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Old 07-28-2020, 07:29 PM   #1
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Unfortunately, it is in the number of new Covid19 cases reported today by the Oregon Health Authority. Umatilla 75 - v- Multnomah 74.

Considering its small population, the infection rate in Umatilla has to be multiples of Multnomah.

I hope Oregon can allocate additional resources to help our Umatilla neighbors.


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Umatilla county for the win. There have been more than a few days that our daily covid numbers have been higher that than multnomah. Nothing new there. Been going on for a while yet we are all still here!! Shocking. Know many people who have had it and recovered and are just fine.
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Again, we need to think about the who and why of it. The who and why has been well publicized so these numbers must be taken with a bit of common sense. Like Traks said, "know many people who've had it and recovered and are just fine." Most people who test positive aren't seriously ill and in ten days from their first positive test, will be perfectly fine and no longer contagious. Straight from CDC.
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Again, we need to think about the who and why of it. The who and why has been well publicized so these numbers must be taken with a bit of common sense. Like Traks said, "know many people who've had it and recovered and are just fine." Most people who test positive aren't seriously ill and in ten days from their first positive test, will be perfectly fine and no longer contagious. Straight from CDC.
I have been locked in a 12x12 room with clients who were both positive cases for more than an hour with one of them still showing symptoms, no masks (gasp!!) And one of them is a very high risk category and his wife and they are and have been fully recovered. That was about 45 days ago. Most of the people I know are older or at least middle age and maybe the most confounding things watching cases is that even if you are high risk it doesn’t mean your gonna die or even have much trouble. I live in Hermiston fwiw l, we are ground zero. You can tell who is having “outbreaks” by the temporary closures in town
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Again, we need to think about the who and why of it. The who and why has been well publicized so these numbers must be taken with a bit of common sense. Like Traks said, "know many people who've had it and recovered and are just fine." Most people who test positive aren't seriously ill and in ten days from their first positive test, will be perfectly fine and no longer contagious. Straight from CDC.
Most of us know this and understand it BUT the media and everyone on that side of the isle will only report the bad and how many more cases and such to look as bad as possible. Guaranteed allot of the "positive" cases aren't and deaths surely aren't but gotta make it look as bad as possible.
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Again, we need to think about the who and why of it. The who and why has been well publicized so these numbers must be taken with a bit of common sense. Like Traks said, "know many people who've had it and recovered and are just fine." Most people who test positive aren't seriously ill and in ten days from their first positive test, will be perfectly fine and no longer contagious. Straight from CDC.
Thank you doctor for your input. At present, the most new infections statewide are 20 - 29 year olds, who are the healthiest group and least likely to have complications. The demographics for Umatilla specifically aren't well publicized, so it's mostly unknown if large case numbers are related to lots of young people getting together, migrant workers, the reservation, nursing homes, large church gatherings or what. While you may "know many people who had it and recovered and are just fine", that is far from how many of the cases go. Since so many of the cases at present seem to involve younger people who have " moved on" from the virus, those would be the people that would be expected to have an easier time with the infection.
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I want to know if the water is still free in Milton.
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A helpful data visualization chart displaying Oregon's counties.
Yes, unfortunately Umatilla is #1.



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Most of us know this and understand it BUT the media and everyone on that side of the isle will only report the bad and how many more cases and such to look as bad as possible. Guaranteed allot of the "positive" cases aren't and deaths surely aren't but gotta make it look as bad as possible.
Soo, whats the good news from the media and everyone on the other "side of the isle"? How good as possible is it?

My kids ex took & moved their kids from two separate places in two different states, to two separate places in NE Oregon on both sides of the blue mtns a couple months ago, we told her this was a bad idea, not long after there was an outbreak, she ended up marring the guy she met online, the kids hate this guy, & want to move in with us, we are worried about child abuse or worse, but no can do, sorry that would be another bad idea.
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I want to know if the water is still free in Milton.
I like that town, spent a month there a few years back covering for a retired lady in Pendleton til they found a permanent replacement, wondered about the name, asked around town, nobody knew, it must have something to do with the Walla Walla river flowing thru town?
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Again, we need to think about the who and why of it. The who and why has been well publicized so these numbers must be taken with a bit of common sense. Like Traks said, "know many people who've had it and recovered and are just fine." Most people who test positive aren't seriously ill and in ten days from their first positive test, will be perfectly fine and no longer contagious. Straight from CDC.
Hold on a second before making blanket statements. We're still learning about this illness, and information is beginning to show that there is a real danger of heart damage, even in mild cases. Red Sox pitcher Edjuardo Rodriquez had a mild case (he's 27) and he's been diagnosed with an inflamed heart. Whether the damage is temporary or permanent is still being determined. In the following study, the median age for the males was 49, and 2/3 were never hospitalized.

