[pinhead2]

All the effort and $$$ seems to have failed to end mainstream commercial gill nets. They need to go and efforts to improve the marketability of harvests from Tribal nets to replace the legacy netters. The Tribal hatcheries are the best at handling that aspect, get the needed effort to tribal boats.

Concur. About ALL of the coho above the HR bridge are from tribal managed hatcheries. Yakima River, Imnaha River, Klickitat......

 

[pinhead2]

People don't know that the largest run of the year for Chinook was the Summer run, which was much bigger than the Fall run. If you want to get some real historical facts about the size of these huge runs, talk to Buzz Ramsey. (But I'm sure the know it all people who post on here know more than him, right? Lol.)

12-16 million is the correct number--for a PRISTINE ecosystem. It's arguable whether the ecosystem has been 'pristine' for 10,000 years. The number was actually a Wild A**ed Guess by biologists sitting at a table and looking for a 'consensus'. It could have been more, or less.
Whatever, we know that it was considerably more than what comes back to the Columbia, now.

 

[pinhead2]

It was THE one that ended the summer run.

And the Chief Joseph was built without fish passage............

 

[CKthumper]

What really sucks.... if you watch the counts bounce after net sessions... especially steelhead numbers. It is tragic in my opinion to impact steelhead. On top of it ODFW implemented Thermal Sanctuary Areas to protect them. Definition of insanity.

Ever notice that when numbers drop they usually drop across the board? A 40% drop in Chinook adults will be accompanied by a 40% drop in Coho jacks. One might argue that to be proof that 8 and 9 inch mesh nets also catch a lot of 16" fish, but how likely is that?

 

[rowmanholiday]

Ever notice that when numbers drop they usually drop across the board? A 40% drop in Chinook adults will be accompanied by a 40% drop in Coho jacks. One might argue that to be proof that 8 and 9 inch mesh nets also catch a lot of 16" fish, but how likely is that?

Interesting. I have never looked into that correlation myself. What would be another issue one might argue?

 

[CKthumper]

Mother Nature can be a contrary wench. Changing discharge through the dam has been shown to affect passage, weather conditions affect fish activity, and it is plausible that a hundred boats swinging 900 ft nets could disrupt travel, even if they do not catch every fish.

Also worthy of note is that a few days of reduced passage is often followed by a nice bump in numbers. Again, usually an across the board drop followed by an across the board jump.

 

[thomasquall1986]

Ever notice that when numbers drop they usually drop across the board? A 40% drop in Chinook adults will be accompanied by a 40% drop in Coho jacks. One might argue that to be proof that 8 and 9 inch mesh nets also catch a lot of 16" fish, but how likely is that?

Sorry but there is no chance if catching jacks fishing 9 inch mesh. I don't think you really understand how large the opening is with 9 inch mesh.

 

[CKthumper]

I don't think you understood my post, as that was my point. 8" mesh has about 16 sq inches of opening. 9" about 20 sq inches. About 12 yrs ago there was a net session for summer Chinook, conducted at a time that there were arguably 100,000 sockeye in the river. The nets caught 400 of them, so small fish CAN be caught in large mesh nets, but not in any serious number.

 

[bonjoevi2000]

Anybody got a gillnet schedule for zones 4-5? Below dam. Tia.

 

[Snopro]

Anybody got a gillnet schedule for zones 4-5? Below dam. Tia.

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Zones 4-5

9 PM Wednesday August 7 to 6 AM Thursday August 8 (9 hours)
9 PM Monday August 12 to 6 AM Tuesday August 13 (9 hours)
9 PM Wednesday August 14 to 6 AM Thursday August 15 (9 hours)
9 PM Sunday August 18 to 6 AM Monday August 19 (9 hours)
9 PM Tuesday August 20 to 6 AM Wednesday August 21 (9 hours)
9 PM Thursday August 22 to 6 AM Friday August 23 (9 hours)
9 PM Sunday August 25 to 6 AM Monday August 26 (9 hours)
9 PM Tuesday August 27 to 6 AM Wednesday August 28 (9 hours)
9 PM Thursday August 29 to 6 AM Friday August 30 (9 hours)

 

[Bait_Beast]

Work had me in cascade locks last week, so my co worker and I stopped by Herman Creek youth and disabled only fishing canal last week to see the fish. To my dismay, there were zero fish within the thermal sanctuary along with tangle nets within the canal itself. I reached out to Oregon Department of Fraud and Waste and never got a response- is this legal? Doesn’t feel like it is by taking opportunity away that’s been set aside for youth and disabled.

