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Old 10-07-2019, 07:11 AM   #1
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Just wrapped up a super disappointing mule deer season in the Metolious unit. Group put in a number of days hunting and a lot of miles on foot with nothing to show for it. A number of does but nearly non existent signs of bucks. Most of the areas we covered had little fresh signs of deer period. This is not a new area to me and we hunted both up high and down lower.

Saw a single camp with one hanging and a heard a handful of shots the second weekend. My onetime excitement for Eastern Oregon deer hunting has took a serious hit over the last decade. It's a good thing I still like being out in the woods.

Wondering how others did in the unit? Hopefully better than we did.

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About the same story all around.
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Fort Rock was the worst I have experienced in 15 years plus I talked to about 15 other groups including people with 30 years. Either the snow was worse last winter or the cats were feasting we saw several tracks. Most guys with trail cams had numerous bears. I beat the brush we saw about a deer a day. We had a new hunter he got a spike. What happened their were no deer kills on the highway like a normal migration. It was a terrible I wonder what the bio has
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I didn’t have a tag this year but still hunted with some friends and family. They filled 2/3 tags near Baker city. We were really fortunate, not a lot of action going on, lowest amount of deer sign we have seen in awhile. First time hunting mule deer in snow as well. ODFW guy tells me they haven’t really recovered from the bad winter a few years ago, locals are certain it’s the predators. Probably a combo of both.
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I’ve been scouting for upcoming muzzle loader and late season bow hunt for family members. It’s very disappointing how get deer are left. I’ve already earned my brother that the tag he waited for for 20 years is going to be a tough hunt. At least the muzzy tag was drawn from the 25% pool. I know I’m not dumping points on this unit next year like I had planned.
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I'd be willing to wager that a lot of E OR deer took a beating last February.

Big snow early in winter, they can pull thru. Big snow late....they are gonna take it on the chin.

Add in the tendency of management to sell every possible tag, and predators (Not to mention poaching), and numbers simply aint gonna be great.
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I have acreage in the metolius and run cams year round, telling you one thing the tribal SLAUGHTER of deer and elk in the unit is unsustainable and dead wrong....steady decline in numbers and quality every year
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I have acreage in the metolius and run cams year round, telling you one thing the tribal SLAUGHTER of deer and elk in the unit is unsustainable and dead wrong....steady decline in numbers and quality every year
I spent a morning up in the NW corner, just below the reservation boundary. I am sure there were probably deer in the middle of the manzanita patches but I saw no signs of recent activity.
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I saw absolutely no deer during the season. However, I was out of town on work. So it sounds like I did just about as well as the rest of you, which isn't too bad considering!
During my elk archery hunts I saw good numbers of deer, and had a few nice bucks in bow range...next year I'll probably get an deer archery tag if I hunt the same unit.

I have a WA general season tag, and will be getting out for a couple weekends.
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I'm a local, have Tcams in the unit most of the year and had the rifle tag last year. It was terrible and not something I would advise to any of my buddies to put in for in the near future. I helped an ifisher out a couple years ago, best buck we could even find was mid 160's. We covered the unit looking for something better and it just wasn't there.

I agree with the note regarding the tribe, all of November it's a shooting gallery for them.

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I'm a local, have Tcams in the unit most of the year and had the rifle tag last year. It was terrible and not something I would advise to any of my buddies to put in for in the near future. I helped an ifisher out a couple years ago, best buck we could even find was mid 160's. We covered the unit looking for something better and it just wasn't there.

I agree with the note regarding the tribe, all of November it's a shooting gallery for t
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starts the first day of bow season and goes til February or something, opening weekend bow i watched through spotting scope a group several vehicles on squaw back ( private property) a group of men were finishing off a group of elk 2 large bull 2 decent ones and several cows, It was a tribal slaughter and the were behind the gates on ponderossa land and cattles private ground, no BS one cow was ass shot and crawling around, my buddy tried to report it as he is friends w the landowner and nothing ever came of it. I have never seen anything like it
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Silvies Unit went 5/8 this past week. Nothing huge but we saw some monsters.
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Silvies Unit went 5/8 this past week. Nothing huge but we saw some monsters.
That's a good trip, congratulations.
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Silvies Unit went 5/8 this past week. Nothing huge but we saw some monsters.
Silvies draw odd just got tougher for 2020. lol. Congrats on a good season.
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I hunted the Metolious unit a few years back and it cost me 6 pref points to get it. I was very underwhelmed. Saw only a few small bucks and most hunters did not get anything. I was pretty disappointed.