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I see Umatilla county has just been put back to "stay in place" protocol by the governor for the next 21 days, while adjacent counties are back to phase 1 reopening. Worst numbers in the state in a county that I would think wouldn't have such a hard time of it.
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I see Umatilla county has just been put back to "stay in place" protocol by the governor for the next 21 days, while adjacent counties are back to phase 1 reopening. Worst numbers in the state in a county that I would think wouldn't have such a hard time of it.
This is absolutely absurd. This county is full of/primarily critical infrastructure and businesses. Closing these small businesses does nothing but hurt whole families. All the big food professors, big stores stay open etc etc. complete petunias!!!

Main Street will be dead and everyone else will be business as normal. I wrote on earlier threads that you could never tell Hermiston was closed down because most people work in the food industry of some type of “essential” business. Just shows the disconnect from our Govt who only sees numbers and doesn’t see the whole picture. Unbelievable.
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Restaurant, gyms, salons have already been decimated. Half or less of the people in my gym as normal, salons with plexiglass everywhere, restaurants barely opened. What on earth does the govt think closing the smallest segments of businesses in a County think she is accomplishing.
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Action is being taken because it has become impossible to trace contacts in Umatilla County. To control an outbreak, contact tracing is essential--this is a long established method of controlling pandemics. The only way to eliminate contacts is to decrease the number of contacts. If contact tracing is possible, shutdowns won't happen, but when tracing becomes impossible there is little choice other than to do what amounts to a quarantine of everyone. This isn't new, it has been used for well over a century.
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Action is being taken because it has become impossible to trace contacts in Umatilla County. To control an outbreak, contact tracing is essential--this is a long established method of controlling pandemics. The only way to eliminate contacts is to decrease the number of contacts. If contact tracing is possible, shutdowns won't happen, but when tracing becomes impossible there is little choice other than to do what amounts to a quarantine of everyone. This isn't new, it has been used for well over a century.

So leaving all the biggest businesses open and closing all the smallest business does what now, helps how? Like stated, almost the entire economy over here is based around “essential business”. This won’t do anything!
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Action is being taken because it has become impossible to trace contacts in Umatilla County. To control an outbreak, contact tracing is essential--this is a long established method of controlling pandemics. The only way to eliminate contacts is to decrease the number of contacts. If contact tracing is possible, shutdowns won't happen, but when tracing becomes impossible there is little choice other than to do what amounts to a quarantine of everyone. This isn't new, it has been used for well over a century.

Contact tracing on this scale is a fantasy, but it fits nicely into the fear/control agenda.


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Was at the Wildhorse Casino last weekend. Masks were required and vociferously enforced......and it was pretty much shoulder to shoulder Friday and Saturday nights. As busy as I have ever seen it on the floor.

Yes, this is not in the jurisdiction of the Governor, thank goodness.....but this is yet another reason why shutting down the "Main Street" businesses is not only worthless, it's insanity.

Almost zero trust in OR state government outside the Vallley, and this certainly doesn't help.



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The Umatilla enjoyed our visit, let's put it that way. :-)

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Was at the Wildhorse Casino last weekend. Masks were required and vociferously enforced......and it was pretty much shoulder to shoulder Friday and Saturday nights. As busy as I have ever seen it on the floor.

Yes, this is not in the jurisdiction of the Governor, thank goodness.....but this is yet another reason why shutting down the "Main Street" businesses is not only worthless, it's insanity.

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Were they still taking temperatures at the door? The tribe has been very pro active.
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Oh yes. Entrance was spread out, one by one, thermal scan for everyone.

