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Old 10-08-2019, 11:30 AM   #1
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https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/fi...e_7Oct2019.pdf



FOUR more openers for the gillnetters.... oh yeah, and it's NON-select. ANY wild king or wild coho is fair game.

Thanks for that kick to the gut, DFW's. Just thanks!

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Not a bit surprised. Disappointed, yes.
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They just don't care.
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This seems bias and down right ludicrous. When in river commercials ask for some non select coho harvest in a warm water (extremely) low clip rate fishery, THEY GET ONE. When in river rec anglers ask of the same, they get patronized. This type of management only leads to animosity towards the DFW and commercials. B10 is still open for Coho retention. Why not equitable retention opportunity? What a joke, on us.
Anglers should be outraged. State entities should be NON bias.

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Old 10-08-2019, 12:13 PM   #7
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WOW JUST WOW!!!!! The different parts of the sportfishing industry that are affected by the flat out stoppage of all salmon fishing between Astoria and Pasco, WA is so great that an accurate measurement of revenue lost would be to massive to measure without blowing the minds of all involved that lost the revenue. To let the nets back in for this much of a mop up after our sport closure is a disgrace.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:18 PM   #8
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I just love how the ODFW/WDFW shut the CR down because there were too many fish being caught by sporties....Now they open the river again to GILLNETTERS!!!!! ***!!!!!

I obviously see the ODFW and WDFW are NOT our friends......

Anyone up for civil disobedience???

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Wow! I never cease to be amazed at the power of lobby and “public servants” unashamedly hosing constituents.


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So tired of government lying to me.
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It should be a free for all sporty's on both sides of the river after such a lame one sided decision and then off with the heads of all involved with this decision on both sides of the river. Just because it says WDFW's decision, let's not get it misconstrued. Our side is just as guilty and have just as many hands in the cookie jar.
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What a joke!

At least they gave us another sturgeon day
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Before the season even started, sports were allocated "no more than 70%" of the URB limit of 8.25% of the predicted run. At the time the season was closed we were at 68.5%. There was simply no way to allow more time for chinook directed fisheries. The incidental mortality at B-10 will probably be enough that we exceed our impacts.

Before the season started, the commercial allocation was "not less than 30%" of the URB limit of 8.25%. According to the fact sheet, they are at about 22% of the allocation. The modelled openings will bring them to about 26%. (The thing that bums me is they are allowed unmarked coho.)

We caught our quota. This opener for commercial fishing allows them to get theirs. Even after this, the commercials will likely not have reached their quota.
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So how many more do they get before they get their piece of the pie?
Once the quota is met, will they let the sporties do some "MOP UP"?

This is the latest I could find on the ODFW web site.




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The way I read it is commercials need about 1200 more URBs to get to 30% of the 8.25% limit. They are projecting 600 for this opener. There won't be a sports "mop-up" because we are limited to less than 70% and we are already crowding that pretty close.
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I would like to see the breakdown of who pays for the costs for the fishing resources such as hatcheries etc. I guarantee it's not the commercials footing 30 percent of the cost and sporties 70. All we do is talk. Wheres the ballot measure to get the nets off the mainstem
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How about a Coho opener below Bonneville!!!
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:46 PM   #19
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I would like to see the breakdown of who pays for the costs for the fishing resources such as hatcheries etc. I guarantee it's not the commercials footing 30 percent of the cost and sporties 70. All we do is talk. Wheres the ballot measure to get the nets off the mainstem
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How about a Coho opener below Bonneville!!!
I just sent a polite message to the Columbia River fishery managers asking that very question.

Hope I got the right people and they respond. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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These fools should be voted in and than out for such BS
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First we get an "emergency closure" for sport fishing, then we get an emergency opening for gill netters...for any coho or chinook regardless of fin clip or not. Ridiculous.
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Open up the white sturgeon for an extra day to sporties.
But only in specified areas, and specified size.
To mollify us, then throw this BS at us and expect us to gulp it down like good little sheep?
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First we get an "emergency closure" for sport fishing, then we get an emergency opening for gill netters...for any coho or chinook regardless of fin clip or not. Ridiculous.
This should be on all local and not so local news. The stupidity of it all is amazing. I feel like this should be an episode of punked and Doc got us all good, but it's real and really sucks.
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Don't understand the need for a night time gill net fishery when they have the river to themselves. Good things seldom happen in the dark of night.
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Chill out amigos....in less than 3 months the opportunity for chinooks will start all over again. What a joke this so called columbia river compact has become.
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I'm fine with the netters accessing their quota.

I'm becoming really NOT OKAY with sports being forced to fish mark select on a Coho run with a horrific mark rate, and then the netters are turned loose to "mop up" all those fish we released. Steer Excrement!

