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Old 04-20-2020, 10:29 AM   #1
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As of today we are in hold, awaiting a decline in the curve for 14 days.

Where are we anyway?

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Wikipedia shows a 5 day moving average for new cases in Oregon, it’s dropping significantly.
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Here ya go: https://public.tableau.com/profile/o...eOptions=false
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The Scoreboard:
https://govstatus.egov.com/OR-OHA-COVID-19


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Thanks....so how many days till a pivotal date?


Those look encouraging.... maybe I missed it?
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My crystal ball has a dead battery.


Stats probably aren't very accurate as they apply to the general public who are still out running around and appear healthy or have a mild undiagnosed case, have recovered on their own and immune and those with natural immunity. Stats are built on what they do know, not what they don't know. What they don't know involves over 90% of us.
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Is there even a plan? Seems everyday Kate should say, we are HERE, and in 6 days we will do THIS.
All she is doing is making the May rally HUGE.....

I am really getting confused.....

I can’t help but laugh sometimes....as soon as we get a vaccine? Okay let’s rely on that plan.
as soon as we get a billion tests, ..? Then calculate the data? Better print about 80 trillion stimulus dollars.

I just got a good gut laugh, on tv a minute ago.... here is what I heard..

“Everyday we are one day closer to the end”
“Remember we are all in this together”
“This to will come to a end”

Good gravy...I feel better now....

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The current plan is when this, and this, and this, and this happens then we can look at loosening our grip. A little. Maybe.
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The current plan is when this, and this, and this, and this happens then we can look at loosening our grip. A little. Maybe.
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Wishful thinking is not wisdom. I think we are close to a safe level to start a slow, & gradual opening wak, hang in there.
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Wishful thinking is not wisdom. I think we are close to a safe level to start a slow, & gradual opening wak, hang in there.
What's a "wak".
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Wishful thinking is not wisdom. I think we are close to a safe level to start a slow, & gradual opening wak, hang in there.
Ken, your my poster child for patience.....

I sure hope so, ...but they may need to bring one of those big ships here to handle those who have mental break downs.
I think there is bed with my name on it.

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I think there is bed with my name on it.
We are getting worried about you.

Everything is going to be just fine. You should find a sunny spot in the yard and read some writings on stoicism.
My favorite is some of the stuff that Admiral James Stockdale put out:

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We are getting worried about you.

Everything is going to be just fine. You should find a sunny spot in the yard and read some writings on stoicism.
My favorite is some of the stuff that Admiral James Stockdale put out:

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Douglas County should have had 23 cases today up from 22. However a previous case was a resident of another county and since been assigned to them. We're doing our part to flatten the curve.
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... We're doing our part to flatten the curve.

Thanks for helping.
Oregon is on a statistical plateau. How long it lasts before a significant downward decline is anyone's guess.
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I live smack dab in the middle of THC paradise, well I am actually surrounded.
My neighbors seem pretty cool about STUFF.... wonder why that is?

Probably because it's the the best anti-anxiety medicine, by far.
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because we haven't done enough previous testing the curve means nothing, really. The way the WA university tracker works makes as much sense as predicting who will win a mile by the runner's height and weight. If the covid outbreak were a mile, their method is every hundred yards they measure the time for that distance and use it to predict the time for the next hundred yards. That isn't an accurate way to make a prediction until the final hundred yards of the race. Testing has ramped up in Oregon to about 9.5 residents for every thousand. Oregon still is not testing anyone without symptoms or contact with someone that has tested positive, so take all numbers with a grain of salt.

That said, the number of new cases identified in Oregon, during the past 7 days, has increased 19.78%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=775038994
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because we haven't done enough previous testing the curve means nothing, really. The way the WA university tracker works makes as much sense as predicting who will win a mile by the runner's height and weight. If the covid outbreak were a mile, their method is every hundred yards they measure the time for that distance and use it to predict the time for the next hundred yards. That isn't an accurate way to make a prediction until the final hundred yards of the race. Testing has ramped up in Oregon to about 9.5 residents for every thousand. Oregon still is not testing anyone without symptoms or contact with someone that has tested positive, so take all numbers with a grain of salt.

That said, the number of new cases identified in Oregon, during the past 7 days, has increased 19.78%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=775038994
That's actually a significant improvement over the increase the previous week, from a percentage and an overall number standpoint.
In the 7 days from the 7th to the 14th, Oregon picked up 452 new cases, which was a whopping 38% increase.


https://covidtracking.com/data/state/oregon#historical



The 19.78% increase represents only 323 new cases by comparison.