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I guess that you aren't aware that TB was so prevalent that it killed 1 of every 7 Americans in the late 1800's, and the U.S. got control by identifying (testing) those infected, isolating them, and contact tracing and testing (once the TB bacillus was identified in the 1880's). Until the development of streptomycin there was no effective treatment. Also, a FYI, individuals and families that were identified positive were quarantined and paid a 'pension' so that they could stay home and not spread it around work places. Although the TB infectious agent is a bacteria, not a virus, it is spread in basically the same way and it can be controlled (but not cured) in the same way.
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I hope people forget all about Roman Gladiator history. I would pay good money to watch that if it made a repeat.
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I guess that you aren't aware that TB was so prevalent that it killed 1 of every 7 Americans in the late 1800's, and the U.S. got control by identifying (testing) those infected, isolating them, and contact tracing and testing (once the TB bacillus was identified in the 1880's). Until the development of streptomycin there was no effective treatment. Also, a FYI, individuals and families that were identified positive were quarantined and paid a 'pension' so that they could stay home and not spread it around work places. Although the TB infectious agent is a bacteria, not a virus, it is spread in basically the same way and it can be controlled (but not cured) in the same way.
Those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
How can you compare anything with a survivability rate over 99% with something that kills 1 in 7? That’s a terrible example to make your point, even if your showing the the relationship with contact tracing.
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How can you compare anything with a survivability rate over 99% with something that kills 1 in 7? That’s a terrible example to make your point, even if your showing the the relationship with contact tracing.
17.6 M cases world wide, 680K deaths, 3.8% death rate. Not fabricated US figures. Contact tracing doesn't have much to do with death rate.
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17.6 M cases world wide, 680K deaths, 3.8% death rate. Not fabricated US figures. Contact tracing doesn't have much to do with death rate.
Thank you for admitting your bias and total. They know there are vast swaths of people who are asymptomatic and that doesn’t include people who had it, recovered and never got tested. Completely ridiculous. We will never know how many people have had this, but we do know at least some of these covid deaths are being inflated.
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The researchers who came to Hermiston think 17% of the entire community have had it. But that doesn’t fit your narrative does it?
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The new shut-down in Umatilla County doesn't make sense to me. On the news this morning, it was reported that the majority of the so-called new outbreak is in agriculture processing where people work and live in close proximity with many other people. But these are considered essential businesses. Okay, it's our food production.

But for crying out loud, why close everything else down but not the places that are causing the new outbreak? It's just plain counter intuative.
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The researchers who came to Hermiston think 17% of the entire community have had it. But that doesn’t fit your narrative does it?
No narrative what so ever. Pointing out what the known world wide facts are known to be. What isn't known is asymptomatic patients, since almost all cases of true infection show at least one symptom. Also a positive test with " no" symptoms doesn't indicate a true infection nor does it prove that person is contagious. Also, while you seem to think covid deaths in the US are over reported, there are many in the medical community that think that world wide, they may be under reported, me included.

My main point was your comment regarding TB as a poor comparison to covid for contact tracing, while death rate really is irrelevant.

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The new shut-down in Umatilla County doesn't make sense to me. On the news this morning, it was reported that the majority of the so-called new outbreak is in agriculture processing where people work and live in close proximity with many other people. But these are considered essential businesses. Okay, it's our food production.

But for crying out loud, why close everything else down but not the places that are causing the new outbreak? It's just plain counter intuative.

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Regardless of watching the realities across our nation there will always be those among us not willing or able to see. The exact toll of the tens of thousands of Americans that have died for no other reason than denial and arrogance as if a virus understands bloviating manipulation and denial will never be known.

If folks want to continue down the failed path vs. engaging the only things we have witnessed working we will likely invite this menace to stay with us for a long time. Likewise, regardless of how people wish to claim and pursue their independence they can never escape the reality that they are part of the commons and our inescapable responsibility to that membership. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't understand or respond to rhetoric or economic worries.

Granted, one size doesn't fit all. Sometimes measures seem unnecessary based upon local conditions. But the fact remains we are losing this battle. On the world stage we have failed. t seems the best path forward is to go with what we know. Perhaps we can save lives and face at the same time.
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Regardless of watching the realities across our nation there will always be those among us not willing or able to see. The exact toll of the tens of thousands of Americans that have died for no other reason than denial and arrogance as if a virus understands bloviating manipulation and denial will never be known.

If folks want to continue down the failed path vs. engaging the only things we have witnessed working we will likely invite this menace to stay with us for a long time. Likewise, regardless of how people wish to claim and pursue their independence they can never escape the reality that they are part of the commons and our inescapable responsibility to that membership. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't understand or respond to rhetoric or economic worries.