They could open Coho retention to sports below Bonneville and be fine. And they should have allowed us a full retention Coho fishery of some kind if there's enough impacts left for full retention 8 inch mesh netting.

The Columbia River compact is failing all stakeholders at this point. Might be time to blow it up.
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The Columbia River compact is failing all stakeholders at this point. Might be time to blow it up.

I kinda believe it was blown up when the 2 states didn't agree this year=/
Being prior military all I can say is its turning into a continuous cluster.... you know what I mean. I believe someone long ago said......State of Confusion =/


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If you look at the historical Bonneville dam counts over the next week it will be 50% Chinook, 25% Coho mostly unclipped , and 25% Steelhead. So the are sacrificing a bunch of unclipped Coho and Steelhead so a few gillnetters can catch a limited amount of small Chinook probably not enough to pay for fuel.
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"Pay no attention to those men behind the curtain. Go out for a few hours on Saturday and try to catch a sturgeon."
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"Pay no attention to those men behind the curtain. Go out for a few hours on Saturday and try to catch a sturgeon."
...or Walleye.....
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“We caught our quota”??? I don’t recall ANY Sport quota for unmarked Coho?
I’m still waiting to see my FIRST unmarked coho tagger...

You may be correct that they still have 8% less to catch (although without DFW observers allowed on their boats makes me suspect their 22% catch “math”) but what is infuriating is the 2 sets of catch rules for Sport/Commercial re unmarked fish.

Until we play by the same rules, DFW will never have any credibility and I will oppose commercials until they start acting like responsible stewards of the resource.


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Before the season even started, sports were allocated "no more than 70%" of the URB limit of 8.25% of the predicted run. At the time the season was closed we were at 68.5%. There was simply no way to allow more time for chinook directed fisheries. The incidental mortality at B-10 will probably be enough that we exceed our impacts.

Before the season started, the commercial allocation was "not less than 30%" of the URB limit of 8.25%. According to the fact sheet, they are at about 22% of the allocation. The modelled openings will bring them to about 26%. (The thing that bums me is they are allowed unmarked coho.)

We caught our quota. This opener for commercial fishing allows them to get theirs. Even after this, the commercials will likely not have reached their quota.
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Damn This must stop.
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DFW is educated in these matters. And they say gillnets are selective. Time and place.
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I kinda believe it was blown up when the 2 states didn't agree this year=/
Being prior military all I can say is its turning into a continuous cluster.... you know what I mean. I believe someone long ago said......State of Confusion =/


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What I don't understand is why the rest of us cannot go and help with the cleanup???>????????
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Well even though it won't do any good, I wrote to my state reps, all 3 and politely suggested they reign in WDFW. Can't do anything about Oregon, but this at least makes me feel like I am doing something.
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Well even though it won't do any good, I wrote to my state reps, all 3 and politely suggested they reign in WDFW. Can't do anything about Oregon, but this at least makes me feel like I am doing something.
So the 70/30 split does not work for you guys?
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So the 70/30 split does not work for you guys?
It's not the split. It's the METHOD and TIMING and allowing to keep "wild" "unclipped" coho.
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Well even though it won't do any good, I wrote to my state reps, all 3 and politely suggested they reign in WDFW. Can't do anything about Oregon, but this at least makes me feel like I am doing something.
I wrote Kate about it. Maybe she will put the smack down again but not getting my hopes up. I also renewed my CCA membership. Did anyone else? Seriously debating not buying a salmon tag next year if they are going to kick us off the river when the fish are in town for spring and fall chinook.
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So the 70/30 split does not work for you guys?
The problem for me is the discrepancy of which one user group is allowed NON SELECT Coho retention, (due in part to a extremely low mark rate this fall season) but another denied. This fall season was very difficult on rec angler as we were forced to release thousands of dead unmarked Coho. This also contributed to extremely high handling of Chinook in a closed season.

Sport impacts were used for release mortality(FLOATERS)in the 2019 fall fishery. In fact, about 90% of all sport caught salmon were released this fall on the lower Columbia. How many of you B10 anglers landed 20+ to retain three or four?

DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?

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Old 10-09-2019, 07:38 AM   #42
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The dfw's are following the CRC quotas.
Seriously, 70 percent of the non treaty quota, and you're complaining.
Maybe read up on impacts and how that works.
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When do Clackamas river nates come in?

Is there a non selective fishery taking place on those runs?
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The dfw's are following the CRC quotas.
Seriously, 70 percent of the non treaty quota, and you're complaining.
Maybe read up on impacts and how that works.
This is a little misleading though.

The 70% is impacts on constraining stocks. This year that was supposed to be snake river Chinook.

The rub here is that sports actually lobbied for more restrictive seasons for themselves to spread out their impacts on those Chinook, and lobbied for more buffer to insure not going over impacts.

