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Old 05-21-2013, 05:58 PM   #1
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Oregon and Washington Salmon migrate through British Columbia!
Salmon Confidential is a new film on the government cover up of what is killing BC’s wild salmon. When biologist Alexandra Morton discovers BC’s wild salmon are testing positive for dangerous European salmon viruses associated with salmon farming worldwide, a chain of events is set off by government to suppress the findings. Tracking viruses, Morton moves from courtrooms, into British Columbia’s most remote rivers, Vancouver grocery stores and sushi restaurants. The film documents Morton’s journey as she attempts to overcome government and industry roadblocks thrown in her path and works to bring critical information to the public in time to save BC’s wild salmon.

The film provides surprising insight into the inner workings of government agencies, as well as rare footage of the bureaucrats tasked with managing our fish and the safety of our food supply.

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It really makes me wonder how something that is proven true by science can be deemed unworthy by governments and all that entailes seems to be money driven.
Even in America, Copper river mine ring a bell?
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It really makes me wonder how something that is proven true by science can be deemed unworthy by governments and all that entailes seems to be money driven.
Even in America, Copper river mine ring a bell?
Easy.... $$$ trumps science any day of the week
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Great documentary. Thanks for sharing.
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My god... not this again.

We already had a lengthy discussion on this.

There is no ISA in BC, WA or OR. There is no cover-up.

These people are anti salmon farm and are lying to bring bad attention to the farms.
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Great information. So many questions ??????????????????????
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My god... not this again.

We already had a lengthy discussion on this.

There is no ISA in BC, WA or OR. There is no cover-up.

These people are anti salmon farm and are lying to bring bad attention to the farms.
It is worth noting that chance has a vested interest in aquaculture and likes to support his position with studies that show how farming isn't dangerous. I like many on this site feel it is a risk we don't need to take with our precious salmon. If he and others manage to suppress the risk involved in these practices the inevitable will eventually happen. His name is so ironic.....Chance! do we need to take a chance with our salmon stocks that already have so many things going against them? Yes this topic was already brought up but it is worth going over again and again until everyone realizes the risks.
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It is worth noting that chance has a vested interest in aquaculture and likes to support his position with studies that show how farming isn't dangerous. I like many on this site feel it is a risk we don't need to take with our precious salmon. If he and others manage to suppress the risk involved in these practices the inevitable will eventually happen. His name is so ironic.....Chance! do we need to take a chance with our salmon stocks that already have so many things going against them? Yes this topic was already brought up but it is worth going over again and again until everyone realizes the risks.
Please show us where ISA has been detected anywhere in NW waters including BC by anyone other than these people.

The feds, tribes and state agencies have tried to find it but cannot. Why not?

Why did 2010 have one of the largest sockeye returns to the Fraser in recorded history? Did ISA go on vacation? Why is the data from this BY being avoided?
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Please show us where ISA has been detected anywhere in NW waters including BC by anyone other than these people.

The feds, tribes and state agencies have tried to find it but cannot. Why not?

Why did 2010 have one of the largest sockeye returns to the Fraser in recorded history? Did ISA go on vacation? Why is the data from this BY being avoided?
This makes for an interesting counter point:

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/

I'm curious if you might be 1 of 100 from Idaho?
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Alexandra Morton is my new hero. I adore her and what she is doing.
I need to meet this woman. I would give my life for this purpose!!!! Cried thru the whole thing!
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On this date, December 17, 2013 none of the viruses Alexandra Morton claims she has detected have been detected by any government agency actively searching for them in our region of the Pacific using detection techniques far more advanced than the methods she claims were used.

Keep in mind large sums of money have been spent testing for these viruses since her claims were made. WADDL set up testing procedures specifically for these perceived threats, yet their laboratory has detected nothing. Zilch. Nada. The US salmon hatchery that exists closest to the Canadian border -- the hatchery that produces the fish that come in close proximity to salmon farms and "infected" sockeye as both juveniles and adults-- has tested negative for any of these viruses.

