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Old 12-17-2019, 06:15 AM   #1
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What are they talking about? I don't understand this movement and how it works.
Is this something that's real or another hyped up anti gun propaganda
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Google is your friend:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...ment_sanctuary
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We need to come up with a bumper sticker.
First time I've heard of Gun Sanctuary.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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Great, more division and extremism. That’s what this country needs
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Uneducated people making choices based on emotion.

Awesome.
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Great, more division and extremism. That’s what this country needs

We don’t need more, but we need to push back against existing division and extremism.

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Or maybe a tall fence....
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Virginia is at a Popping point as we speak, the 2nd amendment clan from all over the USA is going to Richmond Va. with full armor on Jan 20th, there are 80 counties in Va. now that have declared sanctuary counties, Sheriffs have declared they are not enforcing the new anti gun laws, what happens in Va. will decide what will happen to the rest of America, this IS the TIPPING point, if you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak.


The Governor is thinking about cutting off all communication on that day and will have the National guard on hand, hope for the best and be prepared for the worst............this is NOT a drill.


have you noticed how the news is keeping this quite..........huh?
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Old 12-17-2019, 12:51 PM   #10
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Where to even begin with this convoluted mess. Sounds good but will do nothing to protect us. We have one in this county and the DA and local law enforcement have ignored it. Que the outrage?

In short: A Sheriff cannot protect you from the city or State police or a DA. He can only tell you you have nothing to fear from his office... or lie to your face during a campaign that he's supportive of your rights then does the exact opposite.

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Hmm? Never heard of the Dillon rule/law.
But this is sounding good to me. Unfortunately, I don't live in one of those counties.
But it's only a matter of a couple miles.
Are we talking another civil war here?
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Truth is we need a couple of nationwide deals to be made.

1. Nationwide carry/Class III/NFA. If you are legal in your state of residence, you are legal in ever other state.
2. Nationwide pot. If you can smoke in your state of residence, you are legal in every other state.

If you don’t like your state rules, move.

Unless something changes, I’m pretty much in a gun sanctuary, Montana.
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What are the new anti gun laws causing all the fuss?
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What are the new anti gun laws causing all the fuss?
Too many to mention them all, you have to pick a state/town. Besides, gun debates are against AUP though right?
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I remember not too long ago, that sheriff's in quite a few counties declared sanctuary for something.
Don't remember what the ruckus was about.
But it seems like one of the county sheriff's was even on the tube about it.
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A sheriffs job is to enforce the laws. Not interpret laws or pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they don't enforce the laws that are on the book, they should be ousted and charged and held liable for not enforcing the law.
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I was speaking of the new Virginia laws. Not looking to debate/argue, just seeking to understand what is going on. Sounds pretty serious(?) Is it instant back ground checks?
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A sheriffs job is to enforce the laws. Not interpret laws or pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they don't enforce the laws that are on the book, they should be ousted and charged and held liable for not enforcing the law.
Yeah, the hell with the Constitution!
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Yeah, the hell with the Constitution!
enforcing the law doesn't say to hell with the constitution, cherry picking and not enforcing the laws says hell to the constitution.
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enforcing the law doesn't say to hell with the constitution, cherry picking and not enforcing the laws says hell to the constitution.
Wrong, there are many unconstitutional laws on the books and being enforced, and it has been happening for many years.

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A sheriffs job is to enforce the laws. Not interpret laws or pick and choose what laws they want to follow. If they don't enforce the laws that are on the book, they should be ousted and charged and held liable for not enforcing the law.
The Sheriffs have chosen to uphold the constitutional laws, not tyrannical laws, all of these sanctuary counties were upheld at county counsel seat town meetings.
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enforcing the law doesn't say to hell with the constitution, cherry picking and not enforcing the laws says hell to the constitution.

The laws that are proposed are against the 2nd amendment, what part of "Shall Not be Infringed" don't people understand? the right to take back control for the right of the Peoples is a right granted in the constitution.


that is where the Militias are gathering as we speak, to control a Free State, this is a serious issue, LOOK IT UP!


