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Old 07-31-2020, 02:39 PM   #1
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Fish with a lawyer...
(BTW, if the September run update is good, some of these might change)

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Old 07-31-2020, 03:40 PM   #2
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How come Puget Island to warrior rock is open the entire month?
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I wonder if an entrapment law suit can be filed cuz it seems like either A) it's set this way on purpose for ppl to F up..or B) whoever the governing body is understands ppl are sucky and will buy license regardless and when they won't they will let the commercials take over which seems to me is prime objective of state....conspiracy theory #xyz. ....or C) it might be secretly funded program where we are teaching monkeys to learn human jobs and they keep failing ....clownery at best. I think there's more attractions to come yet....wow..simply wow....

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LOL

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I bet the netters are chomping at the bit for that late season mop up.


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Where are these thermal refuge deadlines at herman and eagle creek? I take it it's the normal creek to columbia deadlines?

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Where are these thermal refuge deadlines at herman and eagle creek? I take it it's the normal creek to columbia deadlines?
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

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Fish with a lawyer...
(BTW, if the September run update is good, some of these might change)

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/20...-saturday.html
What about Jacks below Bonnie ?
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Where are these thermal refuge deadlines at herman and eagle creek? I take it it's the normal creek to columbia deadlines?
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The above are all found here along with written definitions.
https://myodfw.com/recreation-report.../columbia-zone
Lawyer fishing time indeed. I'm seeing a straight line from the eagle creek red bouy on the noth side of the channel to the original deadline on the Southside of the creek. This will get interesting fow shore...
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What about Jacks below Bonnie ?
Keep them except B-10 to Tongue point is what I read.

Minimum size for jack salmon is 12 inches in the Columbia River. Jack salmon may be kept in all areas at all times except Buoy 10 to Tongue Point before Oct.
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!

So much for getting the gillnets off the river. By the end of the season, the netters will have more time on the water than the sporties.
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!
And I was considering buying a brand new sled. Thanks for bringing me to my senses. I'll stick with what i got.
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I predict a lottery system in the near future for Chinook and Coho salmon fishing. Of course, that won't apply to the gill nets that will be business as usual-freeloading and first in line.

This isn't my first rodeo so you can can it on . . oh sports get their share. Bull.
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!
See page 30...

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/fi...taffreport.pdf
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!
If fish come in over expectation, you'll see the nets in the Dead Zone in late SEP/Oct as they have in the past.
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I predict a lottery system in the near future for Chinook and Coho salmon fishing. Of course, that won't apply to the gill nets that will be business as usual-freeloading and first in line.

This isn't my first rodeo so you can can it on . . oh sports get their share. Bull.
It is going to take a new ballot measure lots of lawsuits to stop the .
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It is going to take a new ballot measure lots of lawsuits to stop the .
Them , sorry .
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And I was considering buying a brand new sled. Thanks for bringing me to my senses. I'll stick with what i got.
Wise choice , I just bought a new one , no trolling motor for me , crabbing and trout with the granddaughters . Catch and release pellet heads . SAD
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Maybe sporties wiil have a little larger piece of the pie when Culp takes over?
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Does any one have a zone map for the ColumbIa? I couldn't fine any thing that had boundary details or zone numbers. Thanks
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Does any one have a zone map for the ColumbIa? I couldn't fine any thing that had boundary details or zone numbers. Thanks
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Just checked the tides for zones 4 & 5 and that won't help either. But it probably doesn't matter as Bonneville plays a major role there too. Throw in the September weeds in the river and . . . fall Chinook fishing is gonna be work not fun this year. Better than nothing, maybe.

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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!
Whoa, now there is a full schedule.