So the actual number of new cases is dropping, not just the rate.
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Good research thanks...so where’s the Governor’s interpretation, since she holds the keys.
Any one heard from Kate lately?
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Good research thanks...so where’s the Governor’s interpretation, since she holds the keys.
Any one heard from Kate lately?

https://www.koin.com/news/health/cor...reopen-oregon/
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Every single business in Oregon can and should be open right now, every single business can limit the amount of customers At a time, can require face masks and take protective measures. It is completely unfair that Home Depot is open and other more single tier business like a brand new Sherman Williams store in hermiston aren’t allowed to be open accept curbside pickup. If brown were to open everything completely up tomorrow I don’t see things going back to normal for a while. The govt. choosing who is “essential” and who isn’t is total petunias. You cannot tell driving down 395 in Hermiston that anything is going on different. People are gonna die yes but lives and businesses are being ruined every day this goes on. We cannot stop progress to try and save a few hundred or even a few thousand people.
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Thanks.... that’s about a vague she can get, addressing not even a tenth of Oregonians questions....regarding hospitals, testing, present stats, recreation access, economy, ....

Phase 1 is basically the same as today, and she says it will be finalized May 4, (13 days from now?) she didn’t say implemented, but probably about the same.

She must be living in a cave, most of this area is already passing phase 1 , as far as traveling around, in stores, construction going on everywhere .... it is bad though for the suffering hospital patients, and some businesses.

I think folks are going to reopen Oregon anyway, she may want to get ahead of it.

Thanks for the link, hadn’t seen it ....

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Hey Dan. Saw in the Oregonian this morning that Kate is thinking about lifting travel restrictions !? I hope she thinks real hard. Let's get these boat ramps open and go fishing. Looks like Oregon, for whatever reason, hasn't been hit that hard. Sure, it's terrible for people that have been hit hard. I feel for them. We have to remember, the flu kills thousands every year.
I worked for the government for 35 years. This I know. They are usually behind the curve and react late. They then go overboard with all the regulation and the pendulum swings way too far. Then it takes them forever to get back to the way it was before . See ya Dan !
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People are gonna die yes but lives and businesses are being ruined every day this goes on. We cannot stop progress to try and save a few hundred or even a few thousand people.
Lives and businesses may be temporarily ruined or damaged, but you can come back from that. It's pretty hard to come back from dead. So a few thousand lives are worth returning to business as usual? That's great as long as it's not yours or a family member. I think that lives are a little more important than that.
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Every single business in Oregon can and should be open right now, every single business can limit the amount of customers At a time, can require face masks and take protective measures. It is completely unfair that Home Depot is open and other more single tier business like a brand new Sherman Williams store in hermiston aren’t allowed to be open accept curbside pickup. If brown were to open everything completely up tomorrow I don’t see things going back to normal for a while. The govt. choosing who is “essential” and who isn’t is total petunias. You cannot tell driving down 395 in Hermiston that anything is going on different. People are gonna die yes but lives and businesses are being ruined every day this goes on. We cannot stop progress to try and save a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

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Will be interesting to see the results from TRACE in Corvallis

I haven’t seen it discussed here. But, OSU is starting to test the population at random. Going door to door. They’ve started this week

Wak - guess who one of the principal investigators on the project is? Hint, she’s your favorite OSU scientist!

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DHS sets whats essential. One of the fed guidelines to when a slow opening can occur is when new cases fall for 14 straight days. Testing is part of the safe slow opening, but lacks in Oregon, & testing supplies are limited world wide, total death projections in Oregon continues to drop as social distancing is working. My guess is a slow, & gradual opening will start within 2 weeks.
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I haven’t seen anywhere that says because the economy opens up that everyone has to go back out. If individual people/families groups want or need to stay quarantined so be it. That’s aside from the point that enough things are open anyways that it’s not a true quarantine anyway!!! Just fewer winners right?!? Shove more people though a smaller amount of essential businesses and close the masses is completely arbitrary. We know who is “most” at risk. Stay home, your not required to go out if you don’t want to.
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Thanks.... that’s about a vague she can get, addressing not even a tenth of Oregonians questions....regarding hospitals, testing, present stats, recreation access, economy, ....

Phase 1 is basically the same as today, and she says it will be finalized May 4, (13 days from now?) she didn’t say implemented, but probably about the same.

She must be living in a cave, most of this area is already in phase as far as traveling around, in stores, construction going on everywhere .... it is bad though for the suffering hospital patients, and some businesses.