Granted, one size doesn't fit all. Sometimes measures seem unnecessary based upon local conditions. But the fact remains we are losing this battle. On the world stage we have failed. t seems the best path forward is to go with what we know. Perhaps we can save lives and face at the same time.
Blind leading the blind divide & concur hate strategy straight out of the dictators playbook in full bloom is what I see, like you said, many either don't, can't, or refuse to see it, friends I've known for over 30 years that normally don't hate, are hating big time now, they think the BLM protests is whats causing the recent surge, it's all dependent on what news they watch, watch hate news daily, & hate can & does fill your heart. Very sad times were in, where failure is not an option, but failing we are.
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Some of the foundations for division are not obvious but are there to see. News report said gov Brown tried to work collaboratively with Umatilla Co commissioners but they were only willing to due what was mandated by state regarding shutdowns. So, gov is forced to make hard decision while commissioners avoid the ire of citizens (can't blame them for not wanting to be the bad guys in a small community where most know each other). Problem with this is, rural/urban divide is further deepened and mistrust grows stronger.

As for infections vs jobs debate, public health and economy are not an either/or proposition... can't have one without the other. As the old Midas muffler commercial said... pay now or pay later.
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17.6 M cases world wide, 680K deaths, 3.8% death rate. Not fabricated US figures. Contact tracing doesn't have much to do with death rate.
And researches believe there are 12X as many unreported cases. What's the death toll now?
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Blind leading the blind divide & concur hate strategy straight out of the dictators playbook in full bloom is what I see, like you said, many either don't, can't, or refuse to see it, friends I've known for over 30 years that normally don't hate, are hating big time now, they think the BLM protests is whats causing the recent surge, it's all dependent on what news they watch, watch hate news daily, & hate can & does fill your heart. Very sad times were in, where failure is not an option, but failing we are.
For what it's worth I attended protest in Portland. Mask wearing was at or near 100% out of what appeared to be a couple of thousand folks the evenings I was there. Can only recall two people sitting on the curb chatting with their masks down. (Of course some of the masks were enhanced masks (tear gas) with canisters, goggles, helmets etc...........). Most were more conventional like mine.
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For what it's worth I attended protest in Portland. Mask wearing was at or near 100% out of what appeared to be a couple of thousand folks the evenings I was there. Can only recall two people sitting on the curb chatting with their masks down. (Of course some of the masks were enhanced masks (tear gas) with canisters, goggles, helmets etc...........). Most were more conventional like mine.
Eugene has had daily protests the past couple months, some got out of hand, even to riot level a couple times, arrests were made, as they should, Springfield has had a couple protests only lately, last one got out of hand last week, & arrests were made, as they should, but it appeared the only people not wearing masks were the police. My friend claimed most protesters were not wearing masks in Portland, I said early on maybe, but most I saw on our local news station here lately were wearing masks, than he said they were not SD, I said true, most did not appear to be SD, but most had masks on, than I said, if don't believe me, go down there & take a look for yourself, he declined, preferring his news source of choice, than I said, it appears to me they are trying to start a civil war, if that happens are you gonna pick sides, & fight?, or stay out of it?, he said stay out of it, I said, so than why are you picking sides now? Like I said, I never thought I'd see so much hate in normally mellow people.
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And researches believe there are 12X as many unreported cases. What's the death toll now?
The death toll is the same, 680K. That figure of 12X is opinion only by a limited number of individuals researchers, and absolutely unproven. It's also irrelevant, as 680K have died, and that figure is thought to be under reported on a world wide basis.
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The death toll is the same, 680K. That figure of 12X is opinion only by a limited number of individuals researchers, and absolutely unproven. It's also irrelevant, as 680K have died, and that figure is thought to be under reported on a world wide basis.
That’s such a petunia post. That 680k figure you say is thought to be “under reported”, is thought by many to be “over reported”. See what I did there? I’m not a doctor and I can be as accurate as you are and have an opinion like you and not have it mean either.

Sick and weak people die everyday in this country from all kinds of things. It’s sad and yes more people in that category will die from this. My father has been battling cancer for going on four years and is in remission. He is absolutely careful and is doing nothing right now and rightfully so. I haven’t seen them or had a family dinner since March so you people’s petunias that people with an opinion about staying open don’t care about others or are killing other people is totally misguided and unfounded.