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I heard this unit is crazy during the late archery season with seeing multiple bucks per day. I had thought about just going over there and camping this year and driving the roads just for the fun of seeing the bucks. Would that be a waste of my time given the present circumstance???
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[QUOTE=Calcoyote;16136145

QUESTION:
I heard this unit is crazy during the late archery season with seeing multiple bucks per day. I had thought about just going over there and camping this year and driving the roads just for the fun of seeing the bucks. Would that be a waste of my time given the present circumstance???[/QUOTE]




Bro Ken and I did just that 2 years ago..Spent the day driving around with a video camera...Seems we seen about 90 deer total with a few decent bucks..


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Silver lake was terrible and i heard upper deschutes was just as bad.... the bio blamed the poor upper deschutes on an early migration which should have made fort rock silver lake paulina good but that was not the case
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Flatfish:

I'd be willing to wager that a lot of E OR deer took a beating last February.

Big snow early in winter, they can pull thru. Big snow late....they are gonna take it on the chin.

Add in the tendency of management to sell every possible tag, and predators (Not to mention poaching), and numbers simply aint gonna be great.


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I have acreage in the metolius and run cams year round, telling you one thing the tribal SLAUGHTER of deer and elk in the unit is unsustainable and dead wrong....steady decline in numbers and quality every year
These two posts are spot on.

The deer populations have dealt with strange weather for years. Most of the time they recover just fine. However not with all the other factors being added on top of it. The poor deer and elk in this area, and around the state for that matter, don't stand a chance.

I don't want this to become a bash the tribe or tribal treaty thread, but let's be 100% real. You can not allow hunting with modern weapons and today's technology under rules that were drafted 150 years ago. All parties need to be realistic in this approach. I understand the want to be connected to ones heritage, but if that's the case then may be the tribal hunters need to utilize the weapons and technology that existed at the time of the treaty. If they want to utilize today's weapons and technology then they need to play by the same game as everyone else. My only exemption would be what they do on the reservation. Do whatever you want with in the borders of the rez, but don't expect the rest of us to pay to restore the animal populations so they can be whipped out again. Much like the Big horn sheep 15 years ago. And if there is a tribal member reading this, I hope they realize that if they continue doing what they are doing now, then the kids being born today won't have to worry about this fight because all the animals will be gone and your hunting heritage will be gone forever. It is definitely time for a change, and that change will only start with in the tribe because politicians are too weak to do anything, and too worried about being politically correct and not hurting any ones feelings.

Us hunters have to be realistic as well.

First question besides Baltz how many of use are actually going out and targeting predators, like really targeting them. I admit, I am one that could do better. I go out a few times a year and give a so-so try, but honestly I could be more dedicated to it.

Next question, why are we so interested in making sure we JUST have opportunity to have a tag in our pocket. Hence the way that ODFW manages our game populations. ODFW gets tired of people complaining so they just issue more tags, including issuing a gazillion cow hunts. Or even better yet, they lower the buck requirement to a spike (yeah that was a great idea). We should be looking to other states that are doing it right and seeing what they do to manage their animals. I know this isn't very popular, but go to a draw for the whole state, every single unit for every single weapon. Put restrictions in place for buck and bull hunts. 3 point or better for both. I know, some blacktails will only ever be forkies, may be allow fork or better for blacktail units only. The only antlerless hunts that I support with our current populations are for youth hunts, or possibly disabled hunters.

Last question, and this is more for other units as well, but why do we allow for the commercialization of wildlife? If a landowner wants some LOP tags, fine; but don't let them sell them. If they want to sell a hunt via a trespass fee for a tag holder that has drawn a tag in the state draw, no problems there at all; but no more selling of LOP tags period. If a landowner wants to limit damage to their property, then allow hunters to access the property.