Was it good for agencies to test for these threats? You bet -- but the threat was false and intentionally instigated by one of the most outspoken anti salmon farm advocates to live.

Why did she lie? To simply bring attention to her cause of destroying the salmon farming industry.
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And PRV?

Did you even watch the vid?
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And PRV?

Did you even watch the vid?
Call your regional pathologist and ask them about PRV detections in fish and see what they say.

A reovirus detection doesn't mean it's the same reovirus that is suspected of some minor loss in European farming operations. A reovirus positive is just a reovirus positive. To top it off, we have native piscine reovirus species in the PNW.

And the stuff about heart and skeletal issues in Europe -- there's not much evidence that heart and skeletal issues are even caused by PRV. It's a cause and effect situation. But again, don't take my word for it. Call your regional WDFW pathologist.

There is no conspiracy. There is no coverup.
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And the stuff about heart and skeletal issues in Europe -- there's not much evidence that heart and skeletal issues are even caused by PRV. It's a cause and effect situation. But again, don't take my word for it. Call your regional WDFW pathologist.

There is no conspiracy. There is no coverup.
PRV=cause, HSMI = effect


In case there's any confusion, it's not too much different than this one….

Mortal hooking wound = cause, Dead fish = effect.
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On this date, December 17, 2013...

Why did she lie? To simply bring attention to her cause of destroying the salmon farming industry.
Who lied? Really?

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/a...y-samples.html

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interesting video for sure. I have a hard time deciphering what peoples angles are sometimes, and this is one of those times. anymore we are fed so much scientific BS it is hard to know who to stand behind. thanks for sharing, and you spurred some more investigating from me. I am certainly not pro farmed fish, and would like to see them go away
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I attended a showing of this film in Port Townsend where Alex was present and took questions from the audience after the showing. too bad Chance was not there as his line of thought would have been destroyed by Alex in about 4 nano seconds. suppressing evidence, or not looking for it, combined with closing the only certified lab in Canada will not make these diseases go away. we risk further negative impacts on our pacific stocks the longer these net pens are allowed to function.

but as is the case in all big business, they rule the day with the bucks and can easily get away with doing harm to our environment and natural resources. the importation of contaminated eggs from Norway got this entire thing started and it continues today, unchecked.

now the other interesting thing is these net pen fish are treated with SLICE, a toxic pesticide, to control the outbreak of sea lice, after all they are packed like sardines in these net pens. after harvest, they are not checked by the Canadian equivalent of the FDA and certified as SLICE free. instead they are imported in the US for distribution everywhere. the FDA clearly states that any product treated with SLICE cannot be sold as a food source for human consumption. who in the US is checking for the presence of SLICE? NO ONE. if I were Chance, i'd just claim it does not exist.

avoiding net pen raised atlantic salmon at the grocery store is a great idea, pass it along to everyone you know.
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eyefish,

The only sources you have provided have come from groups associated with Alexandra Morton. That said, using those sources to make claims about fish disease in our region is very similar to quoting Alex Jones on claims about the Federal Reserve. Please see the links to the documents below.

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I am not discussing sea lice. That is a completely separate issue. My focus in these discussion has been on the claims that foreign viruses have been detected in Pacific stocks, specifically ISA. To date, ISA has not been found in our region.

I'm trying to wrap my head around assumptions that there is a coverup. Why on earth would US government entities try to protect Canadian fish farming operations? There is no benefit from this. I would argue that US interests do no coincide with foreign salmon farming, especially when wild catches are far more valuable. What interests do Washington tribes have in protecting Canadian salmon farmers? You do understand the tribal policy on farmed fish, correct? Washington tribes were very willing to participate in the testing, and for reason.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/may3013a/

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicatio...pacific_nw.pdf

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources...Fact_Sheet.pdf


Q. Which fish are most susceptible to the ISA virus?
A.
ISA has caused high death rates in Atlantic salmon
under farmed and laboratory conditions.
Several species of marine and freshwater fish can be
infected with ISA without showing any apparent signs of
disease. However, ISA has not caused die-offs in wild
populations of any species.