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Thank you Washington state fishing commission. Charging us money for 6 plus years to protect the ESA listed fish in the Columbia river. Salmon, steelhead, and sturgeon for a better population. Then letting the gillnets in from Warrior rock to Bonneville dam is asinine. Like shoveling **** against the tide you all are worthless. Can you tell I’m not impressed with Washington government. Hopefully I’m not the only one. On November 3 hop to see a change of the tides. From donkey gooberment to common sense government.
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What late season mop up. The nets will be in zones 4 and 5 through August on days it is closed to Sports!!!!
August 10,11,12,13,17,18,19,20,24,25,26,27,31,Sept. 1

9 hour soaks, 9 inch mesh.

Sorry I secured a slip up near the head of channel!

You have a citation for that? It hasn't (yet) shown up as an action notice, and actions are rarely if ever so much more generous than fact sheet expectations.
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It hasn't (yet) shown up as an action notice,.
Ooh, it's there. Bigger than life and twice as ugly.
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You have a citation for that? It hasn't (yet) shown up as an action notice, and actions are rarely if ever so much more generous than fact sheet expectations.
Notice.... issued 7/30/2020:

https://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/OSC...730_notice.pdf

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So any of the local educational facilities offer degrees in reading and interpretation of the fish regs? Should be worth at least a BS in biology
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Still not posted on the WDFW site...So it is the seven days recommended on the fact sheet, not the 14 days wack0 posted.
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But the "zone" map shows the "commercial" down stream boundry of Warrior rock as The lighthouse and through Nav. bouy #1, That is NOT the sport boundry, to add to the confusion!
Sport boundry is Nav. bouy #2 "red can" above lighthouse to old Commercial dolphin at Batchelor island/lake river.
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Still not posted on the WDFW site...So it is the seven days recommended on the fact sheet, not the 14 days wack0 posted.
Columbia River Fishery Notice from ODFW dated 07/30/2020.

Compact Actions.."Columbia River Compact agencies of Oregon and Washington met and took the following actions. "

Doesn't say anything about recommendations.

That said hope your right but I'm not seeing it Looks like a sealed deal!

Put the boat in the slip yesterday. Guess they are catching crappie and bass, Walleye.....
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I predict a lottery system in the near future for Chinook and Coho salmon fishing. Of course, that won't apply to the gill nets that will be business as usual-freeloading and first in line.

This isn't my first rodeo so you can can it on . . oh sports get their share. Bull.
We just can't seem to get rid of the gillnets. Sounds like a good reason to join and support CCA.
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Still not posted on the WDFW site...So it is the seven days recommended on the fact sheet, not the 14 days wack0 posted.
Is this not the Washington notice? If so, it may conflict with Oregon’s when I read it quickly.

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maybe CCA topic is for another thread but before everyone tout the organization remember way back when they were collecting money and signatures to get gillnets off the river and kitsnauber stepped in and we got
the current CBRE plan and the likes... almost a decade later, where are we and how much of the $ collected stayed in the NW?


Perhaps the focus might need to shift some so we can have healthy sustainable fish runs in our great region. TSA's are just the latest poke in the eye. The downhill slide continues, we need to stop the bleeding. Just my frustrated opinion.
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Is this not the Washington notice? If so, it may conflict with Oregon’s when I read it quickly.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/fi...30july2020.pdf

They are the same. It finally posted on the site I have on my favorites.


wack- I used "recommendation" when I should have used "expectation". Either way, the action notice complied with the fact sheet, and they get seven nights.
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maybe CCA topic is for another thread but before everyone tout the organization remember way back when they were collecting money and signatures to get gillnets off the river and kitsnauber stepped in and we got
the current CBRE plan and the likes... almost a decade later, where are we and how much of the $ collected stayed in the NW?


Perhaps the focus might need to shift some so we can have healthy sustainable fish runs in our great region. TSA's are just the latest poke in the eye. The downhill slide continues, we need to stop the bleeding. Just my frustrated opinion.
Your post is very appropriate for this thread-all of it is related and connected. I no longer throw my money away to CCA. I get tired of hearing how they've done so much for fishing when we see regulations, payback regulations coz anglers have the nerve to speak up about the obvious-we pay to play and get lip service. On that, every DFW meeting is . . be polite, be courteous, don't offend the commission they're just volunteers. Bull, the commission has a fiduciary obligation to be balanced and impartial. It always leans to the commercials. So does the gov. It's political . . anglers owe them nothing. DO YOUR JOB COMMISSIONERS-FAIRLY without bias.

