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Not really. Instead of "rifle" season, they became "any legal weapon" seasons a few years ago. If anyone asks, you shot it with your bow which you've since sold in a gun show parking lot 'cause background checks are not legal for bows. (Yet.)
Probably can't order them online, however, Sportsman's Warehouse had some in stock for sale yesterday as well as a bunch of 20-30 round AR-15 mags and some for AKs. They didn't have anything over 10 rounds for the AR-10s.
If you have to use your firearm in self defense, law enforcement WILL be examining your firearm, magazine capacity, etc. Guilt on any aspect is very likely to considered in context of whether you're charged on any other aspect. I would not be too cavalier about the mag capacity restriction. Still (obviously) better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 but .. I'd weigh which risks are truly necessary vs which are "I'll show YOU" that might prove to be more costly than beneficial. We need this overturned, not merely ignored, not merely evaded by what we think is a logical loophole. IMHO anyway ...
Update.
I started in the CHL queue around 7000th on 11/25. By 11/30 I was between 4900 and 5000. On 12/3 I was about 4400, 12/6 about 3825, and a couple minutes ago, around 3650. I don't think this one will go through if the permit implementation delay is only 'til Jan 8.
At this point, I would not special order anything you have to pay for prior to taking possession. If the retailer will do the background check before taking your money, go for it if you have time to stand in line, otherwise, it seems pointless.
I started in the CHL queue around 7000th on 11/25. By 11/30 I was between 4900 and 5000. On 12/3 I was about 4400, 12/6 about 3825, and a couple minutes ago, around 3650. I don't think this one will go through if the permit implementation delay is only 'til Jan 8.
At this point, I would not special order anything you have to pay for prior to taking possession. If the retailer will do the background check before taking your money, go for it if you have time to stand in line, otherwise, it seems pointless.
I called in to check again .. 12/12. In the last 3 days I have moved forward 81 spots. At the current rate, I will be able to pick up my gun in 133 days. That is, except that each 3 day increment so far, the progress has been less than the one before, and that 133 days assumes no further slowdown of progress which I think is unrealistic at this point. I'm not a very happy camper.
^^^^ Jeffo - I completely agree with your assessment of the magazine situation. Magazine capacity isn't really what gets my panties in a bunch, though, other than it makes some guns I'd like to buy not accessible because there's no "low capacity" version, only the standard capacity version which exceed's Oregon's apparent limit under 114. My focus is on the permit to purchase requirement which is de facto (publicly visible) registration of all future purchases.
Not just permission to speak, but pay for a permit to speak freely, vote, not incriminate ourselves in court, etc. What right guaranteed by the bill of rights do we have to get a permit from the government, with issue at their discretion, to exercise? This is so fundamentally vile, so antithetical about what it means to be an American, that I just .. twitch. In a bad way.
They might be moving along, they might not. In 2 days I moved 21 places forward. Still 3500 ahead of me. But the feller at Sportsman's says not to worry, I'll probably have my gun by Christmas. Maybe he wasn't talking about THIS year. At that rate maybe Christmas 2024. I'm teetering on the verge of canceling the order and asking for my money back. Since I'm not planning to get the permit-to-purchase, at the rate the line is moving <for me> I've just given Sportsman's a long term no interest loan. 
People who promote gun control to reduce violence are mistaking means for motivation. As long as the motivation remains, taking away one means just moves 'em down the line to the next choice. OKC .. Tim McVeigh killed 168 people without a single shot fired. Near 3000 died on 9/11 and not a single shot fired. The human condition has never been "safe" and as long as we remain human it is delusion to think otherwise. We can address the motivation angle with some success .. it will take time and never be 100% effective but it is worthwhile, and we can discourage those who would harm others through making it fatally dangerous to do so. Beyond that ... someone is smokin' crack. Gun control only makes it safe for criminals, not for their intended victims. The more gun control you have, the safer for the criminals. They can practice, prepare, train, work out .. it's their livelihood. The rest of us, their victims, don't have the time to do that. We have jobs, responsibilities, we don't have the time to become some sorta kung fu masters who can fight off knife attacks in our sleep. We need our guns. Plain and simple. Delays in obtaining them, no matter how legitimate they seem to the foolish, put the potential victim at further disadvantage without deterring those bent on violence in the slightest.
I can't tell through reading the measure's text. I think the most cautious reading is that yes, they'd have to get the permit-to-purchase first, but there might be some other point of law that takes precedent since it isn't explicitly stated.
I'm not even sure about inheritance. That, too, may require interpretation. Lets say, for instance, elderly parents live with one of two siblings, shared household. Lets say the will states the firearms go to a different sibling. CAN that person take possession under 114 without a permit-to-purchase, and if not, what happens?
Taking away guns isn't going to reduce domestic violence. It's foolish to think otherwise. They'll just move on to plan B. Every household I know of has at least one butcher knife. They also typically have heavy bludgeoning things and flammable things. If you're truly trying to reduce domestic violence rather than just dishonestly saying that's your goal, you HAVE to go at it from the motivation standpoint. It's the only path to success, the rest is just .. looking for a scapegoat rather than tackling the problem.
The waiting continues on the background check started 11/25. There were about 7000 ahead of me. I made good progress for a few days. By Dec 3 I'd moved forward 2500 spots in line and things were looking optimistic. It has been slowing greatly each time I check since then. Just when I think it can't get worse than what it was, it finds a way.
Between the last 2 checks (Dec 12 & 14), 2 days had passed, I moved forward 21 spots.
Between the most recent 2 checks (Dec 14 & 19), 5 days passed, and I moved forward .. 21 spots.
Still over 3500 ahead of me.
Not looking good. I don't think this one comes through before the permits are required. Guess we'll see what the judge says but my hopes of taking this home are pretty much imaginary at this point.
Between the last 2 checks (Dec 12 & 14), 2 days had passed, I moved forward 21 spots.
Between the most recent 2 checks (Dec 14 & 19), 5 days passed, and I moved forward .. 21 spots.
Still over 3500 ahead of me.
Not looking good. I don't think this one comes through before the permits are required. Guess we'll see what the judge says but my hopes of taking this home are pretty much imaginary at this point.
Fool!!!
.. it's not the perpetrator's fault, they're a victim of an inanimate object don't you know? (Tongue in cheek of course.)Dunno why but this somehow reminds me of Blue Oyster Cult's song "Black Blade"
Which Sportsman's Warehouse store is this?
I'm asking because I talked to the gun counter manager at one and got a text from a friend who works at the gun counter at another and what you're reporting directly contradicts what both of those people reported their store policies / practice are. The 4473 expiring does not terminate your background check. It continues. You just have to fill out a new 4473 when the background check completes, they call it in to OSP, provide the original background check number to crossreference that it passed, then you take your gun home.
One or the other of us has been lied to.
I'm going to find out. My background check expires tomorrow .. Christmas Day .. so I'll find out pretty soon what the truth is.
A couple someones here mentioned that efforts are already in motion to follow 114 with confiscation measure on semi auto rifles and many semi auto pistols. Can anyone provide links for this .. especially / preferably links to the web sites of groups involved in organizing these efforts? I'm preparing for a "pleasant Christmas discussion" with some o' my family members who are insisting "nobody wants to take your guns." Thanks in advance ....
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