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Old 02-19-2011, 11:39 AM   #1
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IS there anyway we can get a sticky fly tying thread/fly's thread where we can ask questions about flys and tying and share different flys?

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Old 02-19-2011, 08:10 PM   #2
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You can just keep this one active....

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pretty cool, does it have a name
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Wow thats a nice fly! I'll go first with the questions since im a beginner, can you use normal thread for like sewing to tie?
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You can. Though sewing thread has a fairly large diameter most of the time. Really the only things it is good for is really large flies. Works great on steelhead jigs also. For most trout and steelhead/salmon flies you will find it is MUCH easier to tie with fly tying thread.

Wish I had a better camera, I'd post up some of mine.
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Ok thanks, I need to buy sme tying thread then, any recommendations? Cause I got a cabelas kit for christmas and the thread seems to break alot.
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How far are you from your nearest fly tying shop?

I like to use. 6/0 uni. http://rmdstore.com/thread-12/?zenid...f30f2246ece326


You don't have to put tons of pressure on material to keep it on a hook. Thicker thread builds bulk quickly which can be bad for many fly patterns.

You first need to determine what you want to catch, the flies that are best suited for that, and then the materials to build those flys. Generally speaking, black or red 6/0 uni can be used to tie almost every pattern you want to fish with.....

You are starting so I make some generalizations, but the fine details take years and most are well beyond my desires or needs.....

A few I have tied and caught fish with......









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I will play.. I just started tying about 2 weeks ago, but picked it up pretty quick..



Another verson..



Hook: size 2 dai-riki #899
Thread: (top) 8/0 red uni (bottom) 8/0 black uni
Body: (top) blue Pop-A-Top yarn pulled apart to dub very thin and flat silver mylar ribbing (bottom) peacock mylar
Front Hackle: (top) natural guinea (bottom) purple saddle
Rear Hackle: (top) red saddle (bottom) purple saddle
Thorax: (behind both front and rear hackle) 3 pieces of peacock herl (tied tight behing the hackle to keep it from folding when wet)
Tail: (top) small guinea feather on top of a red saddle tip (bottom) purple saddle tip

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It would help me if posters named the fly pictures. Helps my learning curve.
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It would help me if posters named the fly pictures. Helps my learning curve.
Good point!

I don't have a name for mine... just kinda made it up..
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Good point!

I don't have a name for mine... just kinda made it up..
Sort of. Many of these are custom flies and thus don't have a name, and even if it did it wouldn't help you in any way because the pattern is so unique. The best thing to do would be to post up some material lists.
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Thanks for the thread advice! I will try to get a picture of my flys tonight. Those flys look very tasty!
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Sort of. Many of these are custom flies and thus don't have a name, and even if it did it wouldn't help you in any way because the pattern is so unique. The best thing to do would be to post up some material lists.
I see your point, and yes a materials list could be helpful. I know that I substitute materials regulary. The real test is at the water.
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Updated my fly with a list..
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:30 PM   #15
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I'll play - here's some I tied up tonight...



The gold bead body I call a Goldie Lochs - the other is my take on a huge Copper John (it's tied on a size 8 XL shank mustad streamer hook)



The ones in the left column a friend of mine dubbed "Flying Chainsaw Demons" - the name fits and I can't think of a better one. The other column is generic peacock bodied flies, and some black bead bodied nymphs.



Black rabbit strip buggers - split tails, and a pair of egg-sucking versions.

Just a little bit of what I've tied up lately.
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Old 02-21-2011, 06:10 AM   #16
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pretty cool, does it have a name
I call it "Z Special". It's defiantly an attraction pattern.

I'm just using olive kevlar thread for tying currently.
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These are all great flies guys!!! The wet flies rock!
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Old 02-21-2011, 06:42 PM   #18
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stillnscribs - nice ties! The final three are some of my favorites but the Lady is supreme!

What is the overwing on the GBS single? I like the sleekness of that tie.
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stillnscribs - nice ties! The final three are some of my favorites but the Lady is supreme!

