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This is where all related topics regarding Measure 114 will take place. If you start a thread elsewhere it will not be moved here, it will be removed. We are having to babysit and deal with too many threads on this subject, so to have it all in one place it will be more manageable. Please adhere to the AUP. We know the topic is political, but it's important to our recreational choices as hunters and fishermen. This means keep it civil and on topic.
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Restraining order extended another 10 days by Harney County judge, so all of Measure 114 still on hold until then. State AG requested another hearing with the judge on December 23rd. In federal court the State AG has agreed to a delay til February 8th on the permit process due to the lack of training classes set up, but just the permit part of 114 is delayed at the federal level.

Let's hope OSP can get most or all of the backlog of background checks cleared by the 23rd.
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The state's position is that the judge has a restraining order on all sections of Measure 114, but the lawsuit was only challenging the 10 magazine limit. Which since the law is severable, was a really poor choice by the attorneys of the lawsuit. The state's position is the judge is overstepping his bounds by holding up sections of the law that were not even challenged. I'm surprised the Oregon supreme court didn't step in on that part of his restraining order, but they still may depending on how the hearing on the 23rd goes. The state is trying to argue that the judge can only review the 10 magazine limit portion of the bill because that is all the lawsuit was attacking. The state has a point; Measure 114 is severable, meaning if one portion is defeated all other sections still stand as law. Good on the Harney county judge for fighting the good fight, but he's eventually going to run out of steam. Somebody else needs to quickly enjoin this lawsuit and attack the other severable parts of Measure 114, and that would shut down the state's position on the 23rd.......as then the lawsuit would be attacking all severable portions of Measure 114.
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The WA FFL would have to ship the handgun to your FFL in Oregon. And any gun purchased out of state, the FFL has to abide by Oregon gun laws (that is a federal law).
That Kaemph Law lawsuit against OFF is interesting. Fee Agreement signed on November 21st and they were fired on December 8. So the contract was in place for only 17 days. The fee agreement letter promised that Kaemph Law would notify OFF before they did any work that exceeded the $60K retainer. Kaemph Law is claiming $126K+ in fees, $66K of which they billed on December 15th, a week after being fired. Based on the OFF email, OFF is stating that Kaemph Law billed them for work they allegedly did before the agreement was ever signed, and did not notify them in advance of that $66K extra work (thus violating the Fee Agreement). So as part of the evidentiary discovery phase, Kaemph Law will have to produce the advance notification documentation for that $66K of extra work if they hope to win the lawsuit. As well as all of their billing documentation for the judge to review, and there are strict rules and regulations regarding billing for law firms. Interesting that Kaemph Law opted to represent itself in the lawsuit, given attorney/client privileges rules that is a little odd.....

A judge is going to question why any work done prior to the fee agreement being signed didn't bill against the $60K retainer first instead of being included in the final bill a week after being fired. As well as if the work done prior to the fee agreement signed was known to be greater than $60K why was the retainer only set at $60K. Kaemph Law will have to show a copy of the actual Fee Agreement (wasn't included in the lawsuit paperwork) and that agreement has to have specific terms that show OFF agreed to pay for the specific work completed prior to the Fee Agreement being signed. So yeah, will be interesting to follow the evidentiary discovery phase to see who is telling the truth....

If it's true that "several months of work" was done before the Fee Agreement was signed, the retainer should have been set to an amount that would reflect that as part of full disclosure under attorney ethics rules.....
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I was at FFL yesterday filling out some paperwork, and the current background check line is 24K. But that particular FFL is calling in the background checks now, and said it usually clears in a day or two.
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The Oregon Supreme Court simply decided not to intervene at this time, and denied the writ of mandamus that the Oregon Attorney General was trying to get them to do to force the law to take effect now without waiting for the court process to play out. Meaning for now we wait for the lower courts process to play out over time, with the implementation of measure 114 still on hold pending results of the litigation.

I didn't see it posted in this thread yet, but the Oregon State Police added documents in one of the federal lawsuits clarifying that the FBI is refusing to implement their part of Measure 114 regarding the background checks for permit applicants. As the FBI has determined that Measure 114 violates Pub. L 92-544. Measure 114 was relying on the fingerprint process of the FBI background checks to allow OSP to issue permits to purchase a gun. So OSP will have to rely on their regular background check process, meaning yet another part of Measure 114 was poorly written.
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Is there any information about specific future dates affecting implementation? (Pondering a new elk rifle, not sure if I want to dive into the fray again or not.)
Now that the Oregon Supreme Court has decided (twice) to not intervene, Measure 114 is now blocked from being implemented until a full trial occurs in the state court system. The date for the trial has not been set yet. It will be months before a trial happens, and gets any resolution.
Saw this on the news today:

Yeah I saw that. So frustrating. All the items they are trying to put into a new law are going to fail at SCOTUS based on the Bruen ruling. Especially the "ghost gun" law, as serial numbers were not even required until 1968 so they're trying to make all guns illegal built before 1968 and any home-built gun since then. Which has been perfectly legal, and all the "ghost gun" laws will fail Bruen's historical test. Just crazy.
Picked up three AR lowers today from my FFL that I had shipped to them for the transfer. I was always an instant approval guy even before my CHL, but the FFL told me that alot of instant approval guys are getting stuck in the queue these days. So instead of putting me in the system, they did the phone call method. They said it takes 1-3 days for approval via that method instead of waiting weeks or months in the queue. I went and had lunch, and got a call to come back and pick up my lowers. Approved via phone method 2 hours after I filled out the paperwork. Apparently there is a direct phone number now for doing approvals over the phone much faster than the online queue. I'd call around to FFLs and ask what their methods are.
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Not directly related to 114 specifically. but a federal judge issued injunction today on the ATF pistol brace rule. June 1st was the deadline for registering AR pistol with brace as an SBR. So this injunction blocks the impact until such time as the court case is reviewed at a later date.
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