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Can someone please explain to me why upriver doesn't get an extension? There will now be 15 more extra days for lower as compared to upper. We had bad conditions as well during this most recent extension.

The extension days need to be equal.
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Yes. Someone at ODFW or WDFW can do that. Why not ask someone that has the correct answer at their fingertips rather than start another *itchfest on iFISH?
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B10 to Tongue Point has not had any extension days, and we would fish on a more diverse mixed stock, so upriver impacts would be more diluted.

Upriver guys fish right on top of the constraining stocks, probably has something to do with it.
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Can someone please explain to me why upriver doesn't get an extension? There will now be 15 more extra days for lower as compared to upper. We had bad conditions as well during this most recent extension.

The extension days need to be equal.
I was on the call...
They're still a little nervous about the late-run timing and whether it will hold.
So they delayed a decision about upriver fishing until June 1.
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I was on the call...
They're still a little nervous about the late-run timing and whether it will hold.
So they delayed a decision about upriver fishing until June 1.
Thanks Bill, I was on call and missed that part. Thanks
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But still... With 4,900+ still on the down river table, it seems shifting a few upriver would have been a reasonable bone to toss them...
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put the boat on the trailer and go downriver
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But still... With 4,900+ still on the down river table, it seems shifting a few upriver would have been a reasonable bone to toss them...
The idea was brought up and asked for at least 2 times during the meeting.
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It's not about FISH, it's about M-O-N-E-Y. The number of fishing licenses sold east of the Cascades is miniscule when compared to the number sold west of the Cascades. The DFW's are catering to those that spend the money. The quotas are higher west of the Cascades because there are more people and more licenses sold. Almost every fish that swims over Bonneville is going east of the Cascades, where the population is low and fishing pressure is low.

Eastern Oregonians are getting really tired of being scr&*d by the western part of the state.
put the boat on the trailer and go downriver
No. Give us upriver part of the quota and YOU put your boat on the trailer. When the lower river closed a bunch of you did just that (and a bunch of guides) and came upriver and used up part of our already small quota. Is it any wonder why the eastern part of the state isn't happy with the western part?
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Upriver guys fish right on top of the constraining stocks, probably has something to do with it.
Upriver guys fish on exactly the same stocks that go over Bonny. And there are a h*ll of a lot fewer of us on the east side. There are so few of us that I know almost every local that regularly fishes in the pool that I fish. It's the same faces, year after year.
Really not being a dick, and not saying anything you upriver guys don鈥檛 already know. I feel your pain. Fact is you鈥檙e the very last man in line. Every spring and every fall these same things happen, and we have these same conversations. This isn鈥檛 about west guys screwing the east guys, it鈥檚 about the user group farthest downstream getting first shot and highest priority at the fish. It鈥檚 about the policies of our inept fish and game departments and our inability to control our greed. It鈥檚 all the take and all the user groups that get their fish before we get to fight for the scraps. I hate to say it, but we鈥檙e getting closer and closer to fighting for the last fish. Best join the masses in the lower river so you can fight for it too.
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As I understand it the impacts are distributed based on expected effort. I don't know about this year, but last year I think the allocation (harvest and impacts) was 950-ish fish for all main stem fisheries above Bonneville to the WA/OR state line above Umatilla.

I expect its the same this year (less than a 1000 fish). There is a place mid river where the fishing can be quite good and I suspect its where a lot of the impacts/harvest goes. By the time the fish reach the upper limits, and if fishing is good, the allocation can be swallowed up in 2-3 days.

Having 200,000+ fish come back would actually solve the problem. In 2015 (I think), the above Bonneville fishery stayed open, and fishing was great from Late April on.

I live in this upper area, so I am definitely impacted. Am I bummed? A little. But I'm in flavor of conservative management. Barring evidence to the contrary, I accept the DFWs are trying to spread the fish across the user group. But there are not a ton of fish.
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The rime to the reason is, they do not let us fish usually on the peak of the run, right now the peak is in the upper river. It is all about impact, the lower river fishes on mixed stocks with the up river fish being roughly 60% of the run. The upriver guys fish on 100% of the upriver run, so they have a differed incidental impact than the lower river. Not an East vs west situation
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Can someone please explain to me why upriver doesn't get an extension? There will now be 15 more extra days for lower as compared to upper. We had bad conditions as well during this most recent extension.

The extension days need to be equal.
As the saying goes, bend over and grab the pipes.
Upriver guys fish on exactly the same stocks that go over Bonny. And there are a h*ll of a lot fewer of us on the east side. There are so few of us that I know almost every local that regularly fishes in the pool that I fish. It's the same faces, year after year.
Lots of fish turn off at the Wind, Drano, and even the deschutes after passing Bonneville.

And again, my home stretch of river hosts tge most diverse mixing of stocks (to inckude SAFE area hatchery fish), yet we are shut down as well. Effort here would be low, as would impacts, but we watch em swim right by for the Longview and Portland crowd too.
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Lots of fish turn off at the Wind, Drano, and even the deschutes after passing Bonneville.

And again, my home stretch of river hosts tge most diverse mixing of stocks (to inckude SAFE area hatchery fish), yet we are shut down as well. Effort here would be low, as would impacts, but we watch em swim right by for the Longview and Portland crowd too.
And the Wind and Drano are hammered by the west side guys. The difference is that there are far, far more anglers on the west side than on the east. From the mid to upper river the pressure from locals is low because there aren't a lot of people. The real pressure comes from the tribes, not from non-tribal anglers. Once past The Dalles, non tribal fishing drops off precipitously, unless the lower river closes, and then there are far more west siders fishing on the east side than east side residents. Us east siders can tell by the hog lines, which is a west side phenomena, not an east side. When a trolling lane has more than 10 boats, we can tell that the boats aren't local.
The fix might be tags for specific pools, with quotas for pools, not from 'Bonneville to the border'. If you want to fish specific pools you choose which tags to buy, and no license holder can have a tag for more than 2 pools. What's going on now is patently unfair to the under populated area east of the Cascades.
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No. Give us upriver part of the quota and YOU put your boat on the trailer. When the lower river closed a bunch of you did just that (and a bunch of guides) and came upriver and used up part of our already small quota. Is it any wonder why the eastern part of the state isn't happy with the western part?
there must be more schools in the western part of the state.
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