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Old 04-03-2012, 05:57 PM   #1
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Currently-4-03-2012 the gillnetters have had their first day on the water for spring chinook. They would have been in earlier except that there was alot of steelhead present. By now alot of Ifishers are wondering what their chances are of catching a spring salmon behind the gillnets are. Chances are good my friends, water is dropping, fish are present, and it`s SPRING! Sports catch has been pretty dismal up until now, no thanks to a cold wet spring, and commercial catch has been 0 except in the safe zones{hasn`t been too good there yet either}. Fortunately we have not voted in a new harvest method that would allow a selective method to target only hatchery fish headed up the Columbia river, or our{sports} catch would be closer to 0 than the currently estimated 2000 fish that we`ve caught. Willamette fish have already made their show, these fish are open targets for harvest{no impact}, without the steelhead being present you Willamette fishermen would have far fewer fish in the coming month to fish for, Prayer for less rain and snow, we`ll get them. Bill
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Anyone know how the Gillnet Ban is going? Is it still awaiting title language? Is there going to be enough time to gather signatures?
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Question? (maybe it has been answered already) When a "test set" is done who keeps the fish?
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From what I've been told the ODFW and WDFW hire the Fishermen to do the test fishery. The hatchery keepers caught are then sold to fish processors and the money goes to ODFW and WDFW.
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anyone know how they did yesterday? haven't found a landing report yet.......
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anyone know how they did yesterday? haven't found a landing report yet.......
I had 28, I figured I was above average.
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My family member shipped 17 fish, quit 2 hours early also.
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I've read that landing reports aren't due until tonight, but the article below said it looked like they did worse than the avg. test nets did on April1.
"General reports are probably 20 fish per boat with 60 fish for the top boats," guestimated Joe Hymer, a supervising fisheries biologist in Vancouver this morning.

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When does the official report come out?
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I'm guessing you could see it by tomorrow.
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Where were netting?
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How many spring Chinook did your boat keep for personal use? Are the personal use fish counted in fish caught for commerical netting?
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How many spring Chinook did your boat keep for personal use? Are the personal use fish counted in fish caught for commerical netting?
I didn't keep any for personal use. If I did i would have to fill out a take home slip, with how many fish and the weight and yes it would be counted for our quota. And I would still have to pay taxes on the value of the fish. But at this price I gotta sell the fish get it out to the public and pay my bills.
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Outstanding video interview by Ellen Degeneres on indiscriminate gillnet damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DlIPKvYJ04&hd=1
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Outstanding video interview by Ellen Degeneres on indiscriminate gillnet damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DlIPKvYJ04&hd=1
Lets just get this straight. They are talking about high seas drift nets not Columbia river gillnets completely different our nets are not 30 miles long hundred feet deep.
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How are nets in the river any different? Just less species of wildlife in the river but the net result is the same.
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Lets just get this straight. They are talking about high seas drift nets not Columbia river gillnets completely different our nets are not 30 miles long hundred feet deep.
Good point, SGR.

However, it seems like the main point was the catching of non targeted species.

Everybody should be able to agree, that by-catch is not not a good thing.
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This gillnets on the Columbia are not at all the same as a high seas drift nets. High seas drift nets target all kinda of different species. CR nets target salmon and sturgeon.
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Gill nets "target" like a hand grenade targets. Anything inside the net.
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Gill nets "target" like a hand grenade targets. Anything inside the net.
Your wrong. Different size mesh differs the different type of fish your targeting.
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I was wondering about the Gillnetter boat that was headed upriver from Washougal today around noon. Was there test netting involved? A witness told me that when it came back to the Camas/Washougal boat launch it was dumping out a bunch of bloody ice from its hold. He also saw the person change out the nets. I think that maybe the netter was probably up river sweeping the bottom for snags, so Tuesday his drift area would be cleaned of debris. But why the bloody ice? Maybe some incidental catch was harvested? Makes you wonder what goes on when there is no enforcement around to check out these operations?
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"Anyone know how the Gillnet Ban is going? Is it still awaiting title language? Nope....lanquage settled per the OS Supreme Court. Is there going to be enough time to gather signatures? Plenty of time...starting in the next week or so."
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Has anyone really noticed the change to daytime gillnetting? It seems the agancies suddenly see a benefit regarding, visibility, safety and accountability as well as better adherence to the rules. Hmmm! could that have been from CCA members showing up at commission hearings and asking for it over and over and over several years ago?

Or maybe from the suggestions of that "totally unworkable" letter submitted by retired LEs a few years ago.

Strange how management works. Someone makes a suggestion and it gets totally ignored. Yet a few years later it becomes a good idea, but never attrributed to the original source.

