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Old 01-11-2021, 11:08 AM   #1
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Default 2021 Ocean Coho season, anyone have a clue what we may see this year?

I know it is a bit early, but has there been any predictions about what Coho numbers might be this year? I mean things actually compiled from a reliable source, not rumors and 'I heard from so and so'. I usually get this information in the OSIG meeting held in Newport in late February, but that meeting may not happen (online?) and I know the information is available before that meeting.

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I've been told by an informed and reliable source that the expectation is for at the least a good coho season this year and that it might be an excellent season. As always, much will depend on both the wild and clipped coho numbers. Also the numbers for some of the runs/rivers.
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Jack numbers in Columbia very very high. Might be reason for optimism. After this lousy year we can use some optimism
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Hi All,

So, I was actually talking to one of the panel members from the joint commission. I slyly hinted at the question....what to expect. I didn't get one bit of specific information. Only vague tidbits. My best guess is:

The options, then the final coho season will be announced. There will be one or more quota numbers, matched to season dates.

Fishermen (especially the internet types) will react. The reactions will include, but not limited to:

- those quotas are (a) great (b) average (c) terrible (d) other____ numbers

- those dates are (a) great (b) average (c) terrible

- PFMC / ODFW's logic is (quietly think to yourself the adjective)

There will be interesting but not necessarily logical responses such as:

"the quota is really high, therefore it will be a great season of catching"

Ron will try to be the voice of reason, and not use sarcasm like some people.

Eventually, the conspiracies will get to the point that Chum King will chime in.

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Old 01-12-2021, 08:55 AM   #6
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Hi All,

So, I was actually talking to one of the panel members from the joint commission. I slyly hinted at the question....what to expect. I didn't get one bit of specific information. Only vague tidbits. My best guess is:

The options, then the final coho season will be announced. There will be one or more quota numbers, matched to season dates.

Fishermen (especially the internet types) will react. The reactions will include, but not limited to:

- those quotas are (a) great (b) average (c) terrible (d) other____ numbers

- those dates are (a) great (b) average (c) terrible

- PFMC / ODFW's logic is (quietly think to yourself the adjective)

There will be interesting but not necessarily logical responses such as:

"the quota is really high, therefore it will be a great season of catching"

Ron will try to be the voice of reason, and not use sarcasm like some people.

Eventually, the conspiracies will get to the point that Chum King will chime in.

Several people will thank Chum King.






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WOOOHOOO Thanks Mark, ya got me all excited now.

I can now schedule my vacation so I can intercept them silvery buggers when they get here. Oh wait, I'm retired, I don't get vacation any more....
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:59 AM   #7
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I've been told by an informed and reliable source that the expectation is for at the least a good coho season this year and that it might be an excellent season. As always, much will depend on both the wild and clipped coho numbers. Also the numbers for some of the runs/rivers.
Thanks Ron, I was hoping either you or Eric might chime in. I knew when I posted this it was a long shot this far out, but Coho fishing is my favorite outdoor activity anymore and I just couldn't help myself.

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...We'll open it early so we can shut it down early when the quota is reached. Happens every year....
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Old 01-12-2021, 09:42 AM   #9
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There will be a school that's 7 miles long and a mile wide off the mouth of the Columbia in early June.... Dog: just like other year's....
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3 and 4 lb. fish....
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Old 01-12-2021, 12:10 PM   #11
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:55 AM   #12
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My inside sources say better than last year and last year wasn't bad for me, just over too soon.
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:42 AM   #13
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Smiles on peoples faces as they put those silvers in the box after watching them do their thing on the end of the line As far as how many fish will show up--- it seems to be a guessing game to me because the estimates from the (people in the know) have not been very accurate for several years now. I aint bashing anyone, just saying how I see it. Lets have fun and put fish in the box and who knows-- there might be some more of those BIG FAT nooks mixed in with those silvers again
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Old 01-13-2021, 11:09 AM   #14
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No clue on the forecast but what ever there is for a season I'll enjoy all that tug on my line. It's my favorite fish after Springer.

However, it seems I did hear something said about a good speculation on Coho. Lets hope the ocean currents favor fish forage and a "good" forecast for the Houdini's of escapement from the fish hook.
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Old 01-13-2021, 01:47 PM   #15
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My sources tell me..... I don’t have any freak’n sources.....so I am just going make some stuff up.

Coho good....probably smaller in June and larger in August.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:30 PM   #16
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Maybe if we go back to calling them silvers they will figure they can sneak by because they don't think we are after coho.