As the season went on some things became kinda clear.

1. Coho were over predicted and the mark rate was horrifically low.

2. Chinook were likely at or above prediction, likely freeing up additional impacts.

Sports asked for some modification to the Coho bag limit to allow some non selective fishing, even if it was as little as a single unclipped fish per year. The compact wouldn't even consider it.

Then the commercials gripe about fishing selective with tangle nets, and poof, they get full retention of coho in an area where the could still encounter wild Clack, Sandy, and Washougal fish.

I'm not against the commercial fishery, they should have access to their impacts just like sports.

I am against the double standard that has sports fishing selective currently on a horrible mark rate, while the fish we release swim upriver to die in smaller mesh nets.

That isn't likely to ever sit well.
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The dfw's are following the CRC quotas.
Seriously, 70 percent of the non treaty quota, and you're complaining.
Maybe read up on impacts and how that works.
Whats the point of 70% non treaty impacts if used for (release mortality)
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The problem for me is the discrepancy of which one user group is allowed NON SELECT Coho retention, (due in part to a extremely low mark rate this fall season) but another denied. This fall season was very difficult on rec angler as we were forced to release thousands of dead unmarked Coho. This also contributed to extremely high handling of Chinook in a closed season. Mark rate on Coho at Bonneville this year was around 13%.

Sport impacts were used for release mortality(FLOATERS)in the 2019 fall fishery. In fact, about 90% of all sport caught salmon were released this fall on the lower Columbia. How many of you B10 anglers landed 20+ to retain three or four?

DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?

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We sports releasing unclipped Coho is the price we must pay for the Chinook retention fishery.

No worries though - we sports have a season on Saturday for wild "unclipped" sturgeon.
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This is a little misleading though.

The 70% is impacts on constraining stocks. This year that was supposed to be snake river Chinook.

The rub here is that sports actually lobbied for more restrictive seasons for themselves to spread out their impacts on those Chinook, and lobbied for more buffer to insure not going over impacts.

As the season went on some things became kinda clear.

1. Coho were over predicted and the mark rate was horrifically low.

2. Chinook were likely at or above prediction, likely freeing up additional impacts.

Sports asked for some modification to the Coho bag limit to allow some non selective fishing, even if it was as little as a single unclipped fish per year. The compact wouldn't even consider it.

Then the commercials gripe about fishing selective with tangle nets, and poof, they get full retention of coho in an area where the could still encounter wild Clack, Sandy, and Washougal fish.

I'm not against the commercial fishery, they should have access to their impacts just like sports.

I am against the double standard that has sports fishing selective currently on a horrible mark rate, while the fish we release swim upriver to die in smaller mesh nets.

That isn't likely to ever sit well.
With the mandated sports priority we get the first shot at an unknown run abundance and distribution in August. .

In October when data on the run abundance and distribution is better realized the angler effort is almost non-existent. You even said yourself the other day that you were the only boat on the River.

Having to release wild Coho is the price we must pay for Chinook retention, otherwise we would blow through impacts and have major impact on the tribal fisheries.

The compact and Departments were dealt a very difficult hand this season and they did a great job keeping as many recreational fisheries open as possible without blowing through impacts - GREAT JOB!
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I get very disturbed at the dfw, and other fish "managing" outfits that come up with faux forecasts, incomplete or misleading data and favoritism to the highest dollar organization for or to an improper gain.

I had a conversation with a fellow angler (re this post) and he suggested a good ole "in your face" town hall meeting declaring our disgust with this crap. I recall such a meeting back in the 80's at the Red Building in Astoria. Fisheries actually admitted to improper management of fish and not long after, policies changed to protect the species not the wishes of anglers or fish groups with deep pockets.

I have always been a proponent of fair and equal salmon for all (NOT the organization) and disagree with any proponent of greedy fish harvesting or other illogical benefit. It's time that fish managers became managers working for the tax payer who pays their freaking exorbitant salaries.

I'm not in favor of riots and indecent civil uprisings but I am in favor of factual, logical, well behaved protests. A loud voice and a collaborative voice in a room full of well educated protesters WILL get results.

How do we arrange such a meeting? I think it's BEYOND time.
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With the mandated sports priority we get the first shot at an unknown run abundance and distribution in August. .

In October when data on the run abundance and distribution is better realized the angler effort is almost non-existent. You even said yourself the other day that you were the only boat on the River.

Having to release wild Coho is the price we must pay for Chinook retention, otherwise we would blow through impacts and have major impact on the tribal fisheries.