They think 1 in 7 people in the town I live in has already had it. Explain why we should close the smallest business again? The political crap and acting like we are gonna Save every human being at the cost of millions of jobs is horrifically wrong IMO.
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That’s such a petunia post. That 680k figure you say is thought to be “under reported”, is thought by many to be “over reported”. See what I did there? I’m not a doctor and I can be as accurate as you are and have an opinion like you and not have it mean either.



Sick and weak people die everyday in this country from all kinds of things. It’s sad and yes more people in that category will die from this. My father has been battling cancer for going on four years and is in remission. He is absolutely careful and is doing nothing right now and rightfully so. I haven’t seen them or had a family dinner since March so you people’s petunias that people with an opinion about staying open don’t care about others or are killing other people is totally misguided and unfounded.



They think 1 in 7 people in the town I live in has already had it. Explain why we should close the smallest business again? The political crap and acting like we are gonna Save every human being at the cost of millions of jobs is horrifically wrong IMO.
Absolutely.

I deliver food a couple times a week, mow lawn, etc, to my mom's and godmothers houses. They don't go out unless critical (doctor visits mostly). There are programs in every town, public and private, to make sure that these high risk people don't have to leave their homes.

It isn't going away, even Fauci said very early on it was here to stay.

"Flatten the curve", not save every single life. Simply ain't gonna happen.



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"Morrow County ranks 70th and Umatilla County ranks 75th in per capita new coronavirus infection rates among the more than 3,000 counties in the United States, according to an analysis of state health records by The New York Times.

Brown said the state’s own metrics showed Umatilla has the state’s highest COVID-19 infection rate — 234 positive cases per 10,000 residents. Morrow County reported 213 cases per 10,000 people.

The weekly percentage of tests that come back positive in Umatilla County is 23%, well above the statewide average of 5.1 percent. Morrow County’s positive test rate is even higher — 30%."


These counties have a huge problem. Folks focus on deaths and while important, the life-long impacts of C19 on some people and their shortened life spans is something we'll be dealing with for years to come.

Similar to Vietnam and Agent Orange.
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That’s such a petunia post. That 680k figure you say is thought to be “under reported”, is thought by many to be “over reported”. See what I did there? I’m not a doctor and I can be as accurate as you are and have an opinion like you and not have it mean either.

Sick and weak people die everyday in this country from all kinds of things. It’s sad and yes more people in that category will die from this. My father has been battling cancer for going on four years and is in remission. He is absolutely careful and is doing nothing right now and rightfully so. I haven’t seen them or had a family dinner since March so you people’s petunias that people with an opinion about staying open don’t care about others or are killing other people is totally misguided and unfounded.

They think 1 in 7 people in the town I live in has already had it. Explain why we should close the smallest business again? The political crap and acting like we are gonna Save every human being at the cost of millions of jobs is horrifically wrong IMO.

I haven't heard anyone express that we are attempting to save every human being from the lethality of the virus. We are nowhere near that accomplishment. In fact, after just reviewing the current worldwide statistics and using any comparison model out there, we have done a deplorable job addressing this virus. Yet it is said we have some of the world's best resources and expertise to address a situation such as this. The truth is we have sucked. It appears we are currently paying the price for what I could only term as arrogance, disorganization and monumental mismanagement. We have had no discernable, definable, cohesive, collaborative, comprehensive, or universal adaptation of best management practices nationwide that (based upon results elsewhere on the globe) may have produced much better or universal results. I personally believe our actions have invited this menace to stay with us for a long time and our death tally is nowhere near the end. We lead the world and I believe lengthened our exposure to dealing with it. Our fragmented chaos has cemented our distinction as the best of the best by a huge margin. An ugly trajectory. I completely understand the frustrations you express, but unfortunately we all know about employing the same behaviors and expecting different results as much as we understand one size doesn't fit all. It sucks like all get-out, but I bet we are going to have to really buckle down. In some cases it's likely to seem unfair. But, as it is right now the road to recovery as a nation looks long and steep. With what we know by watching the nations that have been successful we are the only ones that can decide how we are going to do it and how many people will die. I also fear if we insist on starting school too early we could pay a huge price. Fragmentation of that process by starting and stopping and passing the virus to working family members at home will never serve anyone. We are also about to get an ugly lesson about the folly of insisting that we attach our healthcare to our employment. How many folks have already become unemployed? We could have stopped a lot of this. When we get a vaccine developed the issue won't be over either. We will have a huge fight over delivery methods and availability while also dealing with anti-vaxxers helping to keep it alive and kicking.
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From Oregon's hard hit Umatilla County, this county commissioner (note the focus on the immediate mortality rate, ignoring the long term effects):


