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#1 · (Edited)
... the next step in the evolution of salmon trolling Team eyeFISH style...


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#2 ·
ok I understand the concept , and I like it, anything we can do in this world of barbless stupidity....

but is that particular fish not foul hooked... by legal definition?
is that hook not 100% entering and exiting outside the mouth?
I like your method... but how is that legal?
am I not seeing that right...
yes I know some want to say i am stirring the pot, but that pic to me shows a foul hook, explain to me why it is not?
thanks
 
#4 ·
plumberfishes said:
ok I understand the concept , and I like it, anything we can do in this world of barbless stupidity....



but is that particular fish not foul hooked... by legal definition?

is that hook not 100% entering and exiting outside the mouth?

I like your method... but how is that legal?

am I not seeing that right...

yes I know some want to say i am stirring the pot, but that pic to me shows a foul hook, explain to me why it is not?

thanks
Click to expand...

Washington rules are different then oregon


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#7 ·
Doc, could you re-post the link for how to setup hangback?

We also had zero bleeders this year using Rhys Davis Anchovy Special Heads with a trailing circle stinger. In fact all of our initial hookups were on the circle stinger with approximately 80% of the hookups having the treble that goes in the body of the bait to help get the bend buried in the gill plate (probably from when the fish turned away during the fight).
 
#9 ·
Eyefish, you have to be pretty patient with the circle hook? Let them really bury the rod? Seems to me that would be the case as I have never fished them for salmon, but live bait for Redfish. In those cases we always needed to really wait it out.

What has your experience been?
 
#17 ·
Any time we use more than one hook, trolling herring is but one example, the odds go up as to where any of them end up in the fish. Snagging is a fishing method that involves the intent to hook fish that have not actively chased the "bait." Either method runs the possibility that hooks will end up somewhere that wasn't intended. While one method is or should be highly illegal, the other is not or shouldn't be.

I gotta ask those who constantly argue that both are illegal, do you think LEO's really care? Have you ever had your fish checked for "illegal" hook placement at B-10 or any other port along the coast where multiple hooks are commonly used? The law is enforced around the word, "intent." Get off your high horses and use a little common sense. The perfect world you preach is just not that perfect.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Someone flossing and snagging is pretty apparent from how they are fishing. To employ either of these methods there are certain techniques during the actual action of fishing. One does not passively snag or floss a fish. It is an active skill that any trained Leo should be able to identify.

That is why I feel Washington has a better definition for legal hook placement then Oregon. I have hooked plenty of salmon and steelhead using lures and the hook is rarely inside going out. Most trebles will be outside going in. Which even includes tossing spinners for trout.


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#20 ·
What yousay is true, but the rule says you can't tag that fish anyway, in WA, if the anti-snagging rule is in effect. Intent or not, with the anti-snagging rule it makes no difference.
I've seen a fish actually strike and hooked it in
the top of the nose, the anti-snagging rule is


clear about this.
 
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#23 ·
You guys sticking clear to the letter of the law: What do you do when you catch a fish on a Kwik and the FIRST hook is inside out, but the rear hook is pinned in the face? Or sewing the mouth shut from the outside in? I've landed fish where the trailing hook was threaded through inside out, THEN stuck in the face somewhere, while one of the top two hooks is in the gill plate or elsewhere on the outside....

Do you really release that fish that obviously annihilated your offering?
 
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#24 ·
The anti snagging rule does not contain any language about hook placement on a fish. Page 16 states that a fish must be hooked inside the mouth OR forward of the rear margin of the gill plate.

The examples you gave would be a legally caught fish.


I know of at least one river that used to require fish to be hooked inside the mouth. This regulation was vague and did not state whether the hook had to be from inside of the mouth to outside.
 
#85 ·
Yep... that’s how it’s intended to work for willful biters in WA

Think about this. Why on God’s green earth would I... or ANYONE else for that matter... use a GD circle hook if I was actually trying to snag a fish?

Here’s your sign...
 
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#34 ·
I believe the initial question was never answered and if that could get an answer it may help clear this up. In the fist pic of the first fish; are there hooks in the fish's mouth that we cant see? Personally, I don't care but this thread is getting hijacked by a debate that should become a different thread. it looks like a good hookup to me...If the question was answered and i missed it my apologies
 
#47 ·
No hooks INSIDE the mouth... that's the whole friggin point! To keep the hook from ever entering the mouth where it might encounter vital structures that would result in a mortal hooking wound.

So far the hangback circle scores 100% by that metric
 
#41 ·
Its funny around here every one says a circle won't work, on the east coast they don't understand why we don't use circles :shrug:

I wanted to use them for springers to reduce smolting. Was watching my herring turn and just before I started letting it out a smolt came in for a close up look and the regular hook smacked it in the back - smolted.

I have some in the box I'll have to start tying them up more often.
 
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