[SSPey]

I scanned the link and couldn't make sense of it. Seemed like a lot of jargon. I was simply asking what you were referring to with your comment about, "..massive subsidies that keep market prices for gas and energy artificially low relative to true costs." I hear that comment quite often but have never had anyone list them. Since you used the phrase, I assume you know what they are. If you don't want to explain your comment, no problem. Just say so.

Say so what? Call it a corporate freebie instead of a subsidy. Who cares. It is a freebie. Giveaway. Most people don’t know what an externality is and trying to diminish it as “jargon” doesn’t change the facts of the matter. Artificially cheap and we’re all paying for it

 

[Hubbs]

While these sorts of debates swirl around in the US, the rest of the world has moved on. Wind and solar are by far the cheapest power sources now, much cheaper than gas or coal power. Hence almost all new power plants, worldwide, are wind or solar.

And your source for that would be?

My reading is that China is still big on coal.

 

[Don G Baldi]

To add to the discussion of ocean based windmills:

Scientists are hoping to grow coral reefs at the base of wind turbines in Taiwan

The planet's coral reefs are facing a number of challenges, including coral bleaching.

www.cnbc.com

 

[geterdone]

China is no where near mostly renewable energy.

Source: it is a .org it must be accurate

https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20almost%20two%2Dthirds,and%20nuclear%20energy%20for%2010.4%25

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[Don G Baldi]

And your source for that would be?

My reading is that China is still big on coal.

You asked:

China Is Planning 43 New Coal-Fired Power Plants. Can It Still Keep Its Promises to Cut Emissions?

China built three times more new coal power capacity as all other countries in the world combined in 2020.

time.com

 

[Tinman]

And your source for that would be?

My reading is that China is still big on coal.

Here are a few sources. The first is an article in the UK Guardian newspaper titled "Celebrating 30 years of Offshore Wind Generation. This illustrates my point that the US is way behind. Offshore wind has been around for 30 years in Europe, and the US has zero installed.

Winds of change: celebrating 30 years of offshore wind energy

Here’s how this technology has evolved – and what the future may hold

www.theguardian.com

Here's a piece in The Independent that shows the countries that generate the largest percentage of their power with wind. The US doesn't even maket the top 15. Denmark is first, then a bunch of countries in western Europe.

UK sixth in world for wind and solar electricity generation

US and China are biggest global renewable energy producers, but fossil fuels still make up the vast majority of what they use

www.independent.co.uk

Regarding China, here's a source that says China has by far the most wind power in terms of total capacity. China has twice as much wind power as the US.

Wind Power by Country 2022

And finally a piece citing the International Renewable Energy Agency report that renewables accounted for 81% of global power capacity additions in 2021

Renewables made up 81% of global capacity power additions in 2021, says IRENA

KUALA LUMPUR (April 14): Renewables ended 2021 accounting for 38% of total power plant on the planet, making up an “unprecedented” 81% of global capacity additions, and adding some 257GW of new clean energy production worldwide,Renewable energy continued to grow and gain momentum despite global...

www.theedgemarkets.com

My point is that business leaders in the rest of the world long ago decided to invest in wind and solar because that's how they could make the most money. That's true in all sorts of governments ranging from Europe to China to India and Latin America. It's not about subsidies, it's about profit.

Speculation on what offshore wind "might be like" is strictly a US oddity. In Europe they've already been doing it for 30 years.

 

[Bowen1911]

We could just go back to horse and buggy on land, sail power on water, and forget about flight.
It’s coming…

 

[jimsbuddy]

Did anyone see what is being proposed off our southern coast? Good bye to the tuna ground in Southern Oregon. Public comment is open,

hmmm we can push our Green Ideology, and get save the fish.. great plan guys, lets do it...
Wait, first we have a gorge, well not quite the gorge but Eastern Oregon pushing up Windmills like Dandelions in my neighbors yard, now they want them all over the southern coast line. When will it stop?

 

[Don G Baldi]

hmmm we can push our Green Ideology, and get save the fish.. great plan guys, lets do it...
Wait, first we have a gorge, well not quite the gorge but Eastern Oregon pushing up Windmills like Dandelions in my neighbors yard, now they want them all over the southern coast line. When will it stop?

When you unplug your EV and reduce demand?

 

[Snopro]

and forget about flight.

No way... coal fired hot air balloons.

 

[deepsix]

Nobody has ever been killed by Nuke "disasters", said the troll, about 2 bottles of Vodka into a typical evening.

This lie is easily disproven. 3 died right here in Arco Idaho in the Inel test facility at a place that is now a fenced mile square parking lot, SL1. About 30 died of extreme radiation exposure at Chernobyl. They had to invent a new level of nuclear disaster (level seven) because of Chernobyl. The russian Navy has been killing submarine sailors for years with radiation.