 

[Coastalhounddog]

How many people have a clue to what this means????
Deep River?


action-notice-4sep2024.pdf (wa.gov)
Non-treaty Commercial 2024 Select Area Fall Season –
Deep River Fishery Adopt the following fishing periods for Deep River: 6 PM – 9 AM Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday nights September 5 through September 13 (5 periods)
Other regulations for the currently-adopted periods, including area, mesh size, net length, etc. would be in effect.
All other previously-adopted periods and regulations for the Deep River fall-season fishery remain in effect.
FUTURE MEETINGS No Compact or Joint State hearings are scheduled at this time. The Joint Staff will monito

 

[fishin"G"man]

How many people have a clue to what this means????
Deep River?


action-notice-4sep2024.pdf (wa.gov)
Non-treaty Commercial 2024 Select Area Fall Season –
Deep River Fishery Adopt the following fishing periods for Deep River: 6 PM – 9 AM Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday nights September 5 through September 13 (5 periods)
Other regulations for the currently-adopted periods, including area, mesh size, net length, etc. would be in effect.
All other previously-adopted periods and regulations for the Deep River fall-season fishery remain in effect.
FUTURE MEETINGS No Compact or Joint State hearings are scheduled at this time. The Joint Staff will monito

Deep River hasn't been raising fish for a while. They don't care if you take "those" fish.

 

[darth baiter]

Deep River hasn't been raising fish for a while. They don't care if you take "those" fish.

WDFW released about 700k coho smolts to return this year from the Deep River net pens. Chinook releases were discontinued but releases of coho have been maintained.

 

[fishin"G"man]

WDFW released about 700k coho smolts to return this year from the Deep River net pens. Chinook releases were discontinued but releases of coho have been maintained.

Tnx I stand corrected, 'thought the hatchery was out of commission. I suppose it was the Chinook closure I'd heard about and I wasn't aware they raised coho. All Good to know.
Where do I look/find info on the hatchery? It's not listed in Pacific County hatcheries.

 

[darth baiter]

Tnx I stand corrected, 'thought the hatchery was out of commission. I suppose it was the Chinook closure I'd heard about and I wasn't aware they raised coho. All Good to know.
Where do I look/find info on the hatchery? It's not listed in Pacific County hatcheries.

There isn't a Deep River Hatchery. The sub yearlings are placed in the Deep River net pens in the fall and released in the spring. The fish are hatched and reared at Beaver Creek Hatchery on the Elochoman before being transferred to the net pens.

 

[fishin"G"man]

There isn't a Deep River Hatchery. The sub yearlings are placed in the Deep River net pens in the fall and released in the spring. The fish are hatched and reared at Beaver Creek Hatchery on the Elochoman before being transferred to the net pens.

Wow; I'm getting schooled here and it's much appreciated!! I forgot about the net pens back when I launched and boated through there. (There never was a hatchery if I recall correctly) anyway, I didn't think those net pens were used anymore. They were defunct years ago (maybe 10 now that I think of it..) All that aside....
So is that a gill net (SAFE) thing or actually a WDFW project to renew the run? Seems strange that they'd move fish from the Elochoman to Deep River then back to the Elochoman. It's relatively a short distance further up river, is there a reasoning? Where do I find info on this (to quit bugging you for answers?)

 

[darth baiter]

Wow; I'm getting schooled here and it's much appreciated!! I forgot about the net pens back when I launched and boated through there. (There never was a hatchery if I recall correctly) anyway, I didn't think those net pens were used anymore. They were defunct years ago (maybe 10 now that I think of it..) All that aside....
So is that a gill net (SAFE) thing or actually a WDFW project to renew the run? Seems strange that they'd move fish from the Elochoman to Deep River then back to the Elochoman. It's relatively a short distance further up river, is there a reasoning? Where do I find info on this (to quit bugging you for answers?)

It's a SAFE thing to provide fish for the commercials with no impact to wild stocks. Deep River is little more than a slough, nearly zero anadromous fish spawning, rearing, production potential.

 

[bonjoevi2000]

I know the nets were in last night in zones 4-5.
Does anyone know if they went in Monday night?
I looked at the counts and it seems like they were???

 

[CKthumper]

There were no nets in zones 4-5 Monday night. But, nets took over 3,000 Thursday night, which likely did cause a drop at Bonny. They likely took another 3,000 or so Tuesday night. It is also mid September, and counts will be dropping with or without nets.