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Old 12-28-2019, 07:09 AM   #1
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Hey dorymen, when will it get back to normal?

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After the subduction quake and resulting tsunami wash the hotel, condos, and pub away.
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Well, it would be a nice thing for the Pelican pop stand to survive. Just sayin' ...

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Im going to be first one there after the big washout, full kegs on the beach and no waiting in line
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The “new” beach isn’t going to be where the current one is. Might be able to order up a beer from the boat.
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All the kegs will be inland a few miles.
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From the access road North, the terrain has rock underpinnings, and that should keep $350+ per night edifice of ugliness from sloughing into the sea. Even the parking lot is on solid land, I think. From there South, about to the next corner, when I was young, It was not too uncommon to find drift logs on the road to PC. The beach grass dune provided protection.

Skip knows much more than myself about planting the grass and the timeline. All I have is vague memories.

I think Dad summed it up best, when he saw all the development. "That all washed and blew in there, it can wash back out as well".

Of course at that time, memories of the ocean deciding to make a south channel on Tillamook Bay at Cape Meares were fresh.
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Well, it would be a nice thing for the Pelican pop stand to survive. Just sayin' ...

Ya if your a tourist from New Mexico.. Just sayin

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It depends how you define “normal”?
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Old 12-28-2019, 02:01 PM   #10
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From the access road North, the terrain has rock underpinnings, and that should keep $350+ per night edifice of ugliness from sloughing into the sea. Even the parking lot is on solid land, I think. From there South, about to the next corner, when I was young, It was not too uncommon to find drift logs on the road to PC. The beach grass dune provided protection.

Skip knows much more than myself about planting the grass and the timeline. All I have is vague memories.

I think Dad summed it up best, when he saw all the development. "That all washed and blew in there, it can wash back out as well".

Of course at that time, memories of the ocean deciding to make a south channel on Tillamook Bay at Cape Meares were fresh.
Boy, it was a while back! I think us local kids started planting the beach grass for Mrs. Webb (hmm, does 'Webb Park" ring a bell?) around 1959? Little did anyone realize (or give a crap?) that it was not the 'native' beach grass. No houses from the Kiawanda Hall to the Cape. The road to the Cape was known as "The Cape Road." The Cape Road dead-ended at the Cape. (except for a very rough, nearly impassable trail/road that went to the South end of McPhippips Beach, which was used by the Coast Guard years before.)

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Old 12-29-2019, 08:36 PM   #11
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Could you imagine leaving your commercial Dory on the beach at 'The Cape' for the season with all of your commercial gear, motors, (usually two 15/18 hp Evinrudes or Johnsons) full fuel cans, and whatever else? Well, my Dad and his commercial fishing partner, Ted Cross, along with a number of other Dorymen used to leave their Dories on the beach at Cape Kiwanda. Skip.
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Here are a couple photos of the beach and ramp as of this morning.
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Turning to a gravel bar?
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This year the Chamber of Commerce is asking each tourist to bring a bucket of sand when they visit the Cape.

They expect to have a surplus of sand by July 4th
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This year the Chamber of Commerce is asking each tourist to bring a bucket of sand when they visit the Cape.

They expect to have a surplus of sand by July 4th
Good idea. The Chamber should also ask the tourists to take a bucket of rocks when the leave. That should speed up the process.
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This year the Chamber of Commerce is asking each tourist to bring a bucket of sand when they visit the Cape.

They expect to have a surplus of sand by July 4th
.......and they will be required to purchase the old Invasive Species Permit for each bucket used to import the sand.
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Just have the excavators that do the home sand removal put it over on the dory beach. Semi joking...
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For perspective, a simple math exercise. Given that 1 million seconds equals 11 days and that 1 billion seconds equals 31.5 years.


Knowing how many grains of sand are in a bucket and how many buckets would be needed to cover those rocks with 2 feet of sand should tell us how many grains of sand are needed to bring the beach back to "normal".

Probably easier to just wait for normal to return or adapt to the new "normal"
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Old 01-02-2020, 08:32 PM   #19
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Just curious...would WW2 landing mats help? Those mats that were used in Normandy and the Pacific Theater used by the SeeBees to set up a landing strip for planes on soft soil. I know they had some metal types but I believe they also used a fabric or fiber mat like a big net. If really soft, use more layers.
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Just curious...would WW2 landing mats help? Those mats that were used in Normandy and the Pacific Theater used by the SeeBees to set up a landing strip for planes on soft soil. I know they had some metal types but I believe they also used a fabric or fiber mat like a big net. If really soft, use more layers.
Marsh mats.
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For perspective, a simple math exercise. Given that 1 million seconds equals 11 days and that 1 billion seconds equals 31.5 years.


Knowing how many grains of sand are in a bucket and how many buckets would be needed to cover those rocks with 2 feet of sand should tell us how many grains of sand are needed to bring the beach back to "normal".

