[duke1122]

Any group or person getting involved better have very knowelable attorneys. The State has millions of dollars and dozens of attorneys and "friendly" judges to fight the Bill of Rights. And the OSP states their working with their partners to make it work. Last I read many Sheriffs (partners) have said B.S.

 

[duke1122]

Let me preface by saying that I’m a “Liberal” and I have 22 firearms in my safe including those that have more than ten round capable magazines.

I didn’t plan to chime in here, but statements about how clear 2A is and that the government can’t take rights away, etc are just emotions spewing out. Felons cannot legally possess firearms and I can’t seem to find an addendum to 2A that allows that infringement. Fully automatic weapons cannot be possessed by anyone without a specific permit. Again there is no such prohibition in 2A.

No one is trying to take all of your/our guns away.

what solutions do any of you have to Semtex the mass shootings of children in schools, churchgoers in their temples, shoppers, movie goers, paraders, etc? Let’s hear your solutions. Not the old “enforce the laws we have” or “provide better mental healthcare”. I want to hear some real solutions.

114 is flawed, no doubt and some of it will be repealed.

I see that some of you are okay with the purchase permit. That is an infringement! Most of what I see here are people complaining of the nag capacity.

come on, give me some real solutions that you’re willing to accept and pay for. Quit your whining and bellyaching and promote a real, viable, enforceable solution!

I'll give you one solution. Put armed staff and teachers in the schools. How many mass shootings have you heard of at gun shows. From what I've heard, over 80% of mass shootings are in gun free zones. Provide real protection and the C.S. wackos will leave that spot alone.

 

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The sad reality is Oregon has been emptying prisons of violent felons for a couple decades. Plus, not dealing with juvie felons at all. Steal a $50,000 car, drive it out of gas and grab another one. Never convicted, free to roam the streets stealing, robbing, assaulting, dealing, etc. What's left is a lifetime perp who is the example for a new generation of the same. IMO were seeing the third generation (30 years) in action.

 

[duke1122]

No need to parse my comments about that. I am aware of it being the operator not the tool. A better way to phrase that would have been to say "Gun misuse, criminals with guns, mentally compromised people with guns".....etc........ I didn't intend to imply the 'guns'. Changes to weaponry can also play only a very minor role in solving the problem. I don't differentiate between my Browning semiauto shotgun and the AR platform with the exception being capacity. Both very lethal in different ways. Delivery is faster and capacity is greater in one over the other and that gives the AR an edge, but the difference between mag capacities in the AR are negligible given the brief reload pause. This change does not make one appreciably less capable than the other. We all realize these type changes will not bear much fruit. The key will always be the people. We may find an agreeable way to better manage possession and thereby curb some misuse. (I guess I'm not in enough trouble yet..........As an aside......I believe there is a much bigger societal issue worth taking a look at. It would not hurt my feelings to see the entire gun culture hyper focus toned down, but we all have a say in that. America can be about a lot more things to a lot more people than just guns, guns, guns. Proud stickers on our vehicles, hats, T-shirts, everything adorned in nationalistic flags and guns. One thing I have never thought in my life is that I was 'proud' of my weapons. They are just nice tools and I give them the respect they are due given their lethality. That's all. I don't need to announce anything to anyone by putting an AR or some other gun sticker on my truck. So what's you're *** point. I doubt I will ever see a more repulsive Christmas card than the one of a family all proudly holding AR's........seriously......it used to be about the baby Jesus, love, inclusion, and hope..............Not that 'we're all armed, dangerous, and proud of lethal weapons that kill things'.......perspective.

I don't agree or disagree with your long posts. I just wonder why, like Jeffo, your you and him are so sold on your stances. Get the perps and wackos off the street and 90% of the problem goes away. Legal gun owners aren't the problem and passing laws against their rights won't cure the violence.

 

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This guy was jailed today. Felon in possession of eight handguns.
Police: Felon found with 8 handguns during traffic stop in NE Portland (msn.com)

I am starting a betting pool as to when he gets released.