I truly believe that we are handling these issues much like the State of Oregon handles the PERS issue, just kick the can down the road a little bit and someone else will figure out a way to handle it or will magically go away.

As I stated above, much like the tribal hunters need to address from with in, so do we as hunters. Keep kicking the can down the road, and in 20 years we won't have to worry about it; because it will ALL be gone.

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we learned last weekend that the Umatilla & Nez Pierce tribes can hunt during the elk rut. hunted Wenaha and saw numerous big bulls in trucks. asked the OSP what was open other than raffle or gov tag and he told us that one native indian can take others out to hunt on a tribal permit. in a unit that takes 20 years to draw, it is just not right.

on the deer side of things, very poor with 3/4 tags filled with spike white tails. did not see a muley buck at all.
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Flatfish:

I'd be willing to wager that a lot of E OR deer took a beating last February.

Big snow early in winter, they can pull thru. Big snow late....they are gonna take it on the chin.

Add in the tendency of management to sell every possible tag, and predators (Not to mention poaching), and numbers simply aint gonna be great.




These two posts are spot on.

The deer populations have dealt with strange weather for years. Most of the time they recover just fine. However not with all the other factors being added on top of it. The poor deer and elk in this area, and around the state for that matter, don't stand a chance.

I don't want this to become a bash the tribe or tribal treaty thread, but let's be 100% real. You can not allow hunting with modern weapons and today's technology under rules that were drafted 150 years ago. All parties need to be realistic in this approach. I understand the want to be connected to ones heritage, but if that's the case then may be the tribal hunters need to utilize the weapons and technology that existed at the time of the treaty. If they want to utilize today's weapons and technology then they need to play by the same game as everyone else. My only exemption would be what they do on the reservation. Do whatever you want with in the borders of the rez, but don't expect the rest of us to pay to restore the animal populations so they can be whipped out again. Much like the Big horn sheep 15 years ago. And if there is a tribal member reading this, I hope they realize that if they continue doing what they are doing now, then the kids being born today won't have to worry about this fight because all the animals will be gone and your hunting heritage will be gone forever. It is definitely time for a change, and that change will only start with in the tribe because politicians are too weak to do anything, and too worried about being politically correct and not hurting any ones feelings.

Us hunters have to be realistic as well.

First question besides Baltz how many of use are actually going out and targeting predators, like really targeting them. I admit, I am one that could do better. I go out a few times a year and give a so-so try, but honestly I could be more dedicated to it.

Next question, why are we so interested in making sure we JUST have opportunity to have a tag in our pocket. Hence the way that ODFW manages our game populations. ODFW gets tired of people complaining so they just issue more tags, including issuing a gazillion cow hunts. Or even better yet, they lower the buck requirement to a spike (yeah that was a great idea). We should be looking to other states that are doing it right and seeing what they do to manage their animals. I know this isn't very popular, but go to a draw for the whole state, every single unit for every single weapon. Put restrictions in place for buck and bull hunts. 3 point or better for both. I know, some blacktails will only ever be forkies, may be allow fork or better for blacktail units only. The only antlerless hunts that I support with our current populations are for youth hunts, or possibly disabled hunters.

Last question, and this is more for other units as well, but why do we allow for the commercialization of wildlife? If a landowner wants some LOP tags, fine; but don't let them sell them. If they want to sell a hunt via a trespass fee for a tag holder that has drawn a tag in the state draw, no problems there at all; but no more selling of LOP tags period. If a landowner wants to limit damage to their property, then allow hunters to access the property.

I truly believe that we are handling these issues much like the State of Oregon handles the PERS issue, just kick the can down the road a little bit and someone else will figure out a way to handle it or will magically go away.

As I stated above, much like the tribal hunters need to address from with in, so do we as hunters. Keep kicking the can down the road, and in 20 years we won't have to worry about it; because it will ALL be gone.

