Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

Owin on Outdoor GPS offered up some advice the other day, says he uses a Wide Gap Finesse as the tow hook. Short shank makes a better spin according to him. I'm certainly going to try them.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

Owin on Outdoor GPS offered up some advice the other day, says he uses a Wide Gap Finesse as the tow hook. Short shank makes a better spin according to him. I'm certainly going to try them.

Yep. I have been using those for a few years and Chinook HOOK to land ratio is good. Coho at 10 and coastwise not so good but any barbless hooks sucks for Ho's!!!

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

I've been using Gami finesse wide gaps since the year before the barbless reg change. Don't overthink it and let them eat it.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

I've had my best luck pinching 4/0 owner cutting points. IMHO they're the best hooks on the market. Period.

Keith

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

I've had my best luck pinching 4/0 owner cutting points. IMHO they're the best hooks on the market. Period.

Keith

+1

Though from time to time I'll step down to 3/0 depending on certain situations.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

NOT a guide so take it for what it's worth.

Std old school Octo's (Gami Owner Mustad Eagle Claw all make their version) are still by far the most popular hooks for CPH.

I know several guides that swear by the Gami WGF for at least their trailer hook, some that use it as a tow hook as well. The short shank and round bend helps the tow hook to achieve a very tight axial spin. The short shank also helps when fishing barbless as it decreases the amount of leverage a fish has to roll the hook out of position.

My preferred setup is Gami BRB for the hangback trailer. I feel it has a distinct advantage in locking into place and holding on to a fish WITHOUT the need for a barb. I'll fish ANYTHING but a BRB for the tow hook. The acute bend of the BRB tends to make the CPH tow off axis producing a wider wobbly spin. Not that it won't catch fish, but a tight axial spin tows with the absolute least amount of resistance, thereby allowing you to maximize fishing time with cut bait before the hook cheese-wires thru your herring. Right now, I've got a surplus of Gami Octo's to get rid of, so that's what gets tied on for tow hooks. Lately I've been on a trend of smaller tow hooks... 3/0 for just about everything.

Finally, my up and coming all-star rig is the hangback circle. Played around with Gami Nautilus as well as the older Gami in-line circles for this hangback application with excellent results. Yes... I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE!

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

NOT a guide so take it for what it's worth.

Std old school Octo's (Gami Owner Mustad Eagle Claw all make their version) are still by far the most popular hooks for CPH.

I know several guides that swear by the Gami WGF for at least their trailer hook, some that use it as a tow hook as well. The short shank and round bend helps the tow hook to achieve a very tight axial spin. The short shank also helps when fishing barbless as it decreases the amount of leverage a fish has to roll the hook out of position.

My preferred setup is Gami BRB for the hangback trailer. I feel it has a distinct advantage in locking into place and holding on to a fish WITHOUT the need for a barb. I'll fish ANYTHING but a BRB for the tow hook. The acute bend of the BRB tends to make the CPH tow off axis producing a wider wobbly spin. Not that it won't catch fish, but a tight axial spin tows with the absolute least amount of resistance, thereby allowing you to maximize fishing time with cut bait before the hook cheese-wires thru your herring. Right now, I've got a surplus of Gami Octo's to get rid of, so that's what gets tied on for tow hooks. Lately I've been on a trend of smaller tow hooks... 3/0 for just about everything.

Finally, my up and coming all-star rig is the hangback circle. Played around with Gami Nautilus as well as the older Gami in-line circles for this hangback application with excellent results. Yes... I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE!

eye Fish:

Do you happen to have a close-up photo (without the fish) of your Gami Octopus Tow hook (4/0?) and Gami BRB 3/0 trailer?

If you have a picture of a rigged cut plug herring, all the better.

I'm especially interested in the hook spacing, eye to eye. A lot of people measure their spacing in "fingers", which of course varies from one person to the next. I'm currently using 4 1/2" spacing hook eye to hook eye. Interested in what spacing other people are using with green label cut plug herring.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

I am using 4/0 wide gap up front with a 3/0 big river trailer. My landing ratio went up when I switched to the Big River hooks over wide gaps that I had been using for years before barbless came into effect.

As a side note, Owner has a new fine wire hook that I will be giving a try on my rod during the early season 1/2 day springer warm up trips I am doing.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

As a side note, Owner has a new fine wire hook that I will be giving a try on my rod during the early season 1/2 day springer warm up trips I am doing.

