A pointy .30-30 through the lungs will kill any elk she shoots at distances she's likely to shoot.

And I'm keeping my mouth shut about that other cartridge.


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A pointy .30-30 through the lungs will kill any elk she shoots at distances she's likely to shoot.

And I'm keeping my mouth shut about that other cartridge.


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Im proud of you. I know how hard that was.:applause:

I Agree. Know your girls range and I don't see why it wouldn't be just fine.

 

The ammo isn't metal cased, is it? That's verboten in a bolt rifle. It cost me $90 and shame to learn that lesson.




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Are you saying no cheap steel casing in bolt action?
I have 500 rounds of silver bear 125 gr SP, zinc plated steel case.

 

Thanks for the heads up. I will look into this. You're talking about 556?
I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere these CZs will eat anything. And, I would think bolt actions for this round figured people will use surplus ammo.
Thanks again

 

I have not heard of anybody killing an elk with a 762x39. The common guideline is 1500 lb. energy at point of impact for elk. If your 762x39 can deliver that with a well-constructed bullet with good shot placement, you will be eating elk tenderloin for dinner.

 

That's BARELY a DEER round. It's CERTAINLY NOT an Elk round. Before someone chimes in and points out that it's "all about bullet placement", IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT BULLET PLACEMENT!!!!!:doh: :flowered: :wink:

There are MANY better cartridges for a young/small person to use as an all around rifle. You might want to see if she can handle the .270 before you buy something else. My wife handles the .300 H&H just fine!!!

 

That's BARELY a DEER round. It's CERTAINLY NOT an Elk round.

I think its plenty for deer. Deer aren't that big of an animal. I know its not a long distance shooter.
It's also big enough for wild pig/boar. And those are some tough animals.
Elk, well thats why I'm throwing it out here and see if anyone used it.
Worst case scenario it will be good gun for her to get past the recoil and nice little deer or coyote gun. When elk season comes she'll just have to use the 270.

 

So I'm in the market for a new rifle for daughter who will be hunting her 1st time this year. Last two years she been along my side, She's a trooper and I she will hunt harder then most guys.
I want her to have one rifle for deer and elk. Planned on her using my 270, but I think it might be too much gun for her. I haven't had her shoot it yet, but I don't want to turn her off either.
I am looking to get her a CZ 527 carbine 7.62x39 and do a low power scope, like a 2-7 as it will not be a long distance shooter.

Anyone have any real world experience with that round on elk?

I killed a spike with an 7.65 Argentine, 150 grn. Speer SP

Double lung at 30 yards. 15 yd. recovery

That's all I can tell you.

 

"My wife handles a .300 H&H just fine." So does mine.

There are real elk cartridges, and there are imposters.

 

It's an elk cartridge imposter like I'm Brad Pit imposter!!!!

 

I love the gun you're talking about. I tried to figure out how I could turn that platform into a caliber with a little more pop. I just couldn't come up with an idea. I think that's the "micro mauser." It's a really cool action.

I think you're on the light side in terms of energy. A quick check of Hornady's website and it looks like their .243 cartridges turn out more energy at 300yrds than the 7.62x39 does at 100yrds. I personally think a .243 is a fine gun for elk as long as you exercise some discretion. I've killed elk with a bow and I'd certainly take a 7.62x39 over a bow. I probably wouldn't pick that caliber for elk though. Yes, I think you can do it. I don't think you would want to shoot much over a 100yrds. Is it really worth buying a gun that is that limited?

Why not a CZ550 in .243? Gun too heavy? You could try a Tikka. I don't think the recoil between those two cartridges is much different.

 

Get her the .270. She's not made of glass and can handle it better than you think she can. I started with a 30-06 when I was 12 and I was the smallest boy in my 7th grade class so I know she can shoot the .270 and she can shoot it well.

 

There are many, better low recoil rounds for elk and deer at normal distances. The 7.62x39 will certainly kill an elk; will your daughter have the patience, skill and stealth to get sufficiently close to elk for a lethal shot without being detected? A 260 Remington or 7mm-08 will have significantly better trajectory and energy with only a little more recoil; significantly less recoil and muzzle blast than your .270.

Here is a link to a good recoil table; you can review multiple gun/bullet/cartridge combinations:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

 

I agree that the 7.62x39 is a bit too light and certainly not very versatile. A .260 loaded with a Barnes 120 TTSX or a 125 Nosler Partition at around 2600-2700 fps would have light recoil and be a significantly better choice. Later on she could step up to the 140s at 2750fps. The 7mm-08 or .308 with good bullets in the 130-150 grain range and velocity around 2600 fps would be perfect. The Ruger American compact with the shorter stock and barrel seems a great choice over the CZ in this case.

 

I should also add, dad wants a new plinker that his teenage daughter can use for hunting and can be passed on to the younger sister who's 6 and the youngest bother Hunter who is almost 4.
The cost of ammo is a big issue and I'd like to shoot more often then not and I don't re load.. I want my kids to be proficient handlers of the gun and be comfortable shooting it. Like I said maybe its just going to have to be a deer rifle.
I think the 270 is great all around gun (better than 7-08) and Im not giving up my Tikka 06.

 

762x39 is a .311 in Military Ammo. Bullet choice will be limited. .308 are likely to be inaccurate, rattling down the Barrel. Just Buy a 308 and low recoil Ammo. Then when the child kids older they can shoot full power Ammo.

 

Get the managed recoil rounds for the .270 for her to practice and get use the the rifle with. Once she is confident introduce her to a full load.

 

I don't know that it's to light but it is pretty odd ball don't you think? Only ammo I have ever seen for one is steel cased FMJ's. Have no idea where you'd look for the premium ammo you spoke of.