Great post and I agree with the predators. The problem is the general public is not interested in controlling them, and the ODFW is not helping the cause. I know the optics are bad, but dogs or bait are really the only way to effectively hunt and manage cougars. Yes, you can spend a lot of time using the current legal ways of targeting them and might get one. I have friends who regularly loose small livestock to them. They have a hard time getting one even after leaving a fresh kill out. And they are hunters. Doesn't mean we can't try, just wish we had more options.
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I'd be willing to wager that a lot of E OR deer took a beating last February.

Big snow early in winter, they can pull thru. Big snow late....they are gonna take it on the chin.

Add in the tendency of management to sell every possible tag, and predators (Not to mention poaching), and numbers simply aint gonna be great.




These two posts are spot on.

The deer populations have dealt with strange weather for years. Most of the time they recover just fine. However not with all the other factors being added on top of it. The poor deer and elk in this area, and around the state for that matter, don't stand a chance.

I don't want this to become a bash the tribe or tribal treaty thread, but let's be 100% real. You can not allow hunting with modern weapons and today's technology under rules that were drafted 150 years ago. All parties need to be realistic in this approach. I understand the want to be connected to ones heritage, but if that's the case then may be the tribal hunters need to utilize the weapons and technology that existed at the time of the treaty. If they want to utilize today's weapons and technology then they need to play by the same game as everyone else. My only exemption would be what they do on the reservation. Do whatever you want with in the borders of the rez, but don't expect the rest of us to pay to restore the animal populations so they can be whipped out again. Much like the Big horn sheep 15 years ago. And if there is a tribal member reading this, I hope they realize that if they continue doing what they are doing now, then the kids being born today won't have to worry about this fight because all the animals will be gone and your hunting heritage will be gone forever. It is definitely time for a change, and that change will only start with in the tribe because politicians are too weak to do anything, and too worried about being politically correct and not hurting any ones feelings.

Us hunters have to be realistic as well.

First question besides Baltz how many of use are actually going out and targeting predators, like really targeting them. I admit, I am one that could do better. I go out a few times a year and give a so-so try, but honestly I could be more dedicated to it.

Next question, why are we so interested in making sure we JUST have opportunity to have a tag in our pocket. Hence the way that ODFW manages our game populations. ODFW gets tired of people complaining so they just issue more tags, including issuing a gazillion cow hunts. Or even better yet, they lower the buck requirement to a spike (yeah that was a great idea). We should be looking to other states that are doing it right and seeing what they do to manage their animals. I know this isn't very popular, but go to a draw for the whole state, every single unit for every single weapon. Put restrictions in place for buck and bull hunts. 3 point or better for both. I know, some blacktails will only ever be forkies, may be allow fork or better for blacktail units only. The only antlerless hunts that I support with our current populations are for youth hunts, or possibly disabled hunters.

Last question, and this is more for other units as well, but why do we allow for the commercialization of wildlife? If a landowner wants some LOP tags, fine; but don't let them sell them. If they want to sell a hunt via a trespass fee for a tag holder that has drawn a tag in the state draw, no problems there at all; but no more selling of LOP tags period. If a landowner wants to limit damage to their property, then allow hunters to access the property.

I truly believe that we are handling these issues much like the State of Oregon handles the PERS issue, just kick the can down the road a little bit and someone else will figure out a way to handle it or will magically go away.

As I stated above, much like the tribal hunters need to address from with in, so do we as hunters. Keep kicking the can down the road, and in 20 years we won't have to worry about it; because it will ALL be gone.

A lot of good points, Wildwood. Unfortunately getting hunters to agree on some of these issues proves to be very difficult. All hunters agree that we have problems with our ungulate populations and predator management, we just don’t seem to agree on how to solve the problems.

I’ve seen the suggestion to turn the state into a draw before only to have some chastise the person suggesting the idea. Hunters will compare Oregon to other states where the draw style is a complete lottery every year. People complain about ODFW’s management of our elk and deer, but if they came out tomorrow and announced a statewide draw you can bet there would be a fair number of guys complaining about not being able to hunt. We have to hold ourselves to a certain standard and accountability as well, we can’t put all the blame on ODFW.