Probably easier to just wait for normal to return or adapt to the new "normal"
You haven’t factored in the vast quantities of tourists
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This tourist would have been all over that beach for agates on Day One if I still lived in good old Oregon.
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The ocean is predicted to be angry the next couple weeks. That big south swell/wind should hopefully bring some sand with it.
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Stopped by to look today WOW what a change
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This tourist would have been all over that beach for agates on Day One if I still lived in good old Oregon.
A few years ago McPhillips beach was stripped of sand right down to “bedrock”. More like hard mud flow.

Locals combed the area for fossils.
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The ocean is predicted to be angry the next couple weeks. That big south swell/wind should hopefully bring some sand with it.
I'm not seeing much south in swell trends or predictions. Wind yes, but the swell has had a slight North cast for months, per my sources, kicking South for only a day or two with storms.

I hope your sources prevail, we need a consistent S swell and current for a while.
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I think it’s generally accepted that sand deposits move north to south along the Pacific Coast.

Remember the story of BayOcean? Washed away after a jetty was installed at the mouth of Tillamook Bay.

http://www.oregoncoastalliance.org/d...e_study_v3.pdf

There’s lots of “light reading” available on the subject of sand movement and seasonal beach dynamics. I usually get about half a page in before I nod off.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayocean,_Oregon

Super interesting history lesson of beach sand dynamics from just up the coast.

Worth the watch if you don’t know the story.

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"lots of locals combed the area for fossils." I'd have been looking for Gold.
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A deep dig into the dynamics of the littoral conveyor will yield some clues regarding how wave and current direction around the Cape and The Rock affect sand deposition and scouring in the immediate area.

The same material can help those beach launching understand the local longshore and rip currents which directly affect most launches, very useful for clean and consistent beach ops.
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A deep dig into the dynamics of the littoral conveyor will yield some clues regarding how wave and current direction around the Cape and The Rock affect sand deposition and scouring in the immediate area.

Down in California, the construction of the jetties at Oceanside harbor interrupted the littoral sand conveyor and over the course of several decades beaches to the south were completely and permanantly stripped of sand. The damage extended some 20 miles. Beaches like Encinitas (where I lived for a time) and Solana Beach are now cobbles instead of sand most of the year.

Various sand pumping and bypass systems have been tried over the years with very limited success.

Also in California, the construction of sediment retention basins in the mountains has interrupted the flow of sand to the beaches. In their natural state, the Los Angeles River flood ferociously in the winter, carrying huge sediment loads from the mountains to the sea. The retention basins prevent this, which deprives the beaches of their long-term sand source.

Coupled with rising sea levels, mankind is well on its way to destroying the famous Southern California beaches.
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Down in California, the construction of the jetties at Oceanside harbor interrupted the littoral sand conveyor and over the course of several decades beaches to the south were completely and permanantly stripped of sand. The damage extended some 20 miles. Beaches like Encinitas (where I lived for a time) and Solana Beach are now cobbles instead of sand most of the year.

Various sand pumping and bypass systems have been tried over the years with very limited success.

Also in California, the construction of sediment retention basins in the mountains has interrupted the flow of sand to the beaches. In their natural state, the Los Angeles River flood ferociously in the winter, carrying huge sediment loads from the mountains to the sea. The retention basins prevent this, which deprives the beaches of their long-term sand source.

Coupled with rising sea levels, mankind is well on its way to destroying the famous Southern California beaches.
Good bye Santa Monica, and other beach side towns.
Like Imperial beach and La Jolla and other big chunks of San Diego.
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Down in California, the construction of the jetties at Oceanside harbor interrupted the littoral sand conveyor and over the course of several decades beaches to the south were completely and permanantly stripped of sand. The damage extended some 20 miles. Beaches like Encinitas (where I lived for a time) and Solana Beach are now cobbles instead of sand most of the year.
Sounds similar to the Bayocean story.

In our case, there have been no structural changes. Just a seasonal cycle that is more or less severe each year.
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A deep dig into the dynamics of the littoral conveyor will yield some clues regarding how wave and current direction around the Cape and The Rock affect sand deposition and scouring in the immediate area.

The same material can help those beach launching understand the local longshore and rip currents which directly affect most launches, very useful for clean and consistent beach ops.
Willard Bascomb, "Waves and Beacbes" if you're a Dorman, surfer or anyone who spends any time on the strand, this is required reading.
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The mouth of Willapa Bay has a similar erosion issue on going named appropriately wash away beach. In 69 doing survey work in the area one could never even see the ocean from the state highway. Now after the highway was moved inland the ocean has eroded the land to where waves crash on the rocks below the highway today. In the early 80s I headed the move of cemetery of mainly sailors who had drowned locally. The ocean was soon to reclaim the site. It was a lengthy task as only a few headstones remained. The site was hand dug and when a grave was found the area was sifted and surveyed for location. A new plot of land was acquired and each grave was relocated in the same order as they were found all in a relationship to the few headstones we found. It may have been the only way family members might have know where someone was buried based on those few stones.
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when did this happen and what happened? I was just there three weeks ago
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This was the PC launch on 11/25, during the first King Tide series. This weekends tides & swells look to be even more dramatic.