Know you don't want to hear about the 7mm-08 but fact is it would be an excellent choice. 260 would be too but I don't think ammo is all that accessible . Easy fix would be a 6.5x55 or even a 7x57. Ammo accessibility still might be a problem though. of course if you reload, accessibility just don't matter. You reload? If so and you just want a 7.62 for her, I'd go with 308 win! Some of the worst recoiling rifles I've ever seen were 30-30's.

 

I dont re load. Only reason I don't want to hear about pink panties is I see it every other post, so I have looked into already. :flowered:
There is some premium ammo on line. carbon has 150gr going 2300 fps, fusion has some as does Winchester. I think with in 100-200 yards that should be ok on deer. I wouldn't want to go past 100 yards for elk.
I know its weak sauce for elk, But for some reason I like that little rifle and cheap ammo.
Ill have to do more research. Thanks

 

I dont re load. Only reason I don't want to hear about pink panties is I see it every other post, so I have looked into already. :flowered:

There is some premium ammo on line. carbon has 150gr going 2300 fps, fusion has some as does Winchester. I think with in 100-200 yards that should be ok on deer. I wouldn't want to go past 100 yards for elk.

I know its weak sauce for elk, But for some reason I like that little rifle and cheap ammo.

Ill have to do more research. Thanks

Sounds like you have your mind made up, but also have realistic expectations of the cartridge. If you keep it inside of 100 yards for elk, you shouldn't have any problems. Having a cartridge that the youngster can practice with enough to become proficient will go a long way. This setup will require a perfect shot, and a even slightly marginal hit will likely result in a long recovery or lost animal. Goodluck on your elk hunt.

 

Anything the 30-30 will do, yours will as well.

Bullet selection is important. many slugs are designed for much higher velocity. Don't get fooled into using a stiff bullet.

 

A volleyball size is about right.
Clipping the edge of the lungs or angled shot hitting only one lung; with a lower velocity light for caliber bullet is a good way to loose an animal or have a very long recovery on a moving "dead on its feet" elk. (Giving another hunter a chance to drop the elk)
FF makes a good point that maybe a traditional deer bullet will perform better at these lower impact velocities. This setup will work, but there isn't much margin for error.

 

Outfitters will sometimes say 30-06 or 160 grain @ 2800 fps as a minimum for elk.
They see a lot of action and all sorts of talent on the trigger.

Glad that the OP has abandoned the idea of the 7.62 x 39 for elk.

 

Outfitters are just being cautious.
How many elk and bear has 30/30 taken? 170 gr going 2200 fps?
I think trigger time will be more crucial to a her (young new shooter) than a bigger bullet.
You don't always get a perfect shooting lane/opportunity.

 

Years ago I took an antelope and a cow elk with my open sited sks. I was tired of hearing all the talk about assault weapons not being good for hunting. The antelope dropped in its tracks after I walked the fourth shot in. The cow elk died after taking a shot at 100 yards that was found next to the heart. The heart was intact but was bruised. So yes the round will work on elk.

As a guide that answered the phone when the outfitter was gone, our only concern was that the hunter could shoot the gun accurately. We had five guys come from Florida with brand new 300 win mags. They figured they needed the power to kill an elk. Problem was they all were scared of the gun. Four of them had nice little crescents over their eye. One of them got his elk with the 300. The other took his with my .243. A dang .22 will kill most anything. Fact is, just shoot what you have well. That's what is important.

 

Personally I`d say make sure the rifle fits her regardless of what kind it is. If it`s to long or to heavy she`s not going to be able to shoot it. At least not very good. Just starting out like that with a long time to hunt seems a 7mm-08 would be an excellent choice. She could us it for everything she`s hunting out as far as she or anybody should be shooting and us it for ever without any need to up grade.:twocents: I wish they would have been around when I first started.

 

Now that they make the Ruger American in the 6.5 Creedmore it ought to be a great light little starter rifle extraordinaire. Looks like they load 120s and 140s.

 

My wife is recoil shy, she shoots a 30-06 with 125gr. BT and 48gr. imr 4064. Recoil is mild and she can shoot it just fine. Penetration into phone books is good and she won't be shooting much over 100 yrds.

A 180 gr. Accubond with 49.5 gr. imr 4064 shoots almost the same. She will have that in the rifle for Elk. I basically don't feel the recoil of my 338mag. shooting at an Elk, so the recoil of some good 06 loads will be fine for the wife.

I recommend you get your girl a good 308, load up some mild rounds for practice and some full loaded round for elk.

I would not use a 7.62 for elk.

 

I would not use a 7.62 for elk.

I thought you wouldn't use a 7mm-08, either.

If she keeps her shots close to 100 yards the 7.62x39 with appropriate (Core-Lokts come to mind) would do the job.



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Personally, the 7.62x39 wouldn't be what I'd get my girls.
Hard to beat the .308 or variants for versatility.
And I've never liked the tapered case of the Russian round from a reloading perspective.
I'd probably start them on deer w/ a reduced recoil load, then bump up to heavier loads for elk AFTER they gained confidence.
You can certainly load up a .308 or 7mm-08 to just about any power level you choose.
An modern max loads for the .308 rival those of the .30-06 of yesteryear.
Hunt'nFish

 

I want to buy a rifle that can also shoot surplus ammo. so 7-08 is out. is there a bolt action rifle out there that shoots 7.62 nato? and 308?

 

Do your own research, but from what I've read you can fire 7.62 NATO through just about any commercial .308 Win. with no problems.



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Remington's Managed Recoil factory loads throw a 125 grain bullet at 2660fps, a very light recoiling load.