How many guys complain about herd health and then shoot the first legal deer they see from fear of going home empty handed? I don’t buy the old “it’s meat in the freezer and feeds my family” line. Nobody is feeding their family for the year on 80lbs of deer meat.

It’s tough to hear but if hunters want to see change they are going to need to step up and participate in it and probably sacrifice a little to get it. It’s a “forest through the trees” approach.
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Great post and I agree with the predators. The problem is the general public is not interested in controlling them, and the ODFW is not helping the cause. I know the optics are bad, but dogs or bait are really the only way to effectively hunt and manage cougars. Yes, you can spend a lot of time using the current legal ways of targeting them and might get one. I have friends who regularly loose small livestock to them. They have a hard time getting one even after leaving a fresh kill out. And they are hunters. Doesn't mean we can't try, just wish we had more options.


Hound hunting and baiting has been gone for 25 years, it’s time to accept it and move on or make a big effort to get it back, the latter being unlikely to happen.

How is ODFW “not helping the cause”?
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Hound hunting and baiting has been gone for 25 years, it’s time to accept it and move on or make a big effort to get it back, the latter being unlikely to happen.

How is ODFW “not helping the cause”?
I agree dogs and baiting are not likely to come back. My comment about the ODFW not helping the cause is this: Most hunters are aware of the damage done to herds by cougars, as are most of the biologists that I have spoken with. I don't necessarily hear a consistent and strong message from the ODFW as a whole regarding the threat they pose. I think if the ODFW consistently communicated this to the general public, attitudes toward them may change. Most non hunters I know only care about them if they are spotted to close to a school or in a neighborhood.

This is not a bash on the people who work for ODFW, only my two cents worth of opinion.

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Bro Ken and I did just that 2 years ago..Spent the day driving around with a video camera...Seems we seen about 90 deer total with a few decent bucks..


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Not sure why I've never thought about doing this in that unit. Each year we go up above the Dalles and cruise around looking for deer. Might switch strategies this year.
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I hunted the Metolious unit a few years back and it cost me 6 pref points to get it. I was very underwhelmed. Saw only a few small bucks and most hunters did not get anything. I was pretty disappointed.

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I heard this unit is crazy during the late archery season with seeing multiple bucks per day. I had thought about just going over there and camping this year and driving the roads just for the fun of seeing the bucks. Would that be a waste of my time given the present circumstance???
I’ve been doing just that for about 25 years.
It get worse every year. Last year I spent one full day from the jack lake area all the way to lake billy chinook. I saw (3) bucks and about 30 does. Don’t bother wasting your time now.
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Silvies Unit went 5/8 this past week. Nothing huge but we saw some monsters.


Good for you guys! Spent a week over there and didn’t see a buck. Well over a 100 deer though but not even any dinkers. And two big cougars


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I’ve been doing just that for about 25 years.
It get worse every year. Last year I spent one full day from the jack lake area all the way to lake billy chinook. I saw (3) bucks and about 30 does. Don’t bother wasting your time now.
The area around Jack Lake was where I was thinking of. I will save my time and gas.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:18 PM   #29
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I burned my 10 deer points last year on the muzzleloader hunt and it was a pretty dismal. I kind of expected it but couldn't see any reason to continue building deer points in Oregon which I'm not any more. I hunted most of a week and was finally able to kill a decent 3 point. According to the statistics from last year I killed one of only 4 bucks killed for 40 tags on the muzzleloader hunt. Pretty sad stats for a hunt that takes 10 points!
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I agree dogs and baiting are not likely to come back. My comment about the ODFW not helping the cause is this: Most hunters are aware of the damage done to herds by cougars, as are most of the biologists that I have spoken with. I don't necessarily hear a consistent and strong message from the ODFW as a whole regarding the threat they pose. I think if the ODFW consistently communicated this to the general public, attitudes toward them may change. Most non hunters I know only care about them if they are spotted to close to a school or in a neighborhood.

This is not a bash on the people who work for ODFW, only my two cents worth of opinion.
You are correct about ODFW not helping the cause.

Last year when the lady was killed by the cougar I heard an interview by ODFW’s expert cougar biologist and he was asked directly if Oregon had too many cougars. His answer was it depends on who you ask.

