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Old 01-09-2020, 09:54 AM   #1
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A friend brought me a Cousins EVO spinning rod, with three guides broke off at the feet. I'm trying to figure out what model Seaguide guides they used on these rods? Are they titanium frame or gunsmoke stainless XOG and XOHG? I have never seen guides break off at the feet like these did and am considering rewrapping the rod with a completely different set of guides. If these are titanium frame, they are junk. Anyone else having this problem?

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Old 01-09-2020, 01:20 PM   #2
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According to the all the sales description for the rod, they all say Titanium frame guides. My best guess is that they're Seaguide TiXOHG.
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That's what I was thinking, but they sure don't hold up like the Fuji or Alp's titanium guides I have used. I feel sorry for all the people that are stuck with their rods and now have no warranty, to fall back on.
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Had a rod come back for repair once with the same problem many years ago, seems since the REC guides came out some people think titanium guides are flexible and you bend them to fit in a rod tube that is just a hair to small. REC guides aren't titanium, they are built on a nickel titanium wire that is a memory metal like the steel they make car springs out of. Just heat it up to about 800 deg. bend it into the shape you want and let it cool. I've replaced broken REC guides too, seems some think they can purposely bend their guides to the blank and over time nothing will happen, wrong!! Needless to say it was not a warranty repair.
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If all the running guides are still good, what about just replacing the stripper and transition guides with Fujis or Alps?
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:30 PM   #6
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So I've got it figured out that these guides are probably TiXOG and TiXOHG, but what ring material did Cousins use? Seaguide lists LS-Zirconia and RS-Silicon Nitride rings on their titanium frames. All the ads that I find online says that Cousins used Seaguides with SIC rings and Fuji reel seats. I am yet to see a rod that didn't have a Seaguide reel seat, unless they were using them on some of there first rods and is SIC the same as Silicon Nitride? I just want to put back what was on it.

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Ti frames, SiC rings.
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SIC stands for silicon carbide. What the heck is silicon nitride?
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SiN is another hard ceramic insert that is most used by people who use wire line. Last time I needed a wire line trolling rod in Canada for lakers, I just used a cheap telescoping blank flipping stick and changed the tip top to a roller tip top, but I was only there for two weeks. Finding the proper reel back than was tough, I wouldn't want to try now, so many years later.

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So what ring material did Cousins use on their EVO rods? They say they used SIC but Seaguide just lists Zirconium and SIN. Thanks everybody for your help, but I'm still at a loss, on which guide to order, so I have an exact match.
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When you order guides by the thousands in big boxes, you get anything you want. Both materials are a black ring if I remember right, SiN was originally designed for jet engine bearings, high heat resistance, low friction and wear coefficient.

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I think I'll just order the cheaper zirconium guides, because at the rate they're breaking, I'll be broke before I know it.
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I think I'll just order the cheaper zirconium guides, because at the rate they're breaking, I'll be broke before I know it. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.ifish.net/board/images/smilies/lachen014.gif[/IMG]
Your buddy just needs to take better care of his rods. They don't break THAT easily. lol

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Old 01-14-2020, 08:10 AM   #14
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I've been building rods for over 45 years and all I'm going to say is, for the price, comparing them to Fuji or Alp's, they are junk! Go online and look at a closeup of the foot, on these guides, and you'll see the weak point.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:42 PM   #15
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After receiving new guides for replacement on this rod, I am placing the blame on Cousins. This pic of the size 10 guide that broke, shows that the foot was over ground. They ground the base of the foot, which is normal, but also the sides and top of the foot, which isn't. Where's quality control when you need it? Oh wait...….They're out of business!
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:58 PM   #16
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A lot of guide feet are wider than the rod tip, I grind the foot of those guides, there is a reason the Fuji BLOGs are built narrower and thinner in the foot than most.
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Old 01-19-2020, 07:33 AM   #17
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I agree with you, but there was no reason to grind the sides or top of this guide, since it was the first guide above the ferrule, in which there was plenty of width on the rod blank, for the full width of the guide. Look at how narrow the foot is where the yoke of the guide would have met. Why weaken a guide, when you don't have to?
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