Nah, probably just coincidence!
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Your wrong. Different size mesh differs the different type of fish your targeting.
Well salmon grim reeper, I must tell you that I am impressed that you have the big ones to even post on this site. I am surprised. While I personally am opposed to gill netting in the CR, it is always interesting to hear the "netters" side of the story, and to eliminate some of the misunderstandings about what you do and how you do it. My only question is: How do you differentiate between a 20 pound Steelhead and a 15 pound Chinook by mesh size? They are about the same size fish.
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Well salmon grim reeper, I must tell you that I am impressed that you have the big ones to even post on this site. I am surprised. While I personally am opposed to gill netting in the CR, it is always interesting to hear the "netters" side of the story, and to eliminate some of the misunderstandings about what you do and how you do it. My only question is: How do you differentiate between a 20 pound Steelhead and a 15 pound Chinook by mesh size? They are about the same size fish.
We don't fish when alot steelhead and running. And if we do we use tangles nets.
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Hands going horizonal, making loud noises !!
Good Job of making awareness here..
It's not ok to dispatch sealions at the dam but it is ok to turn a blinds eye to the net by-catch.
Good job Ellen
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Not sure how I felt about the segment......It did put nets in a bad light though and I'm sure it is just another weapon that will be used in changing current laws in the future. That part I certainly agree with.
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Bigger question, Why are you watching Ellen show? Just say'n
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"Anyone know how the Gillnet Ban is going? Is it still awaiting title language? Nope....lanquage settled per the OS Supreme Court. Is there going to be enough time to gather signatures? Plenty of time...starting in the next week or so."
Too bad it wasn't available for the Salt Water Sportsman Show last weekend.
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Not sure how I felt about the segment......It did put nets in a bad light though and I'm sure it is just another weapon that will be used in changing current laws in the future. That part I certainly agree with.
Yeah but they made sure to say "nets and other fishing gear".
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Glad you watched this and brought it to peoples attention, Doc.
Do wish people would be better informed, before they spout too much mis-information, though.
She goes too much on emotion. Too little on information.
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High seas drift nets are not the same as CR gillnets. Don't get confused by Ginnys attempt to misinform everyone.
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To Salmon Grim Reaper... I was told by a reliable source that you guys lose many fish to the fur bags,ie. The salmon are stuck in the net by the gills, and the sea lion pulls them out, sometimes damaging the net. If true, any estimate of the loss. Do those losses get reported as fish taken by netters?
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To Salmon Grim Reaper... I was told by a reliable source that you guys lose many fish to the fur bags,ie. The salmon are stuck in the net by the gills, and the sea lion pulls them out, sometimes damaging the net. If true, any estimate of the loss. Do those losses get reported as fish taken by netters?
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What is your angle with a common sense question like that?

Hmm.......I heard from a reliable source that sport guys lose many fish to fur bags, ect. The salmon are hooked in the gills by 3 barbed hooks, bleeding to death, and the sea lion bites the salmon damaging the mooching rig/lure. If true, any estimate of the loss? Do those losses get reported as fish taken by sport fisherman?
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Sealions have an impact on sport and commercial fisherman.
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Has anyone really noticed the change to daytime gillnetting? It seems the agancies suddenly see a benefit regarding, visibility, safety and accountability as well as better adherence to the rules. Hmmm! could that have been from CCA members showing up at commission hearings and asking for it over and over and over several years ago?

Or maybe from the suggestions of that "totally unworkable" letter submitted by retired LEs a few years ago.

Strange how management works. Someone makes a suggestion and it gets totally ignored. Yet a few years later it becomes a good idea, but never attrributed to the original source.

Nah, probably just coincidence!
Not to take away your thunder but gillnetters have asked many times before to go during the daylight with river conditions as such. Who wants to fish in the dark with debris in it. No one! Go ahead and take credit if you want to, in fact put that on CCA's website as a victory.
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Which happens to be the exact size they used to use to GILLNET steelhead back before the closure. 4.25 inch mesh, correct?
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Which happens to be the exact size they used to use to GILLNET steelhead back before the closure. 4.25 inch mesh, correct?
I've never targeted steelhead before so I don't know what they used.
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A 4.25 Chinook Tangle Net is a Steelhead Gillnet. It was one of the preferred sizes back before 1972? when it closed for steelhead commercial take.
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Which happens to be the exact size they used to use to GILLNET steelhead back before the closure. 4.25 inch mesh, correct?
4.25 inch was for Sockeye not Steelhead...Look at one up close if you have the chance, there aren't many fish that can be gilled in these nets (Have to be smaller than a 6lb salmon and bigger than a Jack)

When UW did the 4.25in tanglenet testing near Bonneville a few years ago 10 steelhead were tangled, but none were gilled.
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Trust me, I've seen so many steelhead GILLED with 4.25.... I could care less what UW has to say. Big and small steelhead alike, in Feb and Mar, in the Columbia River.