That right there is the problem. A person who is supposed to be a biologist giving a political answer. They don’t manage our wildlife based on science. It’s all about politics and money.
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I burned my 10 deer points last year on the muzzleloader hunt and it was a pretty dismal. I kind of expected it but couldn't see any reason to continue building deer points in Oregon which I'm not any more. I hunted most of a week and was finally able to kill a decent 3 point. According to the statistics from last year I killed one of only 4 bucks killed for 40 tags on the muzzleloader hunt. Pretty sad stats for a hunt that takes 10 points!
I saw that statistic too and thought of you being one one the 4. I’m hoping I can find a decent buck for the hunter I’m helping but I’m not confident and I know this area as good as any piece of ground I’ve ever hunted in. I had the muzzy hunt 5 years ago and was not too impressed but it was way better then than now. I now have 5 points for deer and have no desire to draw anything. I haven’t drawn a rifle mule deer hunt since 1997. I’ve been muzzy hunting since for draw hunts. Not one muzzy hunt offered in Oregon is worth more than two points. I honestly don’t know why I’m even applying for deer hunting in eastern Oregon anymore. I guess I’m hoping someday everything goes to draw hunts and I have some points when it does.
I told ODFW 2 years ago the late hunts in metolius should be deleted but they don’t agree. Maybe if more people wrote letters or showed up at the public meetings I wouldn’t be as much of a minority hunter and more of a average hunter. They don’t listen to minority hunters.

I did notice they deleted the juniper muzzy hunt due to complaints of hunt quality from past hunters. Funny thing is they bio in bend told me the Steens is doing better than any unit in central Oregon as far as Population counts. Yet they deleted the only late hunt in the area. They make no sense to me.

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I saw that statistic too and thought of you being one one the 4. I’m hoping I can find a decent buck for the hunter I’m helping but I’m not confident and I know this area as good as any piece of ground I’ve ever hunted in. I had the muzzy hunt 5 years ago and was not too impressed but it was way better then than now. I now have 5 points for deer and have no desire to draw anything. I haven’t drawn a rifle mule deer hunt since 1997. I’ve been muzzy hunting since for draw hunts. Not one muzzy hunt offered in Oregon is worth more than two points. I honestly don’t know why I’m even applying for deer hunting in eastern Oregon anymore. I guess I’m hoping someday everything goes to draw hunts and I have some points when it does.
I told ODFW 2 years ago the late hunts in metolius should be deleted but they don’t agree. Maybe if more people wrote letters or showed up at the public meetings I wouldn’t be as much of a minority hunter and more of a average hunter. They don’t listen to minority hunters.

I did notice they deleted the juniper muzzy hunt due to complaints of hunt quality from past hunters. Funny thing is they bio in bend told me the Steens is doing better than any unit in central Oregon as far as Population counts. Yet they deleted the only late hunt in the area. They make no sense to me.
I had a buddy cash in 20 nr points on it last year, said it was one of the worst hunts he's ever been on..

I was in the juniper this year, and as a whole, it was the worst numbers I've ever seen there. Pivots that had hundreds of deer a few years back were void of them. In 11 pivots checked at last light, we saw 8 deer total. 5 years ago, we'd have seen several hundred in the same locations.

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That right there is the problem. A person who is supposed to be a biologist giving a political answer. They don’t manage our wildlife based on science. It’s all about politics and money.
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That right therein lies the truth! I heard the same exact thing from a different bio last year. They simply are not able to do their job...
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That right therein lies the truth! I heard the same exact thing from a different bio last year. They simply are not able to do their job...
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I did notice they deleted the juniper muzzy hunt due to complaints of hunt quality from past hunters. Funny thing is they bio in bend told me the Steens is doing better than any unit in central Oregon as far as Population counts. Yet they deleted the only late hunt in the area. They make no sense to me.
Both were deleted due to complaints of hunt quality.