What is the overwing on the GBS single? I like the sleekness of that tie.
White bear. Private reserve 1950s stock.
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The gold bead body I call a Goldie Lochs...
are those beads weighted
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The gold beads are metal beads, yes. They get down in the water column pretty darn quickly

The black beads I'm using on other patterns are ceramic beads.
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White bear. Private reserve 1950s stock.
mmmm...nothing like it.

I thought that might be what it was, but in the pic it almost looked like thin flashabou.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:57 PM   #23
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I see "polar bear" fur for sell at some fly fishing places, is it actually real polar bear hair???
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To me, most fly builds call for a material that you don't have. I feel that substituting a similiar material can be used in alot of cases. Maybe your substituted material makes your fly superior? I remember tying flies that looked good to me, more than a fish. It turns out that some of my colorful flies 40 yrs ago might be a new hot fly. You need to try then.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:48 PM   #25
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Ok well I started the thread so I should contribute to the pics, whata guys think?

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I think they're a great start. Where do you intend to use them?
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Im really not sure, just where ever I guess. I dont fly fish very often but really want to start doing it this summer. Im just havin fun making them for now and then hopefully going to catch fish on them this summer.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:51 PM   #28
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Might I suggest you get some books from the library on fly tying and tie some from the other thread on favorite fly patterns. While you can catch fish on any fly, starting with standard patterns will help with learning how to tie better patterns and will probably improve your catch when you finally fish.

Once you learn the basics you can buy one pattern at a fly shop and tie many copies, or you can look at pictures on the web.
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Thanks, I bought like 40$ worth of books...Prolly went a little overboard, I coulda spent that on materials!
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I agree. Take advantage of your local library!
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Finished off my stock of hooks tonight... I burned through what I had in nymph/streamer hooks the other night - tonight I tied up 49 dries & wets using what I had left of my #14 dry fly hooks (I've been lazy about restocking my hooks the last couple seasons. I see a trip to Fisherman's in my future)



I also tied up a bunch of micro jigs for the impending trout season using some 1/64th and 1/80th oz jigs I got from Cabela's yesterday. Love the Lacey store, can't wait for the OC store to open.

Had to tie up the micro jigs because we can't use soft plastic lures in artificial only water - thus I can't use my Trout Magnets for trout fishing where I fish for trout. :P
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:23 AM   #33
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Hey I also started tying jigs, can you maybe send me pics of those micros? I have been tying a couple of steelhead jigs but want to tie some trout ones.
Ok heres a question, I need advice on finishing off my flies. I do the whip finish knot and normally then put a dab of super glue just to make sure, should I only do whip or what? Will it hold with just the knot and will the super glue make the trout not want it??
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I do 3 to 4 half hitches when I finish off my jigs with kelvar thread. Seems to hold just fine.

When I'm doing my flies, I do either a 5 spin whip finish or 3-4 half hitches and then a dab of head cement.
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Ok thanks Im not 100% what the half hitch/spin hitch knots are lol

Do you think the fish will smell the super glue and not bite?
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I do a double or triple whip finish and call it good usually - some patterns I'll finish off with head cement - but usually I just leave the thread bare.

And I'll see if I can't get some better pix of my jigs tonight for you.
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Here's a few steelhead patterns I tied up:

Pics are a little blurry, I know, it's the best i could do.
If anyone wants a material list, just ask, I can post it.

Not sure what this is called...pretty sure it has a name though


GBS, strung out


Cracked out Intruder



MOAL leech


Metal Detector, slightly varied
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Whip finish Many videos on youtube, if you get a whip finisher get a rotating one, will work a lot easier IMO. Fly dab some head cement on it.
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Okay - as promised, here's some pix of the microjigs...











That's a few of them - most of the micro jigs are like these.
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And here's some of the flies I tied up today, after paying a visit to Don at River City for more hooks











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Ok thanks Im not 100% what the half hitch/spin hitch knots are lol

Do you think the fish will smell the super glue and not bite?
A half hitch is the same knot your whip finisher produces without the use of the whip finisher tool. You do a half hitch with your fingers or with a half hitch tool which is the handle of your bodkin on some types. The thread is just folded over itself and the looped over the hook eye and pulled tight.

