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I enjoyed and learned many lessons reading about all the boat builds in the last six months, so I thank you for your posts.

Now it’s my turn to share. I’m upgrading my 2101WA Seaswirl Striper which has served me well chasing tuna for the last 14 years. Wayne from JAMA Boats will build my first new boat. It will be a 34 x 12 full walk around pilot house. The pilot house will have SHOXS seats, two benches which will comfortably seat six and FURNO electronics. I will power it with twin Suzuki DF300B’s w/ duo-props. I’ve dreamed for many years to be fortunate enough to build exactly what I want.

Hope not to bore you guys durning this journey. I attached some pics of the lower hull being pulled up. I will continue to share until she’s done



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More aluminum ****!!! Yay. Amazing how much prep and planning work can go into customizing one’s build. Soooo many little details to make sure about, and get down on paper!
 

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Congrats !,,,, build your dream. should be quite the walk around given that beam.....wow
 

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Go Big or go home, Looks like your going big!! love it
 

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I’ll be interested to follow this! Were designs for this purchased or is it something Wayne dreamt up? I don’t recall ever seeing something that wide for its length.

It seems like two engines would do it, but with its width, will the bracket be built to accommodate a third if needed?

You cannot beat 360° of rail for fishing tuna. Or halibut. Or bottom fish. Or salmon. That thing is going to be some kind of fishing machine!
 

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I’ll be interested to follow this! Were designs for this purchased or is it something Wayne dreamt up? I don’t recall ever seeing something that wide for its length.

It seems like two engines would do it, but with its width, will the bracket be built to accommodate a third if needed?

You cannot beat 360° of rail for fishing tuna. Or halibut. Or bottom fish. Or salmon. That thing is going to be some kind of fishing machine!
A buddy of mine I haven't seen in a long time built a 32x17 for commercial fishing Alaska. He said one of the fisheries has a length restriction. The thing looked. Little funny ..Like snub nosed!
 

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Excited for you Andy. Looks like you have a little shorter wait time with several guys welding on it. I will pass on whatever I learn about the DF300B engine as I get used to ours. 1st thing I learned is, it's a computer with props. You will have to get it 'programmed' before the props will turn.

X2 on the concept drawings.
 

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I need to figure out how to post pics without doubling up when I post...sorry for that.

I do not have any drawings I can share at this time. I'm going to keep the finished product a surprise. Wayne from JAMA has been wanting to build this boat for a long time, and it is being built completely from scratch. If I were to compare the hull to anything, it would be a combination between a Stabicraft and Coldwater. Wayne did build templates before the 1/4 inch was cut. The first pictures I posted is the lower hull. There will be an additional hull stacked on top of the lower hull before the sides are pulled up. The bottom width is 10 feet at the stern with a 14 degree deadrise, with six inch chines. The delta pad will start just a few feet aft of center,. The length with the offshore bracket is 36 feet.

The concept of this hull design will allow for stability, quick hole shot, and comfortable ride in snotty seas. The cabin will be seven feet tall, seven feet wide and about 12 feet long. The cockpit will be just shy of 12 x 10...lots of room to dance. I am building it specifically for fishing. No need for a galley (Grill will work just fine if I want to cook), berth, or dining area. I will have multiple raw water wash-downs to clean the blood off my boat, 33 rod holders, outriggers, and lots of fishing room. My primary need for this boat was safety, reliability and fishability. I figure installing fancy accessories that don't help catch fish in a boat gives you more opportunity for issues.

It is mind boggling how much is involved with a boat build. I spent countless hours over the last year planning this build. I am very fortunate to have found a builder that is open to collaboration and allowing me to be onsite during the process.

I will post more pics in the next few days.
 

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We are not really building a boat like the Tolman guys, just outfitting one. SO many decisions you can make and possibly make wrong. All that stuff you did not like about the other boats you bought is now on you to change. Nothing like a little pressure to focus your attention. I listened to my very experienced boat builder and totally enjoyed collaborating with him. I disagreed with him occasionally, changed his mind about some stuff even less often and learned as much as I could.

As my friend 'Puffin' says I am somewhat biased about that boat yard where we had boats built.

I had much less access to the designers of the Los Angeles class submarine I watched the EB yard build. The experience was similar in some respects. You get to see things no one else will see. You will understand the deck you are standing on like no other boat you have ever been on. Knowledge is power.

"It is mind boggling how much is involved with a boat build."

Can I get an AMEN?
 

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many hundreds of things to think thru, priotize, etc.....i think keeping mission in focus is critical, especially as others weigh in with unlimited imaginary internet €£¥ and $$$$. For a day boat, i laud your sensibility. i find myself chasing simplicity, maybe i am just old....

enjoy, have fun....
 

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I need to figure out how to post pics without doubling up when I post...sorry for that.

I do not have any drawings I can share at this time. I'm going to keep the finished product a surprise. Wayne from JAMA has been wanting to build this boat for a long time, and it is being built completely from scratch. If I were to compare the hull to anything, it would be a combination between a Stabicraft and Coldwater. Wayne did build templates before the 1/4 inch was cut. The first pictures I posted is the lower hull. There will be an additional hull stacked on top of the lower hull before the sides are pulled up. The bottom width is 10 feet at the stern with a 14 degree deadrise, with six inch chines. The delta pad will start just a few feet aft of center,. The length with the offshore bracket is 36 feet.

The concept of this hull design will allow for stability, quick hole shot, and comfortable ride in snotty seas. The cabin will be seven feet tall, seven feet wide and about 12 feet long. The cockpit will be just shy of 12 x 10...lots of room to dance. I am building it specifically for fishing. No need for a galley (Grill will work just fine if I want to cook), berth, or dining area. I will have multiple raw water wash-downs to clean the blood off my boat, 33 rod holders, outriggers, and lots of fishing room. My primary need for this boat was safety, reliability and fishability. I figure installing fancy accessories that don't help catch fish in a boat gives you more opportunity for issues.