One of the laws is that two or more people can NOT gather to learn how to shoot a gun, or any defense that can do bodily harm or anything of the such, that includes martial arts, the Constitution says "you have a right to assemble.
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Watched the video. Don't like the "go back to where you came from" comments - very un-American in my book

I still don't get what specific anti gun laws are a problem for these folks. Is this some sort of preemptive reaction to the Dems winning the Virginia Governorship, House and Senate for the first time since 1993?

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if you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak.
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that.
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Virginia is at a Popping point as we speak, the 2nd amendment clan from all over the USA is going to Richmond Va. with full armor on Jan 20th, there are 80 counties in Va. now that have declared sanctuary counties, Sheriffs have declared they are not enforcing the new anti gun laws, what happens in Va. will decide what will happen to the rest of America, this IS the TIPPING point, if you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak.


The Governor is thinking about cutting off all communication on that day and will have the National guard on hand, hope for the best and be prepared for the worst............this is NOT a drill.


have you noticed how the news is keeping this quite..........huh?
Virginia Activates Official Militia After Gun Confiscation Threats. Lawmakers Want To Make This A FelonyLink to zerohedge

As Virginia lawmakers prepare to pass a draconian gun control bill that would make most guns in the state illegal, Tazewell County has formed an official active militia as per the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

To all of those who like to mock gun owners and ask if they’re going to fight tyranny in a militia, Virginia’s answer is a clear and adamant “yes.” That’s exactly what they’re planning to do.
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There are checks and balances in the country. If a law is on the book a group does not think is constitution you challenge it in a court. What doesn't happen is extremist don't get to decide they don't like a law so they are going to just ignore it.
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I still don't get what specific anti gun laws are a problem for these folks. Is this some sort of preemptive reaction to the Dems winning the Virginia Governorship, House and Senate for the first time since 1993?

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They won the house and senate by Bloomburgs Gerrymandering


https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/leg...e?201+ful+SB64


https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/leg...xe?192+lst+ALL
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you may get what you want maybe all police will enforce every law on the books. like give tickets for one mile an hour over the speed limit.
police get to decide what laws to enforce and to what extent. like it or not. then the judge gets to decide if it takes effect on you or not.


maybe they will enforce the law that says it is illegal to eat ice cream on sunday. or to walk backwards while eating a donut.

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if you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak.

The Congress shall have Power... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

I guess if Congress calls me forth to go down there and suppress what appears to be an insurrections brewing, it will be my duty as a citizen to go and put them down.
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Check out the map, of the counties that have passed Sanctuary, VS non passes



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This is the Org putting up the rally on Jan 20


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The Congress shall have Power... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

I guess if Congress calls me forth to go down there and suppress what appears to be an insurrections brewing, it will be my duty as a citizen to go and put them down.

But when a long train of abuses & usurpations begun at a distinguished period and pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, & to provide new guards for their future security.
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But when a long train of abuses & usurpations begun at a distinguished period and pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, & to provide new guards for their future security.





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Yup. Civil war of another kind.
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Sounds good, until it actually comes to that point and then the excuses will fly.

If you believe that a Sheriff is gonna risk his career for you not following the rules....you need to get to reality. They will spout this because it gets them re elected, and they know that it's just talk.
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Thanks for the links. I don't see anything outlandish in the 2019 HB's, looks like pretty common sense laws we already have here in Oregon. Is there a particular one that causes heart burn?

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Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder

Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
The part about for civil disorder and intimidation has been conveniently left off. Also:

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...gun control bill that would make most guns in the state illegal.
Not seeing this in any links
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Sounds good, until it actually comes to that point and then the excuses will fly.

If you believe that a Sheriff is gonna risk his career for you not following the rules....you need to get to reality. They will spout this because it gets them re elected, and they know that it's just talk.
Seems to me that if a fella wants to get elected, and re-elected, he’ll say and then do the things that generate votes. So if his constituents want a sanctuary, and it’s legal, give them a sanctuary.
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This is the Org putting up the rally on Jan 20


https://www.vcdl.org/
Amazing how much free time people have these days. Everybody needs to find something to get upset about. I think we're just too pampered in this country.
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So these laws are written that they won’t enforce the laws, it says nothing of protection against other agencies that have jurisdiction. Just food for thought, only 3 counties in Virginia are chartered, and happen to be urban counties. So those unchartered counties are subservient to the state.