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Trust me, I've seen so many steelhead GILLED with 4.25.... I could care less what UW has to say. Big and small steelhead alike, in Feb and Mar, in the Columbia River.
Oh yea? Are you a gillnetter? I've never seen a steelhead gilled in a 4.25 mesh. Tangle by the mouth yes.
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Doesn't matter. It gills steehead, seen it hundreds of times.
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Trust me, I've seen so many steelhead GILLED with 4.25.... I could care less what UW has to say. Big and small steelhead alike, in Feb and Mar, in the Columbia River.
You have any pics?
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I did on my old computer that was fried. Might be able to find a few other on websites. But you can look at a CCA brochure for a sample of the ones I took.
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Not to take away your thunder but gillnetters have asked many times before to go during the daylight with river conditions as such. Who wants to fish in the dark with debris in it. No one! Go ahead and take credit if you want to, in fact put that on CCA's website as a victory.
OK, we will!

I don't know why the gillnetters would be denied fishing in daylight hours if they asked. Do you?
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I don't know why the gillnetters would be denied fishing in daylight hours if they asked. Do you?
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:38 PM   #52
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I did on my old computer that was fried. Might be able to find a few other on websites. But you can look at a CCA brochure for a sample of the ones I took.
Come on throw me a bone here...how about a link or something...spent way to long searching pics on google. All I saw was pics of dead steelhead in the water. If you've seen a steelhead caught by the gills in a 4.25 inch net hundreds of times, it shouldn't be to hard to video record it, or at least take a picture. I'm sure it would change a lot of minds out there.
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Come on throw me a bone here...how about a link or something...spent way to long searching pics on google. All I saw was pics of dead steelhead in the water. If you've seen a steelhead caught by the gills in a 4.25 inch net hundreds of times, it shouldn't be to hard to video record it, or at least take a picture. I'm sure it would change a lot of minds out there.
Oh believe me I'll try when I get a chance, it's been a few years since I've spent considerable time on a gill net boat. Don't worry they're coming.
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Oh believe me I'll try when I get a chance, it's been a few years since I've spent considerable time on a gill net boat. Don't worry they're coming.
That would be great, I'm sure my mind would be changed if hundreds of steelhead are get <?> up every river opener. If this is the case, do you think the ODFW and/or observers are lying? They say that the mortality of steelhead caught in tanglenets is like 1%. If they are indeed gilled in large numbers, it seems like it would be 30% mortality or more...

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High seas drift nets are not the same as CR gillnets. Don't get confused by Ginnys attempt to misinform everyone.
Sounds like a personal attack to me.
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That would be great, I'm sure my mind would be changed if hundreds of steelhead are get <?> up every river opener. If this is the case, do you think the ODFW and/or observers are lying? They say that the mortality of steelhead caught in tanglenets is like 1%. If they are indeed gilled in large numbers, it seems like it would be 30% mortality or more...
1%??? It's obvious you haven't talked to many observers. And yes, every opener steelhead get <?> up. Unfortunately there a steelhead in the river 365 days a year.

It also doesn't help that when they test net they leave the locations up to the gill netters. I know for a FACT that they tend to lean towards drifts a bit deeper and further away from shore to try to avoid more steelhead than what actually would be caught if they were fishing hard. Even doing that they still catch em pretty good.

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Yes I haven't talked to very many, just 1 and he acted like all steelhead are released in great shape from the tangles and gilling is very rare, but there is some mouth clamping...The 5.5 inch are bad news from what told.

I'm mainly going by the staff reports when they give the estimated steelhead mortality before they vote on whether to have an opener. These estimates are way off if large numbers are indeed gilled.

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Lets see 6 days and we are right back to the personal attacks and AUP violations. Posts have been removed. Continued violations will result in this one getting shut down as well. I would suggest that if you can't or don't feel you can respond in a respectful manner that you don't.
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1%??? It's obvious you haven't talked to many observers. And yes, every opener steelhead get <?> up. Unfortunately there a steelhead in the river 365 days a year.

It also doesn't help that when they test net they leave the locations up to the gill netters. I know for a FACT that they tend to lean towards drifts a bit deeper and further away from shore to try to avoid more steelhead than what actually would be caught if they were fishing hard. Even doing that they still catch em pretty good.
The test netters fish where they normally would fish for spring chinook. They want to catch as many springers as they can during the test so we can have an opener. Hopefully we get some nice weather to work in tomorrow. Lets hope for a good opener. Goodluck gillnetters!
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The test netters fish where they normally would fish for spring chinook. They want to catch as many springers as they can during the test so we can have an opener. Hopefully we get some nice weather to work in tomorrow. Lets hope for a good opener. Goodluck gillnetters!
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