"Hermiston City Councilor David McCarthy said he isn’t “particularly excited” about the governor’s new stay-home orders, but he doesn’t know what the answer is “when literally everywhere seems like it’s on fire.”
He said he’s a member of a community Facebook group where many users shrug off the county’s COVID-19 death rate, which the Oregon Health Authority says is about 1%. That’s half the statewide average of 2%, and even farther below counties such as Polk, Linn and Benton with 4% death rates and Wallowa with a 5% death rate, according to the Oregon Health Authority.


“With a 1% mortality rate, they’re saying I’ll take my chances,” McCarthy said. “It’s unfortunate because 1% of Umatilla County is 780 people. Are we OK with 780 people dying? I’m not.”


The Oregon Health Authority has identified nearly 2,000 coronavirus cases in Umatilla County and 24 deaths, as of Saturday."
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From Oregon's hard hit Umatilla County, this county commissioner (note the focus on the immediate mortality rate, ignoring the long term effects):


"Hermiston City Councilor David McCarthy said he isn’t “particularly excited” about the governor’s new stay-home orders, but he doesn’t know what the answer is “when literally everywhere seems like it’s on fire.”
He said he’s a member of a community Facebook group where many users shrug off the county’s COVID-19 death rate, which the Oregon Health Authority says is about 1%. That’s half the statewide average of 2%, and even farther below counties such as Polk, Linn and Benton with 4% death rates and Wallowa with a 5% death rate, according to the Oregon Health Authority.


“With a 1% mortality rate, they’re saying I’ll take my chances,” McCarthy said. “It’s unfortunate because 1% of Umatilla County is 780 people. Are we OK with 780 people dying? I’m not.”


The Oregon Health Authority has identified nearly 2,000 coronavirus cases in Umatilla County and 24 deaths, as of Saturday."
Oregon state think 1 in 7 in the city of Hermiston have been infected. That’s over 2500 people alone right there. If 10% of the whole county has been infected that’s over 7500 people. The death rate isn’t 1% folks not even close. The researchers and scientists say one thing and then the community organizers, politicians And everyone else who literally has no clue pipes up. Literally none of us know what’s going on. To think we have 1% mortality rate is to think we have caught every single case of covid. Literally impossible. But with only loosing 24 people and hospitals looking for every excuse to mark them a covid death I think it’s safe to say 1% way to high.

This is gonna be fascinating to watch because the vast MAJORITY of Umatilla county is essential business. The stay at home and safe lives order is laughable. Let’s see let’s close the three gyms in town the dozen or so salons, most restaurants have takeouts and delivery down pat now and were never fully re opened anyway. Oh yea that’s gonna safe us.
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Oregon state think 1 in 7 in the city of Hermiston have been infected. That’s over 2500 people alone right there. If 10% of the whole county has been infected that’s over 7500 people. The death rate isn’t 1% folks not even close. The researchers and scientists say one thing and then the community organizers, politicians And everyone else who literally has no clue pipes up. Literally none of us know what’s going on. To think we have 1% mortality rate is to think we have caught every single case of covid. Literally impossible. But with only loosing 24 people and hospitals looking for every excuse to mark them a covid death I think it’s safe to say 1% way to high.

This is gonna be fascinating to watch because the vast MAJORITY of Umatilla county is essential business. The stay at home and safe lives order is laughable. Let’s see let’s close the three gyms in town the dozen or so salons, most restaurants have takeouts and delivery down pat now and were never fully re opened anyway. Oh yea that’s gonna safe us.
Not to mention at this point in the hand-wringing, the kids won't be going back to "regular" school in years.

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The plan is...there is no plan, never has been a plan at the national level, in a national/world pandemic crisis, that is big time failure of leadership period, instead we got only a whole lot of wishful thinking that did not pan out, who'ed thunk it, using non scientific fantasy wishful thinking did/does not make this virus "go away" with the heat, heck it appears this virus actually likes heat? still a month of summer heat to go, whats the next wishful thinking? the virus will "go away" with the fall cooling? a vaccine will be available by fall? 157k dead now, & yes its widely suspected the actual #'s are 20% to 30% higher, does it really matter what the actual total cases or deaths are? isn't this bad enough to say we have failed, & continue to fail? 180k expected by months end, looks like we'll easily pass 250k by years end.
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That’s such a petunia post. That 680k figure you say is thought to be “under reported”, is thought by many to be “over reported”. See what I did there? I’m not a doctor and I can be as accurate as you are and have an opinion like you and not have it mean either.