The compact and Departments were dealt a very difficult hand this season and they did a great job keeping as many recreational fisheries open as possible without blowing through impacts - GREAT JOB!
So why keep sport angling mark selective at this point.
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I read that Washington is not continuing with the Columbia River Endorsement, but Oregon is. Does anyone know if the funds that were collected actually went to creating off-channel commercial fishing areas?
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With the mandated sports priority we get the first shot at an unknown run abundance and distribution in August. .

In October when data on the run abundance and distribution is better realized the angler effort is almost non-existent. You even said yourself the other day that you were the only boat on the River.

Having to release wild Coho is the price we must pay for Chinook retention, otherwise we would blow through impacts and have major impact on the tribal fisheries.

The compact and Departments were dealt a very difficult hand this season and they did a great job keeping as many recreational fisheries open as possible without blowing through impacts - GREAT JOB!
Not true, but hay, I too believe in bigfoot. The price is wrong Joe.

The ultra low Coho mark rate contributed to higher than normal handling of Chinook than what was modeled. This handling contributed to unforeseen consumption of (Chinook) constraining stock impacts of which lead to early Chinook closures through out the Columbia rec fishery. Had rec anglers been allowed to retain some non-clipped Coho, the handling and consumption of ESA Chinook impacts could have been closer to what was modeled, thus running Chinook seasons as per what was modeled. Then after about Sep 15th run update, the Chinook buffer would go away and Sport extensions for Chinook through out the Columbia would have most likely happened. Do you realize how high the exploitation is on Coho? I understand the fed and tribal rules, but its moot with what took place. I assume you will rebuttal my post, so I will just suggest that you are right and im WRONG, as I dont have time for this. Best of luck out there Joe and keep up the great work you do for us.

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Even though I have a boat , I feel sorry for the bankies . Their impact seems
very small . Folks that can not afford a boat are screwed . Bank fishing should stay open always .
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So why keep sport angling mark selective at this point.
Unless there has been a huge shift in thinking of hatch silver numbers and them being clipped, there is no good reason to let us knowingly kill unclipped fish when the Clackamas river Nates are in river. We can be selective, and should continue to do so. Evidently, the tangle tooth nets don't work well, because they went away from em for large mesh and non selective fisheries......during a time when said Clack Nates are in.
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Unless there has been a huge shift in thinking of hatch silver numbers and them being clipped, there is no good reason to let us knowingly kill unclipped fish when the Clackamas river Nates are in river. We can be selective, and should continue to do so. Evidently, the tangle tooth nets don't work well, because they went away from em for large mesh and non selective fisheries......during a time when said Clack Nates are in.
I actually think you're wrong.

If I kill the first 10 fish to the boat, decent chance I don't even encounter a true Clack native.

If I have to handle 20 unclipped to harvest 10 clipped fish, pretty good chance I've encountered at least 2 true wild origin fish.

With so many unclipped hatchery fish in the system, increased handle equals increased encounter rates.
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Sports anglers offer selective harvest.

If you want to argue an unclipped retention season, please tell me how long such a season will be. The ocean gets a few days a YEAR in wild retention framework.

Clipped ratios are off the charts this year. Never seen the big river like this. Unless this is the new norm, reacting to a single season to set framework for future seasons (When clip rate may well go back to what we have had for years leading up to today).
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Sports anglers offer selective harvest.

If you want to argue an unclipped retention season, please tell me how long such a season will be. The ocean gets a few days a YEAR in wild retention framework.

Clipped ratios are off the charts this year. Never seen the big river like this. Unless this is the new norm, reacting to a single season to set framework for future seasons (When clip rate may well go back to what we have had for years leading up to today).
I get that.

My point is, we could have used "adaptive management" this year in regards to the sport Coho fishery to allow some form of full retention fishery to limit numbers handled. It would have made sense this year. The idea was floated, and shot down.

None of it really matters at this point this year.

But moving forward, it makes zero sense to have mark select fisheries on runs with Mark rates under 40%.

Why so many unclipped fish?

If they are mostly tribal hatchery fish, why don't the state/fed hatcheries get returns anywhere near the tribes?

Why are the SAFE areas such a massive failure this year?

It's gonna be interesting to discuss all this stuff next March as we model 2020 seasons....
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Did anyone else see the odfw notice for a hearing tomorrow re: non-treaty commercial in zone 4-5? Didn’t those dates just get announced on Monday..?

https://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/OSC...nouncement.pdf
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Did anyone else see the odfw notice for a hearing tomorrow re: non-treaty commercial in zone 4-5? Didn’t those dates just get announced on Monday..?

https://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/OSC...nouncement.pdf
Mebbe to rescind or modify the two days already declared for next week?

Hey, guy can dream, right?
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Mebbe to rescind or modify the two days already declared for next week?

Hey, guy can dream, right?
That was my first thought too. I’m generally a half full kinda guy though.
In reality, I’d be shocked if that was the case.
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