Q. Is ISA found in the Pacific Northwest?
A.
No. While some media reports indicate that ISA
virus is found in both farmed and wild salmon from
British Columbia, Canada, these statements are not
accurate. In October 2011, university researchers from
British Columbia reported finding ISA in wild salmon
from British Columbia; however, the Canadian Food
Inspection Agency (CFIA), the Federal agency with
authority for fish health in Canada, tested fish tissue
samples from British Columbia using internationally
approved methods and found no ISA virus present. ISA
has never been confirmed in the Pacific Northwest.

When everything is said and done, who am I going to believe? An anti-salmon farm group that used suspect testing techniques, or multiple US and Canadian agencies at the most advanced animal disease testing laboratories in the world? To me, the answer is simple.

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After 6 months of asking the CFIA to confirm whether they retested my ISA virus samples or not - I got an answer from the Ministry of Health.


Dear Minister Ambrose
Thank you for prompting the CFIA to finally answer my question; did they retest the samples I sent to the Kibenge lab for ISA virus testing or not?

Dr. D. Ian Alexander (CFIA) says in his letter to me that my samples were never retested.











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So why did CFIA not re-test Morton's ISA-positive samples?

Because they simply DON'T want to find ISA in BC.

But here's the historic record....

ISA has been imported via contaminated eggs from Norway to Chilean fish farms.

ISA has been imported via contaminated eggs from Norway to the Canadian East Coast fish farms. It has been reported in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland.

Does anyone actually believe the same thing won't happen in BC?
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Please....! What's to worry.... ? Government officials, their scientific advisors and fishing industry cohorts have it all "under control". Look at how well they have done so far to protect us from all Salmonids even those invasive, "sterile" farmed species.

We will never get the real story behind this until it is probably too late.

BTW: Atlantic Salmon (tainted or not) continue to show up at the mouths of some North Sound rivers each year since the escapement some years back. Nature always finds a way to evolve despite our best efforts to do them otherwise.

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I attended a showing of this film in Port Townsend where Alex was present and took questions from the audience after the showing. too bad Chance was not there as his line of thought would have been destroyed by Alex in about 4 nano seconds. suppressing evidence, or not looking for it, combined with closing the only certified lab in Canada will not make these diseases go away. we risk further negative impacts on our pacific stocks the longer these net pens are allowed to function.

but as is the case in all big business, they rule the day with the bucks and can easily get away with doing harm to our environment and natural resources. the importation of contaminated eggs from Norway got this entire thing started and it continues today, unchecked.

now the other interesting thing is these net pen fish are treated with SLICE, a toxic pesticide, to control the outbreak of sea lice, after all they are packed like sardines in these net pens. after harvest, they are not checked by the Canadian equivalent of the FDA and certified as SLICE free. instead they are imported in the US for distribution everywhere. the FDA clearly states that any product treated with SLICE cannot be sold as a food source for human consumption. who in the US is checking for the presence of SLICE? NO ONE. if I were Chance, i'd just claim it does not exist.

avoiding net pen raised atlantic salmon at the grocery store is a great idea, pass it along to everyone you know.
Let us not confuse Fish Farm raised fish with fish that are raised only to smolt size in net pens. Big difference.
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am I going to believe? An anti-salmon farm group that used suspect testing techniques, or multiple US and Canadian agencies at the most advanced animal disease testing laboratories in the world? To me, the answer is simple.


so lets see. the certified lab in Nova Scotia which confirmed the results of Alex was closed under pressure from the Harper government. you can't get objective testing from Canadian government sources, only muzzling of Canadian scientists who have the evidence but are prohibited from speaking under duress from that same Harper government.

now take the example of Brazil or was it Chile who killed ALL atlantic salmon in their net pens due to this disease caused by the same Norwegian eggs. they have totally switched to raising pacific salmon without incident since.

and this another billion dollar industry who saw the hand writing on the wall and took action. only BC under the protection of Harper are continuing with this ecological disaster. wonder where the 12,000,000 Fraser smolts went?? diseased on their way out to open water never to be heard from again. government investigation, since muzzled, had the dirt on this but shut down by Harper.