I haven’t seen them or had a family dinner since March so you people’s petunias that people with an opinion about staying open don’t care about others or are killing other people is totally misguided and unfounded.

They think 1 in 7 people in the town I live in has already had it. Explain why we should close the smallest business again? The political crap and acting like we are gonna Save every human being at the cost of millions of jobs is horrifically wrong IMO.
And you got all this from me saying the world wide death total was 680K, and the comparison of using TB as an example regarding contact tracing. Where did I say you don't care? Where did I say anything about the governor's closures? Where did I say anything about saving every life? You're making a lot of assumptions. You're welcome to your opinions just like everyone else is, but my opinion is this disease is far more serious than you appear to consider it based on all your posts.
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What would “good” leadership look like during a pandemic with no cure or vaccine? Shutting the entire economy down and ruining this country trying to save a few extra lives?
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What do you consider "a few extra lives" ? The majority of the country has pretty much opened their economy, with many people ignoring the guidelines. How is that working out? Maybe just wear your masks, social distance as you're asked, and that's the best we can do to keep things open and going until better treatment comes along.
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What do you consider "a few extra lives" ? The majority of the country has pretty much opened their economy, with many people ignoring the guidelines. How is that working out? Maybe just wear your masks, social distance as you're asked, and that's the best we can do to keep things open and going until better treatment comes along.
I don’t think it’s worth ruining the entire American economy for 1,000,000 lives. Not while ruining the lives of tens of millions.
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We had the clear advantage of having a dynamic worldwide living laboratory to observe through the efforts of other advanced nations. We watched what worked, didn't work, and had access to the most educated scientific minds on the planet. Sycophantic denial, misinformation, and the absence of any discernible, cohesive leadership has put an exclamation point on our abject failure to address the problem in a unified and comprehensive manner. That's reality. We had tools. We had rhetoric and we had reality. Science is compatible with reality. We ate our fill of the marketing of denial and misinformation. We are going to lose a few hundred thousand Americans, decimate the economy, and spend years trying to right the ship. That's reality as well. I don't know about you, but I can actually feel the collective head-shaking of the entire world that has observed our failure. The comparative statistics are mind numbing. We haven't just won the No.1 spot we set a bar beyond belief. However, this is America, I suspect we will prevail, we always do. I hope so. This is gut wrenching. I hope we are paying attention to poor choices, good choices, and eventually open to remembering history.
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How about what other successful countries did? Seems they got the virus under control, & their economy(s) back on track, while we failed both big time.
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How about what other successful countries did? Seems they got the virus under control, & their economy(s) back on track, while we failed both big time.
Which countries might those be.....specially which countries got the virus under control, aren't experiencing resurgence of the virus, enjoy the same Constitutional liberties we do.....and aren't a remote island nation that just locked down all travel?

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[QUOTE=TheRogue;16433509]Which countries might those be.....specially which countries got the virus under control, aren't experiencing resurgence of the virus, enjoy the same Constitutional liberties we do.....and aren't a remote island nation that just locked down all travel?

EU minus the not so remote island of the UK, & Sweden that took a different route than the rest of the EU.

To sum up our failure, you can't spin, lie, distort, negotiate a better deal,
or make up stuff with this pandemic virus, as it simply has, will, & is outpacing the propaganda machine.
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:40 PM   #60
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Default Re: Umatilla Co. tops Multnomah Co.

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Which countries might those be.....specially which countries got the virus under control, aren't experiencing resurgence of the virus, enjoy the same Constitutional liberties we do.....and aren't a remote island nation that just locked down all travel?

EU minus the not so remote island of the UK, & Sweden that took a different route than the rest of the EU.

To sum up our failure, you can't spin, lie, distort, negotiate a better deal,
or make up stuff with this pandemic virus, as it simply has, will, & is outpacing the propaganda machine.
Um, Spain? France is spinning back up again?

Sweden chose to not shut down at all, but to have specific restrictions in place......and they are about in the middle.

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