I don't fish anywhere barbless is required, and fish the same hooks as you, finesse wide gap tow hook, and big river bait trailer....

I tried the owner "herring" hooks, liked the light wire and shape...until I used them. the offset is backwards to every other hook I use, which I didn't like, and I lost and missed too many fish on those dang hooks, good luck, I had bad luck with them.

 

Re: Guides Choice Barbless Hook for Cut Plug Herring

I use big river 3/0 bait fished buoy 10 limits 5 days in a row no fished lost. Day 6 hooked 7 fish lost 7 in a row . the pole and the person fighting the fish also affects the landing ratio.

 

Maruto Barbless Grabber Hoo

 

Here, too. Was a bit afraid of what was going to happen when I hooked my first salmon on a barbless (actually a semi-barbless). Not a problem. In addition, I swear you could run a train over these hooks and they won't straighten out. Awesome hooks. You who are stuck in the same ole, same ole...break out. Give em a try.
Shoot, if an old woman can bring a salmon into the boat on a Maruto semi-barbless, you guys certainly can.

 

If you're talking factory barbless, the only choice is the Maruto. Nothing else matters.....

 

If you're talking factory barbless, the only choice is the Maruto. Nothing else matters.....

I agree, starting using Maruto trebles on U-20 flatfish for summerruns in the CR, cut the fish lost ratio by at about 20%. They do work.

 

Gamakatsu 4/0 finesse wide gap tow hook and 3/0 big river bait hook trailer.

 

:smash: I don't hate many things in my life. But, barbless hooks are on the top
of that list.

fop

 

Thanks for the report. I have confidence in what I normally use but always looking for that magical combination.......

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me too, a guy shouldn't change what works, but I can't help it

 

3/0 Owner mesqueto, I turn the eye slightly and add about a 10deg offsett, same as the herring hooks. And everthing I set the hook on comes to the net, barbs pinches and a 2/0 trailer..... Same hook but in a 5/0 is my belly hook on my plugs, with a treble tail hook and doible split rings, and again if they touch it they come to the net. Fine wire sticks fish.

 

Maruto Barbless Grabber Hook

 

Big river bait hooks. After switching to these last spring we only lost a couple fish the rest of the year

 

If someone is gonna spend big bucks on premium hooks, I would advocate prioritizing their use on the trailing hook. At least the way the Laws of Physics work on my barge, the trailing hook catches the overwhelming majority of the fish. While I cannot deny the evidence of my own eyes, reading some of the posts on Ifish over the years, YMMV.

Just about any dam hook will suffice for towing your bait. I never count on that front hook catching the fish (HA... except when it does!). As long as you can bait it without destroying your herring, use the cheapest reasonably short-shanked hook money can buy. Whatever you do, just don't waste a perfectly good $1 Gami BRB for your tow hook.

 

I've always used Gami octopus 4/0 tow and 3/0 trailer. Lost one fish in5 years, I can't say I catch a lot compared to other posts but get what I hook if using good technique. Based on Doc and Bob Ross' input I went out and bought some Gami finesse and BRB. Tied a set up tonight and really like the look of them. Anxious to get them in the water to try out. My red Octopus hooks are still a great back up.

 

I use any nickel colored 4/0 for the lead hook as long as its not cutting tip. For the trailing hook 3/0 I'm using the Gami Finess wide gap and pinching the barb.

 

4/0 gamagatzu octopus hooks with the barbs pinched or broken work good for me.

 

I'm still running the light wire Mustads. I like the way they penetrate.

3/0s for green labels.
Barbless for over ten years, even on whole herring.

 

After testing a pile of hooks on the charter boats last year, I found the Gami 3/0 BRB barbed to work the best.


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Hmmm. I was thinking of using the BRB hook as my tow hook and an Octo as my trailer.. I am 0-6 with the BRB as the trailer and, ~80% with the octopus...

It's nice to see people having success with BRB hooks, but I don't trust them anymore.

 

Switched to big river couple years ago,best thing I ever did.

 

Where does one purchase the Maruto semi-barbless. I was given some
to try out and had good success with them.

 

Where does one purchase the Maruto semi-barbless. I was given some
to try out and had good success with them.

I know Bobs has them.

 

Sportsman's has the Murato...also Matzuo.

 

Fishermans has them and Great American Tackle has them. You can also order them direct from the company. They are very conscientious about filling orders quickly.

 

Here is a pic of a FWG and BRB set up I just found hiding in my rod locker, hooks still sharp enough to stick in my hand.