OR, we could just listen to those with a vested interest, Chance, in pen raising fish for distribution without certification of being pesticide free.

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so lets see. the certified lab in Nova Scotia which confirmed the results of Alex was closed under pressure from the Harper government. you can't get objective testing from Canadian government sources, only muzzling of Canadian scientists who have the evidence but are prohibited from speaking under duress from that same Harper government.

now take the example of Brazil or was it Chile who killed ALL atlantic salmon in their net pens due to this disease caused by the same Norwegian eggs. they have totally switched to raising pacific salmon without incident since.

and this another billion dollar industry who saw the hand writing on the wall and took action. only BC under the protection of Harper are continuing with this ecological disaster. wonder where the 12,000,000 Fraser smolts went?? diseased on their way out to open water never to be heard from again. government investigation, since muzzled, had the dirt on this but shut down by Harper.

OR, we could just listen to those with a vested interest, Chance, in pen raising fish for distribution without certification of being pesticide free.
I can think of many legitimate reasons the Fraser sockeye population is highly variable. If I remember correctly, you are aware ocean conditions cause stock fluctuation. How can people blame ocean conditions for poor stock abundance one day and then blame undetected pathogens the next?

The fact remains that many of the ecological pressures we experience in Washington are happening in BC. These pressures include rapid development, poor logging practices, and anthropogenically sourced trophic disruptions, among many other identified problems.

How come a near-record sockeye return occurred in 2010? Did the pathogens go on vacation? The Fraser sockeye return is forecast to be extremely large this year. If the forecast comes true, what assumptions will people have about foreign pathogens?

Here are a few facts that can be cited by multiple documents:

1.) ISA is not known to be either virulent to Pacific salmonids, nor is it known to be a causative agent of any detrimental symptoms for Pacific salmonids.
2.) ISA has never been documented to cause mortality in wild stocks of fish, including wild Atlantic salmon in North America or Europe.
3.) US-origin fish which come as close in proximity to BC net pen operations as BC sockeye have produced no positive detections using internationally accepted testing methods for this virus.

Should we be worried about foreign pathogens? You bet -- this is why our governments are spending lots of money to detect these viruses. WDFW, NOAA, USGS and Washington tribes have absolutely no reason (none, nada) to protect BC net pen operations. If you believe there is a conspiracy, then there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise.

These discussions are good to have, but when they distract from factors that we know affect Pacific salmonid stocks, we have a problem. We know that the Fraser River basin is experiencing some of the most rapid human development in the entire world. We know that logging is uncontrolled in BC. We know that BC municipalities dump raw, untreated sewage into the saltwater. We know that nearshore saltwater productivity is compromised by anthropogenic sources.

I won't dispute ecological issues created by net pen operations. Many of those problems are documented. However, we have bigger fish to fry when it comes down to addressing factors that affect abundance.
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My god... not this again.

We already had a lengthy discussion on this.

There is no ISA in BC, WA or OR. There is no cover-up.

These people are anti salmon farm and are lying to bring bad attention to the farms.
Freespool wants to know if you have a peer review study to support your assertions.

and that you are not a farmed salmon supporter

and yes, I think I started the last thread. Washington WDFW has denied any existence of these viruses in Wa waters, but it doesn't mean that BC is free of it. EYES don't always deceive.
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here is a synopsis of events that all are aimed at masking the impacts of the BC net pens:

http://www.alternativesjournal.ca/po...gainst-ecology

a pretty good summary of the Harper governments war on science. note the closing of the PEI lab which substantiated Alex's findings. they have just now turned over environmental control for pipeline sighting to the group that controls pipelines.

if you have ever had a dream about fishing Canadian waters for big Steelhead, better get it done pretty fast as the Kitmat pipeline is going to be crossing these storied waters, a leak just waiting to happen. and remember, the tar sands leak in Michigan, some 4 years ago, has yet to be cleaned up.