-E-

Before Christmas.

 

[duke1122]

A state of 4.5 million and 10's of thousand gov't employees and only ONE of them with a sack. Does anyone besides me hear the drain circling?

 

[duke1122]

There was an article on line this morning about a man in Portland getting sentenced for being a felon in possession of a gun. He got into an altercation with his gal friend at a SE Portland bar (big surprise there) and as it escalated outside he roughed her up a bit and retrieved a handgun which he fired. Police quickly arrested him. They found a .38 revolver with 5 spent shell casings in his vehicle. Within 9 days of the arrest he pled guilty and received a 77 month sentence. I assume he will serve roughly half of that unless he creates a problem while incarcerated.....so maybe 3 years or less? (just guessing). He has previously been convicted of EIGHTEEN (18) FELONIES. Now 19. Obviously he could give two schits about whether he is a convicted felon in possession of a firearm or not. He'll likely spend his time being peeved at his girlfriend rather than being concerned about possessing firearms. Upon his exit from the system he will have another firearm within a week. Until we address this type of issue all the magazine restrictions and other feckless ideas about gun purchases will bear very little fruit. I, for one, would be willing to be inconvenienced by background checks, waiting periods, and maybe even some silly magazine restrictions if we could negotiate some kind of ironclad guarantee that this type of revolving door was closed by meaningful penalties. Otherwise, all the steps they wish to make responsible gun owners take just become worthless irritants straining out very few disqualified buyers.

The entities working to ban guns aren't about to negotiate. They don't care about felons and crime. Their goal is to ban guns for all uses. They state it in their mission statement. By being willing to give on your rights, it won't do one iota to curb perps from wrecking havoc.

 

[duke1122]

I'm trying to interpret how your comment applies to what I said. So far I haven't grasped that. It just seems a bit more like provocative, perhaps inflammatory, rhetoric. What I was attempting to point out is how little sense it makes to throw out inaccurate hysteria type statements such as "they (whoever that is) don't care about felons or crime". So some group of people in America don't care about felons or crime? Who would that be? Sure seems like most people I have ever known have been opposed to at least those couple of things. Maybe I'll find out I'm wrong and they (whoever that is) really don't care about those things. Who knows.... And like I said I've never had someone tell me that they wanted to ban all guns and all uses of guns. I'm sticking to that statement. I haven't. I just always try to maintain some semblance of reality guardrails around the discussion. I don't let fear rule my life. I don't need to demonize some stereotypical grouping to focus blame and disagreement on. I don't let hysteria motivate me toward panic gun buying. I have never had one person ask for my guns, demand my guns, or attempt to take them (they can't have them). I have a guaranteed constitutional law to possess them. It is currently settled law. I trust I will be aware enough to 'know' if 'the war' is starting and plan ahead. I have. Many people have made strong cases that perhaps some versions of extremely lethal arms may have to be regulated. I own the ones they are talking about. There seems to be at least some legitimacy to the empirical evidence about their lethality and their use in heinous mass shootings. Everyone argues about that and to what extent....and what to do about it. We have had the crap regulated out of us in regards to rocket launchers, grenades, mortars, ballistic missiles, nukes, and chemical weapons. To the layman such as myself, it seems fairly clear certain varieties of firearms are commonly used in many of these events and it seems at least reasonable and sane to discuss them in that context. So what? I'm unsure how the obtuse suggestion that I give up my guns had anything whatever to do with the discussion, but it wouldn't be the first time if I missed the point. I was at least attempting to be contributory to reasonable discussion. Trust me, I'm not blind, I'm not uninformed, I don't put unilateral, universal trust in the motivations of others and I'm paying attention, but I'm not latching on to hysteria or demonizations that seem counterproductive to legitimate discussion. No offense.

Thanks for your input. You stated "who would that be." BLM AND ANTIFIA. Get rid of cops, jails, and the justice system. Think back 18 months and downtown and Se pdx. Some people have short memories. Over and out.

 

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Can anyone post the OFF email?