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Those quotes that SouthcoastStu put on there, are all hype.
Hek anybody can find most of that kinda training for firearms or explosives on the net today.
So a lot of that sounds like a lot of hot air spouted by poly ticians to get elected.
Just my take on it.
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Amazing how much free time people have these days. Everybody needs to find something to get upset about. ....

Some people seem to spend all their time finding something to get hysterical about...then coming here to enlist us in their web of hysteria.
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Well I'm picking up my .380 pocket pistol tomorrow and going to the sheriff's office to file my CHL application.
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Hore information in the link



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...kers-want-make


A Reminder for Virginia Legislators

There could hardly be anything more unconstitutional than SB64. I know I already quoted this, but just as a refresher for any legislator that might happen to be reading this:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Our guiding doctrines are the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. At this point, everything the laughable Virginia Congress is proposing is an affront to the principles upon which this nation was founded.
Another reminder – this is the pledge these legislators swore:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon me as ………. according to the best of my ability, (so help me God).” (source)

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Holy smokes! https://vcdl.org/
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Just think All the money on buses could fund the legal fund to challenge the constitutionality of the law.


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But when a long train of abuses & usurpations begun at a distinguished period and pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, & to provide new guards for their future security.
Just so we are clear that what you are advocating has nothing to do with militias as envisioned in the Constitution but is pure and simple open rebellion.

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Just so we are clear that what you are advocating has nothing to do with militias as envisioned in the Constitution but is pure and simple open rebellion against the Republic.



We are in disagreement then, It looks to me that these legislative acts go against the bill of rights. They are unconstitutional and illegal and should not be followed.


Legislators that push them are breaking their oath to uphold the Constitution.

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Those quotes that SouthcoastStu put on there, are all hype.
Hek anybody can find most of that kinda training for firearms or explosives on the net today.
So a lot of that sounds like a lot of hot air spouted by poly ticians to get elected.
Just my take on it.
That is quoted directly out of the Virginia Senate Bill text (from the link posted), hardly hype
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After a little digging it looks like it's about SB16 which is a proposed assault weapons ban:

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Expands the definition of "assault firearm" and prohibits any person from importing, selling, transferring, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or transporting an assault firearm. A violation is a Class 6 felony. The bill prohibits a dealer from selling, renting, trading, or transferring from his inventory an assault firearm to any person. The bill also prohibits a person from carrying a shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered in a public place; under existing law, this prohibition applies only in certain localities. The bill makes it a Class 1 misdemeanor to import, sell, barter, or transfer any firearm magazine designed to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
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PS: The correct term is 2nd Amendment Sanctuary
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Just so we are clear that what you are advocating has nothing to do with militias as envisioned in the Constitution but is pure and simple open rebellion.
I an not advocating anything, I am only reporting what has already been written, the above quote is from our declaration of independence.
This is not a Virginia problem, this is an American problem, I may add, when these Sheriffs were sworn in, they took an oath to defend all enemies, Foriegn and Domestic., period.

What this boils down to is that a stroke of a pen, they are making tens of thousands of GOOD citizens felons.

The FBI just released the 2018 murders, the rifle was declared to be 2.6% of all deaths by murder,and that is ALL rifles, the AR is a small percentage of that.
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We are in disagreement then, It looks to me that these legislative acts go against the bill of rights. They are unconstitutional and illegal and should not be followed.


Legislators that push them are breaking their oath to uphold the Constitution.
Not following a law one feels is unjust or constitutional is one thing. Civil disobedience has its place. I'm not arguing if that is justified or not in this case.

What I said is that encouraging people to go and join what they are calling a militia (mostly historically inaccurate in a constitutional sense) is really just a threat of insurrection and rebellion. Nothing more, nothing less.