I think folks are going to reopen Oregon anyway, she may want to get ahead of it.

Thanks for the link, hadn’t seen it ....

You're welcome Wak. Ya, it had only been out an hour or two when I posted it. My take is that it's time to back pedal on the panic, but they can't do it too fast, or they will look silly. Can't have that now, can we?

I'm guessing that the door to door, random sample testing by OSU in Corvallis (and the USC studies,etc.) will show that the majority of the population has already been exposed. Then we can concentrate on protecting the most vulnerable, and the majority can head back towards "normal".


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If our Sunriver business is not billing something before 5/25. it is likely to be closed. Negative income can only last so long. Then it is over. Oregon runs on taxable income. Oregon has no printing press. It must have open businesses to feed its operation. We will no longer be feeding Oregon's engine, unless it opens back up in the next few weeks. That is the data the keep it closed, sleepers need to understand.
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Lives and businesses may be temporarily ruined or damaged, but you can come back from that. It's pretty hard to come back from dead. So a few thousand lives are worth returning to business as usual? That's great as long as it's not yours or a family member. I think that lives are a little more important than that.
Some folks only have one picture in theirs heads....bodies stacked , land of the dead....
Most posters, care very deeply about people’s health, lively hoods , the overall economy. That why most advocate for strict safety procedures while moving forward.

47sgs, May I ask you a question,? since you do seem very concerned.
Today we have gone for a month under a directive for hospitals to postpone care. Beds are empty and medical staff on leave ( my daughter is a Rn)
47sgs..... What do you propose,? what would you say to the 2 Ifish brothers who’s , wife is suffering and needs back surgery, or the granddaughter with a hole in her heart

What is your path forward.....?
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Will be interesting to see the results from TRACE in Corvallis

I haven’t seen it discussed here. But, OSU is starting to test the population at random. Going door to door. They’ve started this week

Wak - guess who one of the principal investigators on the project is? Hint, she’s your favorite OSU scientist!
Jane?
I hope she does better counting people than she did fish.

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Yep. J-Lu.

It’s the first I heard of testing on a decent sized scale to tell us where we actually are with this thing

Not to slight winterkill’s study, just the sample size will be bigger
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Those who fear the virus are free to do whatever they feel necessary to protect themselves. Those who have a lesser concern, should be free (within reason) to do whatever they like. Those exercising the greatest precaution will not cross paths with those who don't so infection will not cross the fear driven self imposed barriers. I simply don't understand how the virus will spread from thousands of spectators at an event who weigh the risk, to those confined to their homes. Doesn't make sense. It's all about making choices, it's not an automatic death sentence for those who choose to ignore. Maybe we should shut down nursing homes to protect the elderly?
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https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...afe-to-reopen/

I figure whatever California does, Oregon will copy. It's worked so far.

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California could fall below 1 prevalent case per 1 million by mid-May, on track to begin easing social distancing measures the week of May 18.

What does that mean? First, that ratio: It estimates when there will be one or fewer active cases per 1 million residents in a state, meant to “represent a conservative estimate of the number of infections each location could reasonably try to identify via active case detection and contact tracing in order to prevent COVID-19 resurgence,” the researchers wrote. The lower the prevalence rate when a state reopens, the lower the chances of a resurgence in cases.

Few states are on a faster track to reopen than California, according to the model. Its May 18 timeline aligns with Washington and Nevada, for example, but is a week behind Alaska and Idaho. There are 15 states that will need to remain locked down beyond the first week of June, according to the model.
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I am firmly in the lets start opening things boat.

I say this with a few caveats like the below;

1. open restaurants but implement them keeping distance (6 feet between other tables). Dont open bars (as they are social). this would allow the restaurant industry to slowly ramp up while keeping contact to a minimum.

I dont want things to go back to how it was before quite yet, but I think if our gov decided to gradually open and allow people to wander about a little more (while doing it in a safe way) that things will progress back to how things were.

FYI I am not a good debater, but I want people to be safe, and I want people to be able to start going about thier lives. There is no silver bullet it will all be about give and take.
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Wal mart just reported they will require all employees to wear masks.
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Old 04-21-2020, 08:41 AM   #43
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My guess is the vast majority of people who want it to stay shut down are either
A. Retired
B. Deemed essential and drawing normal wages from home

How many state employees were laid off without benefits? How many state employees have been trying for weeks just to get through to the absolute cluster called Oregon unemployment?