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2 points I'll make on this:

1) The Canadian government should be required to test farmed fish that use public waters for these diseases on a regular basis. That they are not testing and leaving the public in the dark is confirming they are afraid of something. Generally, where there's smoke, there's fire.

2) The same type of debate, hush hush, and repression of new data happens in human medicine too, including right here in the good old USA. Every time a new discovery is made, someone else's career is destroyed. If you read about the discovery of AIDS or Helicobacter ulcers, you'll see what I mean.
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2 points I'll make on this:

1) The Canadian government should be required to test farmed fish that use public waters for these diseases on a regular basis. That they are not testing and leaving the public in the dark is confirming they are afraid of something. Generally, where there's smoke, there's fire.

2) The same type of debate, hush hush, and repression of new data happens in human medicine too, including right here in the good old USA. Every time a new discovery is made, someone else's career is destroyed. If you read about the discovery of AIDS or Helicobacter ulcers, you'll see what I mean.
Salmon farming is a for-profit business. Diseases that cause loss to stock mean lost money. Chronic disease problems will kill any fish farming company, period.

Why do I bring this up? If a salmon farm has disease issues, they are going to resolve those disease issues before they lose fish. They won't wait for a government entity to test their fish to determine if they're sick enough. Larger salmon farms have salaried pathologists and veterinarians. If a problem is observed, it's dealt with immediately. Smaller farms that cannot pay to have salaried pathologists send their samples to independent labs for analysis. There are many companies that specialize in detecting pathogens for the private sector. This is no different than what ranchers or dairy farmers do if symptoms are detected.

In intensive aquaculture, symptomatic diseases are not as common as you might think. Let me remind you that for-profit aquaculture has narrow margins. Any effort that minimizes disease and mortality is always conducted. There are preventative measures in place to stop diseases or disease transmission from happening in the first place, and these preventative measures don't require chemicals or medication.

In addition, inspections of facilities and carcass sampling by DFO personnel already occur.

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquacul...sante-eng.html
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Just a hunch, but is Chance in the farming business?
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I feel this is one of the main reasons of all evil.....GREED.. It's all about the money. Keep doing what were doing and make lots of money until we get caught or shut down...Sad.. GREAT video.. Thanks for sharing.. We have a large decline of Salmon on the rivers around here (Sacramento) and I think a lot of has to do with shipping our water to Southern California..Our rivers seem to be lacking water all year long..But if they can sell water to So-Cal they are ok with it..GREED...
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The truth about net-pen feedlot salmon farming...

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Importing any species foreign to an ecosystem is a really bad idea. In almost every case the consequences have been detrimental, and often catastrophic, to the existing system when, WHEN not IF, that species escapes into the wild and establishes itself in the habitat. If these fish were name Atlantic Carp instead of Atlantic Salmon would we be importing them without controversy? The existence of importing diseases with the Atlantic Salmon aside, the simple act of introducing a species to an environment where it previously does not exist has a terrible track record and we have apparently not learned our lesson.
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VINDICATION!

https://www.coastmountainnews.com/ne...om-b-c-waters/


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That is really good news..too bad has to be another 5 yrs tho. I would be will to make a large bet that the chain reaction of the starfish kelp and abalone die off on the west coast originated from some virus that was born in those BC floating salmon feedlots.
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Thanks Doc for article link. For as much as we fish WCVI, I found it a really interesting read. There was one issue of concern though:

"An aquaculture representative weighed in as well."

“The announcement of Canada’s first Oceans Strategy is very important and seafood farming will play a critical role,” Kennedy noted. “We look forward to discussions with partners in B.C. to develop a responsible plan for the future of salmon farming in the province.”

It really reminded me of 2013, Governor Kitzhaber, and the promised removal of non-selective Kill Nets on the Columbia by 2018. Is this the same lip service we received while the government and the perpetrator continue to walk hand in hand? I hope in Canada, they see a different result.
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Who are the worst liars?


Democrats
Republicans
The Aquaculture Industry
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Environmentalists.....


But then again I have trust issues.LOL


Excellent read/watch. Thanks for those that posted information.
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