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This was the PC launch on 11/25, during the first King Tide series. This weekends tides & swells look to be even more dramatic.

Looks perfect for a kayak launch!
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The mouth of Willapa Bay has a similar erosion issue on going named appropriately wash away beach. In 69 doing survey work in the area one could never even see the ocean from the state highway. Now after the highway was moved inland the ocean has eroded the land to where waves crash on the rocks below the highway today. In the early 80s I headed the move of cemetery of mainly sailors who had drowned locally. The ocean was soon to reclaim the site. It was a lengthy task as only a few headstones remained. The site was hand dug and when a grave was found the area was sifted and surveyed for location. A new plot of land was acquired and each grave was relocated in the same order as they were found all in a relationship to the few headstones we found. It may have been the only way family members might have know where someone was buried based on those few stones.
There has been an amazing amount of erosion there over the last thirty years, Lots I staked out in Blue Pacific Shores thirty ,years ago are gone,
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The Columbia North Jetty has caused sand to build up on the north shore, something like 20 acres + of it. The actual beach used to be quite a ways inland where it's covered with brush now.
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In our case, there have been no structural changes. Just a seasonal cycle that is more or less severe each year.
Wouldn't you say that the construction of the new ramp was a structural change? My first thought was that added concrete sticking out into water during king tides is causing the unusual erosion to the south. It's not a huge structure but it seems like it might have been enough. Just my armchair engineer wild guess but that is the one thing that has changed in recent years.
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Amazing pictures, Dave. What is that at the bottom of picture #1? Concrete pieces from the dory road down to the Cape? Is that picture right at the Pelican/Dory Launch parking lot? Wow.
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I stopped by there around lunch yesterday to watch the waves for a few minutes and watched an older couple and their little dog get completely covered in foam from a surprise wave. They were standing near the edge right in the foamy spot in Dave's first picture. I had to leave before I saw someone get sucked out...
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Holy cow! How close did it get to the Pelican?
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Amazing pictures, Dave. What is that at the bottom of picture #1? Concrete pieces from the dory road down to the Cape? Is that picture right at the Pelican/Dory Launch parking lot? Wow.


Yes, that’s the roadway down to the beach from the Pelican parking lot.


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Old 01-13-2020, 01:22 PM   #48
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This is kind of heartbreaking
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Old 01-13-2020, 01:55 PM   #49
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It's hard to tell in this pictures because of all the sea foam and logs, but the ramp and Cannon Beach still looks passable after this weekend. Our ramp is gravel and is usually rebuilt/repaired every spring.

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It's hard to tell in this pictures because of all the sea foam and logs, but the ramp and Cannon Beach still looks passable after this weekend. Our ramp is gravel and is usually rebuilt/repaired every spring.

Looks like some kids passed through with an economy sized can of Redi-Whip.
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That's snow Don.
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Yes, of course.
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My wife said the Iredale got covered up. She didn't supply a photo of what isn't there. I'm wondering how bad a hit the Razor Clams took?
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:59 AM   #54
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Does anyone have a beach report after the recent storm? What does the dory launch area look like now?

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I’m being told less sand, just as much, if not more rock. I’m going to look at it Saturday at low tide. It may be time to start exploring possibility of landing at the ugly house.
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I was just told that the beach is not accessible but state parks plan to fix by end of the month.
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I’m being told less sand, just as much, if not more rock. I’m going to look at it Saturday at low tide. It may be time to start exploring possibility of landing at the ugly house.
That's not good, thanks for the update Josh.
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I’m sure some of you have thought this already.. Its probably time to start considering the real possibility that this summer, with a lot more rock and less sand, that it would be best to land at the ugly house. I’m thinking of launching at the cape and landing at the ugly house. This would be accomplished by Dylan and Jason (Or whoever) shuttling are vehicles after launch. Of course there would be days that both launch and landing could be done at Tierra Del Mar. A added bonus of this would be avoiding the berm and the ever busy afternoon beach. Of course we would continue to hope that our beach return to sand and not relinquish our tradition and right to launch/land at the cape.

Thoughts on this or other ideas?
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:25 PM   #59
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I think that would make sense too. Especially on Busy weekends with a minimum swell when the crowds are nuts. Something has got to give....
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TDM is much like Cannon Beach. Similar slope. Some areas are definitely better than others. It will pay to take a good look in differing conditions and tides. There are sandbars and rocks just offshore that can kick up big surf well outside the expected zone. Even a moderate day can have 10 lines of breakers.

I've L&L ed there a few times. It is easy to come in at a very low slope area and stop a ways out. Likelyhood of that happening will be minimized by a good mental picture of the beach, technique, and to a lesser extent, luck.

Sometimes a useful crab hole can be used as a harbor for easy launch, even, at times, to motor out of.

Unless we get a period of SW swell and along with the SW wind, the beach at Kiwanda isn't likely to get better. The swell direction has seldom been from south of 270*, and 270 is well North of straight in along that section of beach.
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