I don't think the fish smell the glue, although I have read to rub your fresh flies in moss or mud to get the smell off of them. With all the dyes that are in the materials I don't think the glues will have an effect. In one of Andy Burke's videos he talks using glue from the base thread throughout the fly becasue the fly will hold together longer.
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Puting glue at the base thread is something I have not done yet. Sounds like good advise. thanks.
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A half hitch is the same knot your whip finisher produces without the use of the whip finisher tool. You do a half hitch with your fingers or with a half hitch tool which is the handle of your bodkin on some types. The thread is just folded over itself and the looped over the hook eye and pulled tight.

I don't think the fish smell the glue, although I have read to rub your fresh flies in moss or mud to get the smell off of them. With all the dyes that are in the materials I don't think the glues will have an effect. In one of Andy Burke's videos he talks using glue from the base thread throughout the fly becasue the fly will hold together longer.
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Thank you very much NCL!

And MK thanks for sharing those pics, I want to try to make some like that soon. And I love river city, don is a great guy. He gave me a small discount on stuff I was buying because...well because hes such a nice guy lol I needa head over there and buy some stuff I dont need.
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I've been using finger nail polish to glue and coat my flies , i can match what color thread i'm using with all kind of different colors of polish . you can also add stripes with felt pens then coat it with clear finger nail polish and it wont rub off . mostly use sally hansen hard as nails , unless i'm using the colored ones ! just found it was easier to use for me , the bottles and brushes are just alot less messy and faster with the brush right on the caps , and you can cut the tips of the brushes down to real small size if need be !
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Do you catch fish on them? You would think the smell might scare em away...
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Sorry the pic is kinda big but heres a salmon fly I just made, I was just kinda playin around. And the hook isnt made for a salmon fly either...
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Do you catch fish on them? You would think the smell might scare em away...
A lot of fly tying materials, especially hackle necks, reek of moth balls so I doubt the nail polish would put off much of a scent if it has dried well.
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Oh ok thanks, thats a relief because I was worried they wouldnt bite on any of my flies because they would smell it...Now I just got to get the trick of making them look tasty down


Also another Q I have burlap but I dont really know whats its used for, any patterns that I can use it for??
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Oh ok thanks, thats a relief because I was worried they wouldnt bite on any of my flies because they would smell it...Now I just got to get the trick of making them look tasty down


Also another Q I have burlap but I dont really know whats its used for, any patterns that I can use it for??

Burlap is a great material and if you do a web search you should a steelhead pattern called a Burlap. Basically you can use burlap to wind a body similar to how you would use chenille or any other body material. You can also use it to weave a body using two colors. Check flyangleronline.com for a great tutorial on weaving a stone fly.
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Ok thanks, that site has been very helpful to me. Anyone ever tried their "kool-aid" dye process? I would love to try and start dying my own materials. I cant wait for bird season to come around so that I can get feathers.
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Kool-aid works great for most colors. I have read that blue and purple are the least consistent, but haven't tried those colors myself, I use other dye for those colors. I am told you should buy black materials, haven't tries black either.
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Ok maybe im just a little slow but ive found a great tech. for practicing knots and just tying in general. Put your bodkin in your vise handle pointing toward the vise then just do everything on there. Like I use to to see how a certain feather is going to look on the hook and what not and works great, or for practicing doing knots. Dunno if yall already use this but it was helpful for me and might be for other beginners.
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:50 PM   #54
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Heres a small jig I tied up last night
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some flies for the two hander
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I changed my "Z Special" up a bit tonight. Tied these up for a fly swap on another board.

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Not sure what this is called...pretty sure it has a name though

Looks pretty similar to Mike Kinney's Skagit Minnow by the construction, with a few variations. Nice tie!
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This is the perfect example for the finger nail polish , coat head of lead jigs with what ever color you want ! might take 2 or 3 coats , and dont get caught stealing it from girl friend or wife !!!
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:19 AM   #60
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Haha got it. Maybe my sister has some that I can "borrow" but thanks for the advice! I definately will try that.
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