Years ago in CB and dock talk they weren't even referred to as salmon. The coho were called silvers and the chinook were called salmon. I was just a high school kid and held that belief for quite a while after. I remember very clearly getting on the CB from the charter shop and calling, "KBT 1212 base to Unit 1 the Martex, how's fishing?" The reply would be something like, "We have 14 in the box, 5 of 'em salmon." Or it could have been Bud Painter on Unit 2 the Kimmie Sue saying the silvers were still small but one of the salmon was close to 40 pounds.

Now I prefer fishing for coho/silver salmon over chinook. I actually like it when they shut off the chinook at B10 and the crowds thin out, although it hurts a little to release a big bright one.
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TyBoo... I hear ya, they're Silvers. The big ones are Chinook, not shinooks. I did tag a Silver incorrectly one day because it was a big one.
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Don't pay any mind to me. I'm just feeling old lately.
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I think it’s going to be great. It was great in Marine Area 1 like every year I’ve fished it the last 40 (When Open) Problem was we chewed through that quota super quick. I was laid off for the first time in 30 years and was stoked that I was out there almost every fishable day. Later on in the river, I couldn't believe the number of coho jacks we caught the last few days we went. Never hooked that many ever. If that’s any revelation of what's to come I think we're in for a bumper crop. I live on the Cowlitz River and the jack numbers there were equally as impressive clear into late November. And the steelhead that kinda mirrors the coho runs is off to a good start where I fish. So in summary I have no idea other than a hunch that I will have plenty of extra fish for friends and family again. Hoping for a larger ocean quota cause I think they just taste delicious compared to the river coho. Ready for some good news and my winter sthd season not being Interrupted by a pandemic and overzealous government mandate. Still shaking my head on that one. Fish on boys and girls!!


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...We'll open it early so we can shut it down early when the quota is reached. Happens every year....


I looked back over the past 4 seasons, we have only hit the quota one time, 2017 and that was the non selective season. I'm basing this off the salmon catch index that ODFW produces each year.

actually, shutting it down wouldn't be so bad, it would indicate a pretty good season, at least for a short while.
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it will continue to be the best salmon fishery we have on the Oregon coast
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I looked back over the past 4 seasons, we have only hit the quota one time, 2017 and that was the non selective season. I'm basing this off the salmon catch index that ODFW produces each year.



actually, shutting it down wouldn't be so bad, it would indicate a pretty good season, at least for a short while.
You're obviously looking at an area somewhere other than where I fish that's been shut down in the ocean every year I can remember but one I think.

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You're obviously looking at an area somewhere other than where I fish that's been shut down in the ocean every year I can remember but one I think.

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I'm pretty sure Radke fishes off Pacific and/or G - and hence was referencing SoF and I certainly was as I fish out of Newport - and some of you are referencing the CR area (NoF) as that's where you fish.
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I'm pretty sure Radke fishes off Pacific and/or G - and hence was referencing SoF and I certainly was as I fish out of Newport - and some of you are referencing the CR area (NoF) as that's where you fish.

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The local hatchery is reporting a bumper crop of jacks this year in SONC ESU. Fingers crossed for a good ocean season!
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Columbia River hatcheries saw the largest number of Jack’s returning since 1977. Hoping that’s a good indication of a positive season

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Coho 140,190 predicted adult return Preliminary return >2X forecast Jack return highest since 1977


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Jack numbers in Columbia very very high. Might be reason for optimism. After this lousy year we can use some optimism
I don’t know about the Columbia but Newport was off the hook this year kings up to 50 pounds out of the ocean tons of silvers totally out of control hopefully we have another like that.
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
Your interpation is a little too optimistic about ocean salmon fishing. Some years the coho are plentiful and easy to catch on at least some days, rarely every day. And some years the coho are very elusive, difficult to find and catch.

I've rarely experienced chinook being easy to find and catch, I've had many more days without any chinook than I've had days where I caught even one, never mind two.

I'm an ocean guy, I rarely fish the riders, pretty much just occasionally for springers when the ocean is a no-go, so I don't know how easy or difficult it is to catch coho in the rivers. I've certainly not found springers easy to find and catch.

I've had salmon caught in rivers, even one considered an URB. IMO ocean salmon is the best eating with early springers being close to a tie with ocean chinook. I know folks that prefer ocean coho to any other salmon and I agree that it's pretty darn good.
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
The window on silvers is bigger in the ocean. When there's lots o silvers around, a limit aint too hard.

Once they hit freshwater, they don't bite as readily.

There can be some epic bites on cohos in freshwater. But not as often as in July and August (Season permitting) in the salt.
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
There isn't a simple response, it's an apples to oranges comparison. I've been skunked in both arenas... plenty.