What a joke, “stay home, save lives”. Sure, if you have an income stream coming in to keep paying for your super safe trips to Home Depot, Walmart and Costco. Amazon keeps dropping cardboard boxes packed by people of unknown status and dropping it at your doors.
Open it up.
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In Multnomah Village there is a toy store, before the order he changed his store front to be where people shopped. They would look, decide what they purchase and then go to the door where they would pay and receive the product. Always maintain 6ft space between customers and mitigated his exposure.

GameStop did something similar. Had two squares and a table outside the door. You called the store. They pulled the product. You put your payment on the table and stand I. The square. Then they took the payment and returned with your product. After the store was closed back up you got your product and payment method back.

Our grandparents use to “Window shop” down town. The front windows were displayed in a fashion to promote sales with out filling up the inside of the store. We have morphed our shopping style more to akin of a cattle chute.

After the 1918 flu pandemic, it took society 6 years to get back to normal. Not government imposed just society in general was hesitant. We will see societal change from this.

Did we go to far with the stay at home orders, probably. But all those talking about personal responsibility just remember the thousands that flocked to public spaces when we were asked. This order is a direct result of our personal actions. If you don’t want to be regulated you must make it where your not regulated.

So because of society’s action the gate won’t be just opened. We already proved we are not capable of it.


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We all know ourselves & our families livelyhoods are "essential" no matter what DHS or anybody says, stay home did & continues to save lives, at some point & I believe we are close to that point, stay home restrictions will be slowly lifted, Ore, Wash, & Calif are working together from a business perspective, as are the NE states, & now Florida, & Georgia, only time will tell who has the best risk vrs economies strategy. My guess is Oregon will go along with Wash, & Calif as for interstate business's, local business's, fishing, hunting & other outdoor activities will/should be treated on a individual state by state timeline, in other words, I don't think Oregon will wait til the third week of May to start easing restrictions., late April to early May is my guess.
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I'm guessing that the door to door, random sample testing by OSU in Corvallis (and the USC studies,etc.) will show that the majority of the population has already been exposed


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Will you still place the bet it the word “majority” was changed to “ a number greater than previously believed”.

This is what I am hoping for.
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Some folks only have one picture in theirs heads....bodies stacked , land of the dead....
Most posters, care very deeply about people’s health, lively hoods , the overall economy. That why most advocate for strict safety procedures while moving forward.

47sgs, May I ask you a question,? since you do seem very concerned.
Today we have gone for a month under a directive for hospitals to postpone care. Beds are empty and medical staff on leave ( my daughter is a Rn)
47sgs..... What do you propose,? what would you say to the 2 Ifish brothers who’s , wife is suffering and needs back surgery, or the granddaughter with a hole in her heart

What is your path forward.....?
First of all, the medical community is not completely shut down. If you have a toothache, dentists are still allowed and are doing emergency work, dermatologists will see you if there is something of real concern, ER is not going to let you just die of a heart attack, if something needs to be done on an emergency basis, it will be done. Elective procedures, things that can be stalled , are put on hold. What you consider needing to be done immediately, and what the medical staff determines can wait without risk of life, will likely not be the same. The purpose was to make beds available in case of potential overload due to the virus. That hasn't happened in Oregon fortunately, but some places it has. In addition, I think there is fear of potential SARS-coV-2 virus infection to people being treated for other things. I fully expect to see some loosening in the medical field before too long.

This virus has just reached it's peak in Oregon, and will take a little time for a significant drop. When that occurs, then is the time for gradual opening.
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Here is a presentation sent by the Gov's office to local leaders across the state:
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...nt/p13/a560747

Source: Bill Post.
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I look forward to returning to a time when only the sick were forced into quarantine.
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The purpose was to make beds available in case of potential overload due to the virus.
One of the other reasons is that they are also concerned with the lack of PPE's. By restricting all elective care to emergency care only and requiring all medical/dental/veterinary to donate (not sell) their surplus PPE's, the goal is to ensure that these equipment are available in the event of a surge of Covid19 cases, which never really occurred. Looking at the inventory info posted on the OHA's website, it doesn't appear that Oregon has secured sufficient PPE's and consequently I believe that unless this changes, the June 15th date that the Governor has implemented will remain the same. So, with the exception of emergency care, others within the medical/dental/veterinary field will be out for 3 months. Unbelievable.

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I'll take that bet. $100 to Meals on Wheels for whoever is wrong. Are we on?

I made the responsible decision to stop gambling about a month ago.
Alright fine, closing the casino might have affected my success .

