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The article in the Oregonian this morning says the natives are selling fresh salmon at Cascade Locks to the public for $3.00/lb. Then they state the natives are leaving the gill nets in over night? YUCK, with the temps in the high 60s that's gonna make for some mighty soft salmon. Maybe you would prefer to save the 50 cents a pound and buy a fish that hadn't been bled or gutted for 8 to 12 hours.

I can't belive what some people are willing to eat.

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People that BUY salmon can't be expected to know the difference.

Sure wish the news media could tune in to the "incidental" catch of endangered/threatened fish.

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[ 07-17-2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: FEAR NO FISH! ]
 

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Thats bad FNF :wink: I wonder how many wild steelhead end up in those nets :hoboy:
 

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Originally posted by 5-Cents:
Thats bad FNF :wink: I wonder how many wild steelhead end up in those nets :hoboy:
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Apperantley it doesn't matter.. Last week a guy caught a Native steelie at Cascade Locks, it took a spinner too deep and didn't swim off too well... So an Indian netted it and sold it back to the guy for a dollar!
 

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:hoboy: :hoboy: :hoboy:
 

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I don't know what the Wa. boat registration stickers look like, but it looked to me like the year on the sticker said '94. Do native boats need licenses??
 

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. From what I understand, no. They do not have to have numbers on thier boats.
 

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I, too, have witnessed the way that these fish are "cared for" and have elected not to buy any.

As far as the reguations, or lack of regulations, for Tribal fishing: We have no influence on the court's ruling. What is allowable for them is not allowable for us, and that is the way it is.

It serves no purpose to get riled up over something we cannot control or even influence. The best we can do is support fish, especially wild fish, any way we can and hope that the numbers improve to the point that the Tribal take is inconsequential.

Let's not make this a "slam the Tribal fishermen" thread.
 

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If you don't like Indian (they're no more "native" than the rest of us :wink: ) gillnetters, don't buy their fish.

Today, Safeway in Junction City has salmon for 88 cents/pound! They're pink salmon...but still, for the money, you can't beat it. The fish are gutted, w/o heads, individually packaged in plastic bags and don't appear to have been frozen. I got a small one for $2.36 and cut it up into about a dozen small steaks. I've eaten pink salmon before and recall its not bad at all. Will reconfirm later this evening. :cool:

Edit: It was good...well worth 88 cents/lb. :cool:

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i normally dont get involved in these more political topics but i'm going to make an exception here. fishbait is correct. the native american's hatchery program has its collective stuff together. while the federal government is cutting costs and closing hatcheries the native american hatcheries are well managed and thriving.
 

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Originally posted by h20dog:
while the federal government is cutting costs and closing hatcheries the native american hatcheries are well managed and thriving.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Where do the Indian tribes get the money to run their hatcheries? And how do you define "thriving"? What is their (our) cost per fish? Why won't the Indians finclip their hatchery fish? Etc. :whazzup:
 

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On the klickitat you can by fresh eggs.. just go up and ask them to net a hen for you.. it takes 5 minutes... and the bonk and gut it, rip the eggs out and hand them to you! for the right deal, and its not necessarley cash!
 

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Two years ago my wife and I were camping at Cascade Locks KOA and decided to take a walk on the waterfront. An indian was removing his catch from the day as we were walking by and I watched him toss back three wild springers because they rotted in his boat. I vented a few choice words for him and asked why he does this if he's wasting a resource. His only answer was "because I can" and smiled back at me with half his teeth. If it wasn't for my wife he would've lost the rest of them. This was also the time when no one else could fish because of low returns of wild fish. Makes sense doesn't it.
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No politician will touch the subject because they could be labeled as racist or scorned by others in office for pushing down the natives. There's big money in this stuff and they'll call you whatever it takes to retain thier free and government subsidized living. How about that gambling thing while we're at it?? Just kidding, I actually have some indian blood in me (who doesn't nowadays) but I'm more apalled to say that every day seeing and hearing about what they do on a day to day basis. Basically if you had a life supported by government funds, no taxes, no fishing or hunting regulations, casino's, free medical benefits, and thousands of acres of land given to you cause great great grandaddy slept there for a winter wouldn't you try like hell to keep onto that?

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If I remember right a number of years ago the government would not let the indians gillnet salmon, but would let them gillnet walleye, now i don't care what anyone says, they have no right to the walleye, there was not any walleye in the columbia river when the indians use dipnet the salmon. I too have witnessed first hand at the wastefulness of some individuals. Then they use the line that they use the salmon to appease their sacred rituals. Don't think so.....they let the salmon rot. Times have changed, the old ways are broke and need to be fixed, but no one wants to step up to the plate and fix it.

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Lets cut them some slack, this was all their land, remember, our ancestors stole it from them. Sure, there are some slobs out there posing asd natives, just asd there are slobs posing as other skinned fishermen...I will buy their fish if its at a good price, and well taken care of. Be nice :grin:
 

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is it a need for so many so called upstanding fisherpeople to go off on the native netters,ya some dont ice the fish within 5 min of boating. but i have seen many a white boy drag his trophy all day beside his boat and smile when he goes on his way fishing up a storm. is it lack of understanding or plain dumb that gets this kind of responce if you dont like the way that the fish looks or feel it past it prime put your hands in your pocket and hit the road that is your right just as trying to sell the fish is his right. afterall this is the frist year in 25 that summer run have been netable :blush:


shut up and fish
 

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Let them have all they can catch with native techniques and gear.....which excludes nylon, metal hooks, motorized boats, etc....you get the picture.
 

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Among those who choose to ignore the rules and regulations of hunting and fishing, be they established by government or a natural sense of ethics and responsibility, Native Americans may very well be in the minority. One only has to read the newspaper to learn that perpetrators represent many ethnicities.
As for selling poor quality fish, I have seen plenty of rotten fish for sale at Safeway and Fred Meyers over the years.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Originally posted by wetonwhite:
is it a need for so many so called upstanding fisherpeople to go off on the native netters,ya some dont ice the fish within 5 min of boating. but i have seen many a white boy drag his trophy all day beside his boat and smile when he goes on his way fishing up a storm. is it lack of understanding or plain dumb that gets this kind of responce if you dont like the way that the fish looks or feel it past it prime put your hands in your pocket and hit the road that is your right just as trying to sell the fish is his right. afterall this is the frist year in 25 that summer run have been netable :blush:


shut up and fish
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I respectfully point out that the non-"native" will be eating his own catch, and will be the bear the brunt of his own poor fish-handling techniques. The "native" who treats that fish poorly will end up selling that fish to some unsuspecting person who incorrectly assumes that the fish was handled with some resemblance of safety standards.
 
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