It is mind boggling how much is involved with a boat build. I spent countless hours over the last year planning this build. I am very fortunate to have found a builder that is open to collaboration and allowing me to be onsite during the process.

I will post more pics in the next few days.
I think before Wayne left Motion Marine he was probably involved in one or both of the bigger offshore boats they built that made it to a working finished product through some... trial and error? I’m sure he learned from those experiences.

I think the second one didn’t have a delta pad and that was part of the reason it didn’t work right when it was completed.

Hearing the dimensions of this fishing beast, I’ll be very curious to hear the performance with the twin duo-props.
 

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many hundreds of things to think thru, priotize, etc.....i think keeping mission in focus is critical, especially as others weigh in with unlimited imaginary internet €£¥ and $$$$. For a day boat, i laud your sensibility. i find myself chasing simplicity, maybe i am just old....

enjoy, have fun....
I think before Wayne left Motion Marine he was probably involved in one or both of the bigger offshore boats they built that made it to a working finished product through some... trial and error? I’m sure he learned from those experiences.

I think the second one didn’t have a delta pad and that was part of the reason it didn’t work right when it was completed.

Hearing the dimensions of this fishing beast, I’ll be very curious to hear the performance with the twin duo-props.
I have 100% confidence with Wayne's ability to build my offshore boat. It's not his first rodeo, and yes...we all learn from trial and error. There are lots of internet boat specialist that can google boat related ratios, understand how to do simple math, but have no idea regarding to hydrodynamics associated hull design. I;m not trying to sound defensive, but the tone of your posts is casting doubt in Wayne's abilities as a boat builder. He has proven himself by building outstanding boats for years. He takes his craft serious, and puts a lot of thought into what he does. He is not afraid of innovation, which will result in my satisfaction. I appreciate all comments and advice...good or bad.
 

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The second hull and delta pad was added. Next step will be finishing the welds inside, flipping it over and complete the welds from the outside of the hull.
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I have 100% confidence with Wayne's ability to build my offshore boat. It's not his first rodeo, and yes...we all learn from trial and error. There are lots of internet boat specialist that can google boat related ratios, understand how to do simple math, but have no idea regarding to hydrodynamics associated hull design. I;m not trying to sound defensive, but the tone of your posts is casting doubt in Wayne's abilities as a boat builder. He has proven himself by building outstanding boats for years. He takes his craft serious, and puts a lot of thought into what he does. He is not afraid of innovation, which will result in my satisfaction. I appreciate all comments and advice...good or bad.
I hope I didn't come across as offensive.

I have seen some of Wayne's work, and he definitely knows how to put a boat together.

I don't consider myself a hydrodynamics expert by any means, but I have been in the boating industry for about ten years now. So, my questions were more related to similar storylines I have watched unfold. I now have three friends that have had larger offshore boats made by small manufacturers that became fairly major sagas. All of them were builders with strong reputations when it came to 20-25' boats, but the bigger boats were the first of their kind from each builder. In each scenario, the builder and the purchaser were equally confident about the outcome, but the end results were not really what they hoped for. I think they would each say now that they would unequivocably pay to have a marine architect/engineer involved in a build if they did it again. In the end, it would have been much cheaper for them than the rework, redesign, and litigation.

I apologize for interjecting a word of caution when you didn't ask for it, particularly because it looks like you're a little far down the line for it to be of much use. But having seen several people start in a similar place as you and end in a not great place, I thought it might be worth mentioning some of the challenges they encountered to help you or others avoid the same pitfalls. I'm sure for those three that had bad experiences there are plenty that had great experiences and I'm hoping you will be added to the list of great experiences. The overall concept sounds like the ideal PNW offshore boat!

I won't hijack your thread anymore but will be lurking to watch the progress and see how she comes together! Enjoy the process and I look forward to seeing it out on the water!
 

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I hope I didn't come across as offensive.

I have seen some of Wayne's work, and he definitely knows how to put a boat together.

I don't consider myself a hydrodynamics expert by any means, but I have been in the boating industry for about ten years now. So, my questions were more related to similar storylines I have watched unfold. I now have three friends that have had larger offshore boats made by small manufacturers that became fairly major sagas. All of them were builders with strong reputations when it came to 20-25' boats, but the bigger boats were the first of their kind from each builder. In each scenario, the builder and the purchaser were equally confident about the outcome, but the end results were not really what they hoped for. I think they would each say now that they would unequivocably pay to have a marine architect/engineer involved in a build if they did it again. In the end, it would have been much cheaper for them than the rework, redesign, and litigation.

I apologize for interjecting a word of caution when you didn't ask for it, particularly because it looks like you're a little far down the line for it to be of much use. But having seen several people start in a similar place as you and end in a not great place, I thought it might be worth mentioning some of the challenges they encountered to help you or others avoid the same pitfalls. I'm sure for those three that had bad experiences there are plenty that had great experiences and I'm hoping you will be added to the list of great experiences. The overall concept sounds like the ideal PNW offshore boat!

I won't hijack your thread anymore but will be lurking to watch the progress and see how she comes together! Enjoy the process and I look forward to seeing it out on the water!
I didn't think you came across offensive, but I did feel like Wayne knowledge of building a boat was being questioned. All the big name manufactures started small and worked their way up. Some builders continued to stay small like the one man shop Edwing, who builds a tank. Enough of this...Overfishin Condition...I am fine with you or anyone else sharing comments...we are good.
 
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