However, if you can find salmon in the ocean, in a good year with an abundance of fish, it's an absolute blast. Nothing quite like the chaos on a boat that takes place with a good Silver bite.

Note - in a good year. Sometimes we don't have good years. And sometimes you can go a few weeks without fishing because of less than ideal ocean conditions.
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Prefer the ocean VS the river. But weather/conditions is a bigger determining factor for the ocean. When the ocean is "on" its a blast.
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Ding ding ding you win the prize. if you fish the ocean the river is known as the poison water because fish don’t live there. there’s no substitute for ocean salmon fishing. I have had days where we got eight Kings on the downrigger and laughed about the guys fission Springers up in the river hoping they would hook one. That’s in the spring the real salmon fishin hasn’t even started yet
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
hard to have 20+ salmon days in the river, in the ocean those days are expected on the sc, especially at the river mouths
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Since moving back to the PNW after a small 18 year stint in the MidWest... I'm learning the ins and outs of fishing here vs SE AK. I never dreamed of keeping fish in-river up there and fishing here is soooo much different. A boat isn't in my future for a few years, but I'd love to take some trips with guys crossing the bar to learn/experience what its like out there. I just can't give up the idea of running purple hearing or big plugs 200' on the downrigger for monster kings.
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Old 01-20-2021, 06:37 PM   #39
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Is ocean fishing really that much better than in-river (coho and chinook)? With the way you guys describe it, it seems like you can catch all the salmon you want in the ocean and have no reason to even fish in-river!
In a word, yes. Salmon are actively feeding in the ocean and the fishing can be bonkers but also is more often just consistently good. Lots of options in the ocean, bottomfish, flat fish, salmon, crab...

River fishing is what I do because I have a driftboat (and get seasick pretty badly) and it is fun but CATCHING in the ocean vs the river is not even a fair comparison. Ocean is where it is at.
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Old 01-20-2021, 08:14 PM   #40
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Fingers crossed for at least as good as last year. I'm still kinda new, this will be my sixth season, but last year was pretty fun! The non selective weekend was awesome for getting the family out after em. Anxious to see what the quota looks like.
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Old 01-21-2021, 06:10 AM   #41
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Ding ding ding you win the prize. if you fish the ocean the river is known as the poison water because fish don’t live there. there’s no substitute for ocean salmon fishing. I have had days where we got eight Kings on the downrigger and laughed about the guys fission Springers up in the river hoping they would hook one. That’s in the spring the real salmon fishin hasn’t even started yet
In the 50s and 60s fishing with Dad he was pretty much done fishing by the first week in August. He felt the early ocean fishery produced the best quality fish and he wanted nothing to do with those Tules. In fact I've heard him ask folks at West End Basin dragging a Tule to the cleaning table if they had a lot of cats as your fish makes good cat food.
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Old 01-21-2021, 07:25 AM   #42
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I paid for my slip yesterday so that’s probably a bad omen.
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Old 01-22-2021, 08:46 AM   #43
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I looked back over the past 4 seasons, we have only hit the quota one time, 2017 and that was the non selective season. I'm basing this off the salmon catch index that ODFW produces each year.

actually, shutting it down wouldn't be so bad, it would indicate a pretty good season, at least for a short while.
I thought about this statement over the past week, and I think it is partially bogus. I was only looking at what % of the quota was caught by the time the season ended, and if it wasn't 100%, then we didn't hit our quota. Well, at least in 2018 and again in 2020 we did not hit 100%, (high 90's), but no fish were caught in late September. That tells me they shut fishing down do to an expected catch rate that would have exceeded the quota, so for those years, I think I would agree we hit the quota.

And Ron M is correct, I only was looking at SOF, I do all my fishing out of Pacific City.

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Old 01-22-2021, 09:19 AM   #44
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For some years now, we (central OR coast) have had 2 coho seasons, selective usually starting in June and non-selective starting end of Aug or early in Sept each year. So talk of catching the quota needs to be clarified by stating which season is being discussed.

My memory says that in the years since we've had the non-selective quota we haven't reached the selective quota in any of those years. But we've reached the quota in the non-selective season every year. I count the quota as having been reached if we're close enough that the managers do not allow another day of fishing. Most years the non-selective quota is not enough for very many days of fishing in Sept, but it often has terrific fishing for large coho which is why it's become such a popular season. Often terrific fishing for coho, but not every year, but most years. On non-selective days, the ramp in Newport looks like it's an all-depth halibut day with nice weather, that is it's a long wait to launch and a long wait to take out and rigs are parked out to and sometimes past the bridge.
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