I went back and read the article, instead of the quick glance I had given it.
Admittedly, majority may have been the wrong word, but definitely going to be showing a lot higher percent than previously thought.


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I read a lot of news and happened across one article this morning that posed the question, would NY be shut down if it didn't have half of the cases in the country. Take a couple east coast states that have 21 million people between them. Less than 850 cases. Would NY shut down if they had 850 cases in their population of 21 million? Serious question. And yet the entire country is playing by NY's playbook.
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My guess is the vast majority of people who want it to stay shut down are either
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Guess again. We've lost several thousand and I don't want it opened up yet. Otherwise all that money will have been for nothing.

Oregon is doing much better than the rest of the country because we took precautions early. The state will open soon enough. No reason to rush back into things until the peak has subsided a bit.

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Guess again. We've lost several thousand and I don't want it opened up yet. Otherwise all that money will have been for nothing.

Oregon is doing much better than the rest of the country because we took precautions early. The state will open soon enough. No reason to rush back into things until the peak has subsided a bit.

It's a process.
Lose more so what you've already lost will matter for something? Nothing personal but I'd rather recover some of what I've lost.
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First of all, the medical community is not completely shut down. If you have a toothache, dentists are still allowed and are doing emergency work, dermatologists will see you if there is something of real concern, ER is not going to let you just die of a heart attack, if something needs to be done on an emergency basis, it will be done. Elective procedures, things that can be stalled , are put on hold. What you consider needing to be done immediately, and what the medical staff determines can wait without risk of life, will likely not be the same. The purpose was to make beds available in case of potential overload due to the virus. That hasn't happened in Oregon fortunately, but some places it has. In addition, I think there is fear of potential SARS-coV-2 virus infection to people being treated for other things. I fully expect to see some loosening in the medical field before too long.

This virus has just reached it's peak in Oregon, and will take a little time for a significant drop. When that occurs, then is the time for gradual opening.
You sure like to misquote people,
Did I say it was completely shut down....
My daughter is a RN, was in Salem now in Bend, one friend is a er nurse in Lagrande , another here in the Rogue valley.....I think I will believe them and not you.

Your right, space was made for the POTENTIAL virus patients, and we have been talking about Oregon,..... the frustration is, our stats are becoming more apparent and some feel it is time to make adjustments.

I am pretty sure you have faith in Kate, I think she is disappointing...and detached.

It’s fine, everyone is talking hypotheticals now anyway,

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Lose more so what you've already lost will matter for something? Nothing personal but I'd rather recover some of what I've lost.
I'd rather lose a little more now, then open up while we are sitting at the peak, which will cost us even more money in the long run or potentially a second shutdown.

Stick with the plan or the plan is pointless. The plan was to lower the curve before reopening. We've flattened the curve.. We're sitting at the top of the peak, now we just have a few weeks to go while the daily cases subside.
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I'm afraid to look at how much we've lost, probably over $100k by now, Yes I'm glad to be still working, but know if this shutdown last much longer that can change, my job like most jobs relies on paying customers to stay afloat, loose those customers & we sink, my biggest fear other than catching this virus, & dying, & or loosing a loved one, is having to work til I'm 70 something, & I feel comparatively lucky. No way do I want the shutdown to last much longer, but it needs to be opened up safely, or we'll have to shut right back down.
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I'm afraid to look at how much we've lost, probably over $100k by now, Yes I'm glad to be still working, but know if this shutdown last much longer that can change, my job like most jobs relies on paying customers to stay afloat, loose those customers & we sink, my biggest fear other than catching this virus, & dying, & or loosing a loved one, is having to work til I'm 70 something, & I feel comparatively lucky. No way do I want the shutdown to last much longer, but it needs to be opened up safely, or we'll have to shut right back down.
Yep. It's a simple concept, and the governors of all three states are going to roll this out when they see fit and not a moment sooner.. So it's kind of silly thing to be upset over. We knew this was coming, and so far things have been going about as well as we could have hoped on the west coast.
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Will you still place the bet it the word “majority” was changed to “ a number greater than previously believed”.

This is what I am hoping for.
I can do the math. Let me. The U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt has a crew of about 4800 sailors. They've tested them, and 600 have tested positive (60% of the positives are asymptomatic). That means, on a ship that is essentially an enclosed area with little to no chance of social distancing that the infection rate is 12.5%. If you want to continue to assert than a population under shutdown and practicing social distancing has an infection rate higher than on the U.S.S. Roosevelt, WE ARE ON.
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