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I don't know of anyone fishing Bouy 10 now, much less a month ago.
 

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I don't know of anyone fishing Bouy 10 now, much less a month ago.
Sorry, I forgot what month it is - I meant August 9&10. And I ask if there is any disruption due to the exclusion zone around naval vessels. I have never had any fishing disrupted due to the passage of a naval vessel or a cruise ship. Both of these type of craft have an exclusion zone identical to that of an LNG tanker. If cruise ships and naval vessels do not disrupt Buoy 10 fishing today, it is doubtful that LNG tankers will in the future.

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Sorry, I forgot what month it is - I meant August 9&10. And I ask if there is any disruption due to the exclusion zone around naval vessels. I have never had any fishing disrupted due to the passage of a naval vessel or a cruise ship. Both of these type of craft have an exclusion zone identical to that of an LNG tanker. If cruise ships and naval vessels do not disrupt Buoy 10 fishing today, it is doubtful that LNG tankers will in the future.

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LNG tanker exclusion zone is as follows:

2 miles ahead
1 mile aft
500 yards both sides
30 ft above

That would take up the entire lower river, plus taking more than the channel is wide.
The difference being, US warships can defend them selfs, LNG tanker can not.
Saying these tankers arriving 4 times a week would not disrupt lower river boat traffic is ridiculous.
 

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LNG tanker exclusion zone is as follows:

The difference being, US warships can defend them selfs, LNG tanker can not.
Saying these tankers arriving 4 times a week would not disrupt lower river boat traffic is ridiculous.
We have had up tp 5 cruise ships entering the lower river a week with no disruption to fishing. But, somehow the LNG tankers will "close the river down". The fishing on the lower river has not been disrupted by military vessels or cruise ships and it is doubtful that X number of LNG tankers would be disruptive. What defenses do cruise ships have?

I was just curious if anyone boating on the Columbia has had any of their fishing disrupted by a military vessel or a cruise ship - I never have and it appears that no one else has either. The WHAT IS situation we have today with vessels having a similar exclusion zone will be similar to WHAT WILL BE with the LNG tankers.

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We have had up tp 5 cruise ships entering the lower river a week with no disruption to fishing. But, somehow the LNG tankers will "close the river down". The fishing on the lower river has not been disrupted by military vessels or cruise ships and it is doubtful that X number of LNG tankers would be disruptive. What defenses do cruise ships have?

I was just curious if anyone boating on the Columbia has had any of their fishing disrupted by a military vessel or a cruise ship - I never have and it appears that no one else has either. The WHAT IS situation we have today with vessels having a similar exclusion zone will be similar to WHAT WILL BE with the LNG tankers.

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I can't find the exact exclusion zones for cruise ships, I would doubt they are as strict as the LNG ones, cruise ships can't explode and kill people 2 miles away.
Even the military zones are less than the LNG tankers, that should tell you something right there.
 

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In 2002 during a coho bite by the Astoria bridge after the whole homeland security plan was created I and others were asked to leave an area that would be considered an "exclusion" zone for a cruise ship that was coming in. The Coast Guard and the County Marine Patrol were escorting people out of the zone. So it can happen but in the past few years it seems to have become a lttle more lax. :shrug:


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Launched out of Illwaco to ocean fish yesterday AM. Did not see cruise ships or escorts.
Looked all over the river from Tongue Point to Illwaco and did not see one sport boat fishing in river.
No one to disrupt. Folks just aren't into salmon catch and release and silvers aren't here yet.
 

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I have definitely been impacted for both work and pleasure, but in the Willamette. Now during Rose Festival you have to be escorted through downtown by guys with big guns when you try to boat through. They don't care if you are working or not.
 

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I found the exclusion zones for LNG tankers, which are severe, but could not find them for military or cruise ships.
I'm thinking they are not the same.
I also found that LNG tankers and terminals, are considered high risk terrorist targets of opportunity.
 
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