There are many more well documented disasters and I won't bother listing them because google does it for free. Let me know when you figure out how to fry up that nuclear waste and make it taste like catfish. Emmm kay?

Don't feed the trolls.

I like the 'far out ' idea of launching rocket loads of nuclear waste into the sun. What could go wrong!

 

[Erik the Knothead]

This is a legal paper discussing some aspects of restricting access around offshore wind turbines, primarily the Block Island development. See https://docs.rwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1100&context=law_ma_seagrant

And since people where discussing nuclear power I'll throw in a link to NuScale Power, which is designing modular nuclear plants right here in Corvallis. See NuScale Power | SMR Nuclear Technology
I got to tour their control room training facility and listen to their pitch. It was very interesting.

 

[messmaker]

And you forgot to mention...
9--The burning of fossil fuels whish releases vast amounts of carbon dioxide into our atmosphere, creating extreme weather events (flooding, drought, melting of polar ice, etc.) which in turn creates billions of dollars of damage = OK
10--Not burning fossil fuels by generating renewable energy (which also creates jobs) = Bad

That whole lis was pretty disingenuous and virtue signaling.

Why do you suppose the Sierra club got behind all the natural gas plants in the 90’s and early 20’s. They are extremely efficient and don’t have near the carbon footprint and cost to maintain that wind and solar does. Read real reports and you find the biggest problem with carbon footprint is everyone vehicles and international polluters. Get China and India on board not kill our country to get that last tiny bit of carbon out of what we produce. Buy American, support not having massive ships that burn extremely crude fuel ship all items across the globe.
As someone who has worked in both wind energy and natural gas plants, there are lots of smoke and mirrors around green energy. I believe wind and solar have a place but most assuredly they are not the only answer or even close to the final answer.

Carbon is far less of the problem, last I checked the world has its own means of reclaiming carbon. Look up plastics in the ocean, or the problem with batteries when they are no good any more. How about all the mining to get batteries.

Everything has a cost! There are no free rides in our world of convenience and comfort. As for me I really don’t care about off shore wind but they don’t own the ocean and a one mile radius to not fish within is crazy. They need to be self sustaining as far as tax incentives and people need to wake up that green energy is not near as green and they lead on, and definitely not the sole answer.

As far as the nuclear part of the list, give me a break. Smart enegineering and smart placement of plants is key. Lots of new tech between when those nuclear plants were built till now. To equate that every nuclear plant is Fukushima or Chernoble is fear mongering at best.

Try doing real research and read real studies instead of being told what to think about these issues.

 

[luk diver]

Definitely the windmills in Northern California would be anchored. I was member of Piledrivers Union #34 for 30yrs and talked to agent and he said they need to put in dock facilities and grid upgrade, so I'd guess won't actually kickoff for several years. Considering the anchor chains there would be some restrictions on trolling closeby?

 

[JerryM]

Much of the regional need for power and water could be solved simply by more dam work on the Columbia but that’s not popular on here.

 

[Bernie Slade]

I stand corrected. In post #56 I misstated that "No one has been killed in a Nuclear energy production disaster". Should have been more specific: "No one has ever been killed in a Nuclear energy production disaster in the USA". But thanks for reinforcing the extraordinary safety record of Nuclear energy production globally.

 

[Bowen1911]

I wonder how many people here actually work in an energy field. Selling solar door to door doesn’t count.
The solution to energy is to use less of it. If the regulations coming our way don’t make you, either the rising costs or WW3 will make you

 

[scook4337]

I wonder how many people here actually work in an energy field. Selling solar door to door doesn’t count.
The solution to energy is to use less of it. If the regulations coming our way don’t make you, either the rising costs or WW3 will make you

I work in the utility industry and have found scanning these responses as hmm, not sure what to say.

 

[SSPey]

California just ran on 100% renewable energy, but fossil fuels aren't fading away yet

California broke its record for renewable energy when solar and wind provided enough to meet all consumer demand. At the time, natural gas power plants were still on, a necessity for the grid.

www.npr.org

 

[Don G Baldi]

California just ran on 100% renewable energy, but fossil fuels aren't fading away yet

California broke its record for renewable energy when solar and wind provided enough to meet all consumer demand. At the time, natural gas power plants were still on, a necessity for the grid.

www.npr.org

"On a mild Sunday afternoon, California set a historic milestone in the quest for clean energy. The sun was shining, the wind was blowing and on May 8th, the state produced enough renewable electricity to meet 103% of consumer demand. "

Now let's see it go for more than a couple hours on a mild weather day when demand is low. The article said they were building battery banks for storage so they can shut down their fossil fuel plants when the sun goes down. I'd suggest ESS Tech for that. Give the share price a boost.