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When the British tried to confiscate our guns in 1775 it spurred a very successful Revolution, and a constitution designed to protect us from that very thing happening again.I do not see a much difference from whats happening Virginia right now. Clearly not what the majority there wants.
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Just so we are clear that what you are advocating has nothing to do with militias as envisioned in the Constitution but is pure and simple open rebellion.

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For more than a hundred years, the answer was clear, even if the words of the amendment itself were not. The text of the amendment is divided into two clauses and is, as a whole, ungrammatical: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The courts had found that the first part, the “militia clause,” trumped the second part, the “bear arms” clause. In other words, according to the Supreme Court, and the lower courts as well, the amendment conferred on state militias a right to bear arms—but did not give individuals a right to own or carry a weapon.
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I an not advocating anything, I am only reporting what has already been written, the above quote is from our declaration of independence.
This is not a Virginia problem, this is an American problem, I may add, when these Sheriffs were sworn in, they took an oath to defend all enemies, Foriegn and Domestic., period.
I'm well aware of where that quote came from, thank you very much. It was written as the response of a Colony of a Monarchy that had little if any way get there grievances taken seriously by either the King or the Parliament of England. When our Founding Father wrote the Constitution they intended to provide the people of Republic with ways to make there voices heard. Elections, Petitioning the Government, Freedom of Speech, taking a grievance through the court system, even impeachment of leaders when one of them acts in a way that goes against the very foundations of our Republic. When you say, "If you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak" it certainly sound like you are advocating something. Something that gives up on the normal channels that are given to us through the structure of our Constitution.

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Holy smokes! https://vcdl.org/
Just sounds like some folks going to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights

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I'm well aware of where that quote came from, thank you very much. It was written as the response of a Colony of a Monarchy that had little if any way get there grievances taken seriously by either the King or the Parliament of England. When our Founding Father wrote the Constitution they intended to provide the people of Republic with ways to make there voices heard. Elections, Petitioning the Government, Freedom of Speech, taking a grievance through the court system, even impeachment of leaders when one of them acts in a way that goes against the very foundations of our Republic. When you say, "If you can make it GO! the Militias are gathering as we speak" it certainly sound like you are advocating something. Something that gives up on the normal channels that are given to us through the structure of our Constitutions.
If I may clarify, the above rally is a peaceful rally by the VCDL, GO TO THAT RALLY IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, part 2 there are splinter groups of Militia that are gathering, and will attend, in full armor, those are the ones that may get out of control. There is fear that some pops may fly.
Hope that clears it up for you, I do get my thoughts ahead of my typing.
I would attend in a heatbeat. But that isn't possible.
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Didn’t Heller establish the individual right?
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If I may clarify, the above rally is a peaceful rally by the VCDL, GO TO THAT RALLY IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, part 2 there are groups of Militia that are gathering, and will attend, in full armor, those are the ones that may get out of control. There is fear that some pops may fly.
Hope that clears it up for you, I do get my thoughts ahead of my typing.
I would attend in a heatbeat. But that isn't possible.
Fair enough. I've read enough of you posts that I was actually kind of surprised that you seemed to be saying what you seemed to be saying. (For the record also, I am not completely against armed rebellion as a concept. Just that this is not the hill to die on right now. There are a lot of things I think need to be fixed. Some you may agree with, some maybe not. But I don't think our system has yet to go so out of wack that our constitutional and civil means of recourse are at a point to throw away just yet.)

Also, I was trying to make a point that those people that go around calling themselves 'Miliita' are not the Militia the constitution was talking about. The Founding fathers didn't want a large standing army. They wanted to rely on a group of citizen solders to be called up when necessary. That was the Militia. A quick look at the other places the Constitution mentions the Militia and a reading of Federalist Paper 28 "Concerning the Militia" should make that clear to anyone that disagrees. Of coarse now we have one of the largest standing armies in the World and don't rely on a Militia at all. But it is still in the Constitution for us to argue endlessly about in the real meaning 2nd Amendment.
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Didn’t Heller establish the individual right?
Here is a good link to answer your question......


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