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Don't forget it was NSIA, NW steelheaders and NWGAA that bailed on the ballot measure first. Make sure you have an adequate supply of rocks if you choose to toss a few.
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(BTW, if the September run update is good, some of these might change)
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Wow.

We've decided to cut our time at B10 by two-thirds....not worth the effort.
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Don't forget it was NSIA, NW steelheaders and NWGAA that bailed on the ballot measure first. Make sure you have an adequate supply of rocks if you choose to toss a few.
All I know is . . sports have to get off the river in 4 and 5 so the kill nets can have their turn. Wacko's post says it all. Maybe gill nets should only be allowed one night a week since anglers can't fish 5 days a week. Just a thought.
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Guess only hope is they will reach their allowable impact (what ever that is) before the end of the month and it closes on Sept 6th!.
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Someone needs to start the Official Dead Zone thread. I don't want to be the only one out there come Friday.
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Someone needs to start the Official Dead Zone thread. I don't want to be the only one out there come Friday.
I had one in the spring, then the fishing was closed. Probably could find it if one looked
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Old 08-05-2020, 05:08 AM   #48
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Wow.

We've decided to cut our time at B10 by two-thirds....not worth the effort.

With a few exceptions (Thank you Gary for showing me how it is supposed to work!) I have never considered B10 to be worth the effort. Wind, waves, wakes, crowds...and rarely better than a one fish per boat average.... Esp. early August. I never understood why (on nice days) people would pile up in the river when five miles West was an ocean full of fish.
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It is going to take a new ballot measure lots of lawsuits to stop them.
I'm not sure why it has taken this long. Do a ballot measure and be done with it. the commercial industry in Florida was just as strong if not stronger than the commercial industry in Oregon, and those nets were outlawed by amendment back in 1994 (this was the origin of CCA).

We have a very proven track record that half measures are ineffective.
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With a few exceptions (Thank you Gary for showing me how it is supposed to work!) I have never considered B10 to be worth the effort. Wind, waves, wakes, crowds...and rarely better than a one fish per boat average.... Esp. early August. I never understood why (on nice days) people would pile up in the river when five miles West was an ocean full of fish.

For us who dislike the upper river options and live on the coast full or part time like the option of the river in early August if the ocean is to rough. This year we have zero options in early to mid August....


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Don't forget it was NSIA, NW steelheaders and NWGAA that bailed on the ballot measure first. Make sure you have an adequate supply of rocks if you choose to toss a few.

These groups along with CCA were behind the barbless rule. They(NSIA) said it was a package deal. I feel barbless should be promoted but voluntary as not all anglers are equally experienced at landing fish. That package deal is unwinding and rec anglers are stuck with new regs and Columbia River Endorsement fee's.
Is Youngs Bay still closed to rec anglers? WE GOT SCREWED!

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It is going to take a new ballot measure lots of lawsuits to stop them.
I'm not sure why it has taken this long. Do a ballot measure and be done with it. the commercial industry in Florida was just as strong if not stronger than the commercial industry in Oregon, and those nets were

outlawed by amendment back in 1994 (this was the origin of CCA).