The 3 that were added back (143C,145A,148A) were done so to provide a perceived quality opportunity for that portion of the mule deer hunting population that prefers a quality hunt on an irregular basis vs. the opportunity of going hunting on a regular basis.
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Good for you guys! Spent a week over there and didn’t see a buck. Well over a 100 deer though but not even any dinkers. And two big cougars


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Darn; did you fling lead at the cats?! I was actively cougar hunting the whole time. Nothing spotted didnt see even a yote.
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Both were deleted due to complaints of hunt quality.

The 3 that were added back (143C,145A,148A) were done so to provide a perceived quality opportunity for that portion of the mule deer hunting population that prefers a quality hunt on an irregular basis vs. the opportunity of going hunting on a regular basis.
People need to get used to the idea that mule deer tags are harder to get. If we continue down the same path we're on now, they'll be no deer to hunt in 20 years.
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People need to get used to the idea that mule deer tags are harder to get. If we continue down the same path we're on now, they'll be no deer to hunt in 20 years.
I'd be shocked if they lasted 20.

I saw 21 deer this season over east. I literally laughed when I saw the first group, as my goal was just to see a deer. I ended up passing 8 forkys. The 8/21 part was quite shocking as well.
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Darn; did you fling lead at the cats?! I was actively cougar hunting the whole time. Nothing spotted didnt see even a yote.


Unfortunately it was just after dark. Driving back to camp come around corner and both were in middle of the road. One jumped up the bank and the other kinda just wandered up the shoulder while I followed before diving off. They were just down the road from a couple camps too! Saw what looked like 3 coyotes but couldn’t get a good look through the binos to confirm


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I think people are used to the fact that mule deer tags are harder to get. What sucks is waiting 5 years to go on a "decent" hunt and seeing next to nothing. There is no reason Oregon can't turn out multiple quality deer hunts other than politics and **** poor management by ODFW.
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Pretty tough year over on my end which has been great for the past 10yrs. I had 5 chances at bucks during archery season, I was either facing the sun, not trusting my rangefinder or not trusting landowner ship boundaries during archery season. I held a few shot chances back because of the later but would have been completely. Passed up on the biggest buck I would have ever taken because of the later reason but I wouldn't take the opportunity back. He was a monster. Maybe next year.

Moving on to rifle season with my youngest and first time hunter daughter due to my work schedule I could only get her out opening Saturday and Sunday then she had mandatory stuff at school Monday but I kept her out Tuesday for one last hunt before I left town for work again for the remainder of the season.

102 deer seen no duplicates of deer hunted all over the unit, I might know it pretty well... she had an opportunity at a really nice 3 point during one of our hikes but he didn't want to play long enough for her to get set up. Deer are there but not many bucks.
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OSP Fish & Wildlife is looking for information on an Unlawful Taking of a Buck Deer- Deschutes County - 10/14/19


The Oregon State Police Fish & Wildlife Division is asking for the public's help for information regarding the unlawful take of a buck deer north of Sisters.

A 4x4 buck deer was found shot with a rifle and left to waste near the intersection of Camp Polk Rd and Wilt Rd.

Investigators believe the deer was shot sometime around September 5th during the buck deer archery season.
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she had an opportunity at a really nice 3 point during one of our hikes but he didn't want to play long enough for her to get set up. Deer are there but not many bucks.
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we learned last weekend that the Umatilla & Nez Pierce tribes can hunt during the elk rut. hunted Wenaha and saw numerous big bulls in trucks. asked the OSP what was open other than raffle or gov tag and he told us that one native indian can take others out to hunt on a tribal permit. in a unit that takes 20 years to draw, it is just not right.

on the deer side of things, very poor with 3/4 tags filled with spike white tails. did not see a muley buck at all.
Try getting the tribal game cop to do something they are suppose to hunt with a bow during the rut.. not a rifle.. wish it would change.. really wosh it would

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I’ve spent 3 days in the woods looking for elk and scouting for the muzzy tag. I’ve seen one small buck...
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It's not what it once was that's for sure...... in 1998 I had the late archery tag and again in 2015 . What a difference. I talked with 2 different state police while in the unit and both said the reservation and poaching are a major problem.
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You might need to hunt closer to the houses for the nice bucks that are left in this unit!
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