of the big wigs or high ranking personnel have ever checked in to the prospect of making that area into another Jewel elk viewing area , or the one outside of Reedsport (Deans creek?). Not sure but I would imagine that the feds would buy into that (Dept. of interior, etc.) also Im almost positive that some organizations such as R.M.E.F., Safari club, and others would contribute time and money to see something like that get established, especially on a heavy tourist highway. So if they are not going to make these elk accessible for hunters in some ethical manor why not at least make a viewing area that we can all foam at the mouth together at. Hope Im not babbling if so sorry.