We have a very proven track record that half measures are ineffective.[/QUOTE

I agree totally. We need a group like CCA to organize us so we can get signatures and on the ballot. I'm tired of being told to write letters and beg yada yada. I have tried asking CCA and don't get a response
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:54 AM   #53
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There's no doubt that the secret meeting with Kitzhaber turned out to be a big fail.. Promises, promises......
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Trying to blame sportsmans organizations for the backsliding of the agencies and their commissions - which we have near zero control over - is completely off the mark.
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Maybe not so much the sportsmen's organizations but the Industry organizations yes. The insertion of the constantly failing Safe 4 Salmon plan turned the whole thing into an allocation grab. My 0.02.
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With a few exceptions (Thank you Gary for showing me how it is supposed to work!) I have never considered B10 to be worth the effort. Wind, waves, wakes, crowds...and rarely better than a one fish per boat average.... Esp. early August. I never understood why (on nice days) people would pile up in the river when five miles West was an ocean full of fish.
Amen to that , but people have to justify that 300$ a month boat payment or the wife will ask : Tell me again why do we have a boat ?
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Unfortunately it takes a ton of money to run a successful ballot measure campaign. I was told in the neighborhood of 3-4 million. It is a permanent solution, but expensive. The other option is through the legislature. It would do you well to let your duly elected reps. and senators known how you feel.


The backsliding of the fish commissions in both states is due to 2 people on each commission. In Washington one is the commissioner from King county and the other is from Clark county. Both are or have been professional representatives of commercial interests. They have been relentless in their efforts to get gillnets back in the river whenever and wherever they can. In Oregon there was one who formerly was a paid lobbyist for the gillnetters and his sidekick. Both have been replaced after the Governor found out what they were really up to. Who pressured the Governor to not extend their terms? Yup, CCA,the Steelheaders, NSIA, and others who continually get blamed for doing nothing. In Washington its a work in progress as one's term is up this year and the other has 2 more years. These two are currently working on a rewrite of the policy to open the door for a return to netting in all seasons. It will be up for vote in September. And who has been doing battle with these two from the get go? Yup, the same organizations.
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Trying to blame sportsmans organizations for the backsliding of the agencies and their commissions - which we have near zero control over - is completely off the mark.
Just to be fair, these groups have done great things for the sport fishing industry and the sport guide fleet. Its all about max days on the water or money. Take a step back and look at what we have lost in the last 5 years and tell me the blame lies with a couple entity's. These groups are very influential with the DFW. They absolutely control a part of the outcome within rec sport season structures. Make no mistake, these groups are for the industry and conservation with a side dish of retention opportunity. I know you are a big NSIA supporter, you should try seeing things as most average rec anglers do then you might understand the animosity. Maybe once everyone realizes that the younger generations are not participating anywhere near the levels their parents and grandparents did, we can all work together for a sustainable quality opportunity towards catching Salmon and Steel.

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Your post is very appropriate for this thread-all of it is related and connected. I no longer throw my money away to CCA. I get tired of hearing how they've done so much for fishing when we see regulations, payback regulations coz anglers have the nerve to speak up about the obvious-we pay to play and get lip service. On that, every DFW meeting is . . be polite, be courteous, don't offend the commission they're just volunteers. Bull, the commission has a fiduciary obligation to be balanced and impartial. It always leans to the commercials. So does the gov. It's political . . anglers owe them nothing. DO YOUR JOB COMMISSIONERS-FAIRLY without bias.

I won't lick anyone's boots then thank them for it. That is the CCA plan. F that



I agree... There's a two edged sword handing out money to these "organizations" because money is evil. It always attaches to greed or a position held by a few. If you're not "for" them you're against them. I'd bet the majority of fishermen want better TOTAL management of our resources which will give us a better return of fish to catch. If you live in WA or OR you already pay for that but it's not happening. Government is corrupt deceitful and one sided. Logic, intelligence and morality are surely very short in supply. Choose your government representatives carefully is all I can say................
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... I know you are a big NSIA supporter, you should try seeing things as most average rec anglers do then you might understand the animosity. ...

Actually I am an average recreational angler and have never worked in any aspect of the salmon fishing/marine industries. I am however, a strong conservationist and advocate for sports fishers getting an equitable share of the allowable harvest. Conservation and sports equity backed by political muscle are why I support the Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association. And, no, I don't understand the animosity other than I do think there's many people who speak ill of others regardless of the facts.
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