[Yamhillbilly]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

nice info alan, I have had all my newer ambassaduers retrofitted with the old stlye anti reverse dogs, they newer ones would start failing with in 2-3 seasons of moderate to heavy use. The chance to improve the drags has me fired up i would rather let the drag do more work and let my thumb heal up

 

[Yamhillbilly]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

light rods, light line, smooooooth drag sounds like steelheadin to me

 

[Lucky 13]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

Thanks for the excellent post!!

 

[Lucky 13]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

TTT

 

[Chetco River]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

Great Post Thanks

 

[alantani]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

nice info alan, I have had all my newer ambassaduers retrofitted with the old stlye anti reverse dogs, they newer ones would start failing with in 2-3 seasons of moderate to heavy use. The chance to improve the drags has me fired up i would rather let the drag do more work and let my thumb heal up

funny you mention that. shimano had the same problem with their calcutta line of reels. they had an anti-reverse roller bearing as their only anti-reverse mechanism. lots of guys got their knuckles banged when the roller bearing failed.

the new calcutta reels all have a dog in addition to an anti-reverse roller bearing. very nice reels. i just bought a calcutta 300 and love it. well, i do now after dumping the dartanium drags in favor of penn ht-100 drag washers and shimano drag grease.

 

[Mark Mc]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

Hi Alan, so I see you "strayed" here from Coastside / Fullspeed. Do you have any connections in the NW?

I go by the same name on Coastside, but you'll have to guess my name on Fullspeed :grin:.

Come on up & visit sometime, esp. if you forget what an albacore looks like.

See Ya,

Mark

 

[bluehewes]

Re: carbontex upgrade for the 5 and 6 series abass

Awesome post! :cheers:

 

[KChookem]

When this thread has run its course, I suggest it be given permanent status in the "Tech Tips and Keepers" forum. I believe this will enhance at least one other thread there.

 

[Lucky 13]

Couldn't agree more with KChookem! Let's put this somewhere that we will be able to use it again and again. (The only problem is that the pictures don't save, and that is the best part of the post.)

 

[Starfish]

I have a question on grease. How important is it to use Shimano drag grease? What would happen if you used Quantum reel grease on the drags?

 

[alantani]

my answer would be "i think it's critical" and "i don't know for sure but i believe the drags would seize immediately."

i'm really not sure why it works the way it does. teflon grease, either cal's or shimano's, keeps these carbon fiber drags smooth forever. my penn 113h's are still good after 8 years. on the flip side, i've seen hundreds of drag washers that have seized up after being fouled with wd-40, reel magic, corrosion x and any one of a dozen hydrocarbon greases.

understand, gentlemen, i'm a pharmacist, not a polymer chemist. this is what i know about teflon grease. you start with a liquid fluoropolymer (liquid Teflon) such as a perfluoropoly ether. to thicken it up, you add varying amounts of PTFE (poly tetrafluoro ethylene). this will give you the desired viscosity. their melting point is 650 degrees, but it has no flash point. since there are no carbon-hydrogen bonds, these compounds will not burn. i think that's what makes this grease ideal for drag washers. there is none of the physical or chemical breakdown that you would find with petroleum grease. in short, teflon grease doesn't burn.

um, it's also $5 an ounce! :hoboy:

 

[Lucky 13]

Where can I find the Shimano or Cal's grease?

 

[alantani]

the shimano service center can ship some to you. local tackle shops that carry shimano reels can order the grease for you. for the drag grease, do a google search for smoothdrag.com. e-mail me it you're still having problems. thanks! alan

 

[Lucky 13]

Just got my new washers in the mail and can't wait to install them. Thanks for all the help and pictures!

 

[FastAction]

I am about to do 10 reels and talking with Ollies they said do not grease the carbonteks and they will become Jerk-ee.

Mikes in Newberg suggest light greas on the washers.

What do I do?:smash:

 

[Hanapa'a Time]

Grease them.

All my Avets, Calcuttas and Tekotas have greased drags, several Yellowtail, dorado, tuna, sturgeon, lings and fall nooks have fallen to these reels this season. Drags are still smoooooth and strong, even after fresh and/or saltwater baths.

 

[FastAction]

just picked up my carbontex at Ollies, once agian they stressed to NOT grease the drag washers.. Something to the fact that the Shimano Systems get greased and garcia systems are a "Dry System". His response was "Whould you grease your disc brakes on your car?"

Mine are going in Dry!:smash:

 

[dog]

I did 11 of the (4)5501,(5)6501, and (1) 7000 this summer in prep for Buoy 10.
They worked great at Buoy 10. I put them in DRY at the insistence of the people I bought them from to not use grease on the ABUs. How would they work with Grease? I don't know but I know they were awesome without. I also have no idea about how long they will last dry versus greased either.

 

[Hanapa'a Time]

"Whould you grease your disc brakes on your car?"

That saying has been used on several boards in the grease vs non-grease drag washer debate. Not a very good analogy, in several aspects. I will not get into a debate over this.

Accurate, Diawa, Newell, Penn, Shimano and several other well respected manufactures use greased drag washers for a reason.

I owned ABU's and got tired of having to replace the drags every season.