[DogZilla15]

Fair Chase. The best explanation I can come up with is the muzzle velocity is pretty lame @ 2700 fps. It is not a long range cartridge by any stretch of the imagination. Trajectory and energy both suffer. Modern optics had a hand in this as well. I had a real nice Remington 721 that shot one hole groups but after a disappointing experience dispatching a spike bull one day at point blank range, I knew the ‘06 wasn’t an elk cartridge and .30 cal. was just too big for deer. Always had a dream of having a .257 anyhow so that spelled doom as far as I was concerned. Found a nice 721 in .300 H&H and that became my elk rifle. I like bullets that leave a nice exit wound and this cartridge did the job. I did bag my first bull and a few bucks with a Rem. 760 in .30-‘06. That rifle wasn’t exactly a tack driver with 6 to 8 inch groups. Bad barrel due to neglect on my father’s part.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Pictures of the wound works for varmint bullets. If ungulates are the target I want to see the bullet.

That doesn't make any sense, but okay

 

[DogZilla15]

With the exception of full frontal shot where the bullet ends up somewhere in the rear portion of the animal, I never want to find bullets. Several things can affect penetration either too much or too little besides bullet construction. Low impact velocity can prevent a bullet from opening properly and pass completely through an animal with insufficient damage which gives the shooter the illusion everything worked perfectly when it did not. High weight retention which helps a bullet maintain velocity against resistance is no good if it doesn’t expand. Bullet expansion is key to quick kills no matter what the velocity… to a point. Bullets that start out fat, (.35 and up) have a distinct advantage over skinny bullets at lower velocities. The big thump from a flat nose bullet (think .30-30, .35 Remington) kills pretty darn good even on elk size critters. I don’t think some folks put enough thought into bullets and cartridges when it comes to big game hunting.

 

[baltz526]

bullet choice is more important than cartridge's. a 150gr. .308 bullet will work in any 308 case if you shoot deer. of course there are exceptions. but a 30-30 150gr sp factory load is a great killer. a 300 rem ultra mag may be better with a 150gr copper bthp.

 

[JeffP_Or]

My M70 25-06 doesn’t like anything over 100 gr bullet. I’ve tried to get 117-120 to group well but no matter what I do the 100gr out performs every time, it’s a barrel twist thing. Not saying I won’t hunt with heavier bullets, I have a lot, they just don’t group as well.
Green box 100 gr Core-Lokt are absolute tack drivers.

Interesting to hear. I think too mine deals with slower speeds a bit better - it seems to wander bullets of different weight more when they get going faster than 3100fps; but then again, most at those speeds are lighter projectiles too so maybe just the same dealio.

 

[shorthair]

.45-120 with paper patched at 2500 fps works pretty good on most critters with hooves.

 

[William Ritchie]

These are not anywhere close to 2500 FPS but performance of old cartridges cant be discounted View attachment 1075269

View attachment 1075269 .45-120 with paper patched at 2500 fps works pretty good on most critters with hooves.

 

[444Marlin]

I was just reading Forty Years with the 45-70 by Paul Matthews the other night. He was a big fan of paper patched loads for the 45-70. My problem is that I read that book and I think all I want and need is a single shot 45-70...and next I'm reading something that makes me think the only thing I want and need is a light weight quarter-bore.

 

[pharmseller]

What ever happened to the good 'ol 30-06 and 180gr. Core-Lokts? 🤷

The deadliest mushroom in the woods. 😉

Waaaay more than you need.

 

[Fair Chase]

Waaaay more than you need.

So not enough for elk, but too much for deer. Okay. Garbage gun. Got it. 😏🥴😉

 

[William Ritchie]

I appreciate your note of sarcasm , The old 06 has slayed countless game animals . No need to worry about an update to your inventory . 130 years of advocacy is PROBABLY NOT wrong . other than a M1 Garand and an 03a3 Springfield I only have a Ruger #1 B in 06 that I purchased in the late 70s early 80s . Fine shooter with 165 grain loads for anything I have even contemplating using on . Cool thread WR

 

[T-Bone082170]

Waaaay more than you need.

Perhaps, I’ve never been able to try heart….😳

 

[Desert Bighorn]

I was just reading Forty Years with the 45-70 by Paul Matthews the other night. He was a big fan of paper patched loads for the 45-70. My problem is that I read that book and I think all I want and need is a single shot 45-70...and next I'm reading something that makes me think the only thing I want and need is a light weight quarter-bore.

Somehow over way too many decades, cartridges and rifles, I have missed owning the one cartridge i would now consider as the best choice for a "one and only" especially with the bullet upgrade of using Barnes and Lapua bullets.

And that is the 7mm-08

 

[444Marlin]

Somehow over way too many decades, cartridges and rifles, I have missed owning the one cartridge i would now consider as the best choice for a "one and only" especially with the bullet upgrade of using Barnes and Lapua bullets.

And that is the 7mm-08

I think you mean the 7x57. 😁 Nosler makes a 140 gn copper expansion tip that shoots well in my No 1.

 

[pharmseller]

So not enough for elk, but too much for deer. Okay. Garbage gun. Got it. 😏🥴😉

Crikies, who says not enough for elk? More than you need for elk, too.

 

[Desert Bighorn]

I think you mean the 7x57. 😁 Nosler makes a 140 gn copper expansion tip that shoots well in my No 1.

No, not the 7x57, but the 7mm-08. I have had two 7x57's, One 280 and a 280 AI. What I have missed is the 7mm-08.
The 308 case is so efficient. The 7mm-08 operates with much higher pressure, is really accurate and uses a medium length action. For so many decades I was hooked on vintage calibers/rifles.
All that changed when I bought a nearly new Synthetic Stainless Sako 75 Finnlight carbine in 308 and saw the amazing performance it was capable of with the Camp Perry powder designed just for the 308.

 

[pharmseller]

7mm-08 is for women and kids.

 

[Desert Bighorn]

7mm-08 is for women and kids.

what would suggest now after being Mr 7mm-08 for so long

 

[pharmseller]

375 H&H

 

[derrick454@]

7mm-08 is for women and kids.

lol. So is my 6.5 prc and 6.5 needmore but I don’t care. My macho days are over.