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Old 03-05-2008, 05:29 PM   #1
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Default Which Hunter Get Shot In Oregon? (Long)

The Hunter Orange thread comes up frequently and therr are usualy comments wondering what percentage of incidents involve victims wearing orange versus shootings where orange was not present.

The following listing lifted from ODFW's website is a tracking of all reported two-party hunting shootings in Oregon 1996-2007. I think I have included ALL two-party incidents, but I edited out self-inflicted wounds since wearing orange would not have made any difference unless it was Kevlar.

Some of the incidents below are just accidental discharges where clothing color wouldn’t have made a difference. The more interesting shootings involve line-of-fire errors and mistaken-for-game shootings.

The numbers at the start of each paragraph delineate the year of the shooting and the sequential number of the shooting for that year. You can read the reports and make your own informed decision as to whether orange is an effective preventive or not. Each report is just as I lifted it from the ODFW site, except the 2005 comment.

Personal note – incident 97/5 should dispel all doubts about the intelligence of the other people you share the woods with. Obviously at least one end of the human gene pool is very, very shallow.

Mistaken For Game
96/1 Washington County: The shooter saw an elk which disappeared into the fog. He thought he saw the rear end of it reappear about 80 yards away and fired his scoped 30.06 hitting his hunting partner in the chest. The victim was wearing a black jacket with orange shoulder patches and a dirty white hat. He was also wearing an orange sweat shirt, but it was not visible with his jacket fastened up. FATAL

Victim Out Of Sight Of Shooter
96/2 Yamhill County: The victim and his two partners were hunting blacktail deer. They started off in different directions however after a short time, the victim decided to change direction and head towards the shooter (without telling him). A deer ran from between them and when his partner shot his 30.06, the victim received a glancing blow to the temple. The victim and shooter were both wearing camouflage clothing and were less than 50 yards apart. The victim was able to walk out! Victim was not wearing Blaze Orange. NOT FATAL

96/3 Wasco County: The victim who is hearing impaired was hit by two pellets from his partners shotgun. He was out of sight of his partner at the time that the bird flushed. Victim was not wearing Blaze Orange. NOT FATAL

96/4 Grant County: The shooter and the victim were attempting to flush some quail out of thick brush. When the birds flushed, both hunter shot and the victim was hit by three pellets from his partners gun. Victim was not wearing Blaze Orange. NOT FATAL

96/5 Malheur County: Pheasant hunting party had just left their vehicles and were loading their shotguns as they walked down the road. Shooter a 13 year old male who had not completed Hunter Education, placed two shells in his 20 gauge Savage model 311 (side by side) and the gun discharged (left barrel) as he closed the action. His father, who was walking about five feet in front, was hit in the right calf. This gun has double triggers and when the action is closed the safety must be manually pushed to the rear (safe). Shooter does not think he had his finger on the trigger but it was his first hunt and he was not very familiar with the firearm. Both parties were cited: "No Hunter Education card" and "Aiding No Hunter Education card". NOT FATAL
96/6 Malheur County: The shooter was following the victim crawling through heavy brush on a pheasant hunt. He slipped and lost control of the shotgun which discharged when it hit the ground. The charge struck the victim in the calf. NOT FATAL

96/7 Baker County: The shooter and the victim (who were aged 17 and 18 respectively and had both completed Hunter Education when they were 10) were hunting squirrels together. They were walking with the victim slightly ahead and to the left of the shooter. The shooter was using a borrowed .22 lever action Marlin and maintains that the gun just "went off" causing a wound to the fleshy part of the victims upper leg. NOT FATAL

Victim Out Of Sight Of Shooter
97/1 Harney County: A group of six people were hunting rabbits in sagebrush. The victim had moved out of sight of the shooter who shot his .223 Winchester model 70 at a running rabbit. The victim, who was wearing blaze orange, was struck in the lower leg by a bullet that appears to be a ricochet as it barely broke the skin. NOT FATAL

Shooter Swinging On Game
97/2 Malheur County: Three juveniles were hunting pheasants on private land (owned by the family of one of the hunters). The eldest, the only one who had completed Hunter Education, shot at a pheasant and slightly wounded the two younger boys who were about 70 yards away. None of the hunters were wearing blaze orange. NOT FATAL

Victim Mistaken For Game - Archery
97/5 Baker County: The victim and the shooter, each with a hunting partner, were bugling for elk late afternoon in the general archery season. Each heard the other and mistaking the sound for a bull elk moved towards the other hunters. It was now almost dark (after legal shooting hours) and they were still bugling at each other and moving closer. The victim stood up on a road and was shot with an arrow in the stomach from about 20 yards. The shooter was cited for assault while committing a crime (hunting out of legal hours). NOT FATAL

Victim Out Of Sight Of Shooter
98/1 Columbia County: The victim, who was accompanied by his father, was hunting pheasants on Sauvie Island Wildlife Area during the annual youth pheasant hunt. He was shot from a distance of about 50 yards by another youth who was also accompanied by his parent. The shooter fired at a low flying pheasant but could not see the victim because of the tall grass. The victim was struck in the face and upper body by a number of pellets. Both youths were wearing Blaze Orange hats. NOT FATAL

98/2 Malheur County: The shooter fired once at a pheasant and two pellets hit another hunter. The victim was riding an ATV to his hunting area and was obscured from the shooter both by some heavy vegetation and by the dust cloud caused by the ATV. The shooter was aware of the ATV, but thought it was a safe distance away when he shot. NOT FATAL

Victim Out Of Sight Of Shooter
99/1 Crook County: Three hunters were illegally hunting quail after the season had closed. Two were on one side of a brush pile and the shooter was on the other side. When quail flushed and he shot, pellets hit both his hunting partners. Neither victim was wearing blaze orange. NOT FATAL

99/2 Union County: The victim (age 9) and another non-hunting minor were accompanying two adults on a drift hunt for pheasants and quail on the Grande Ronde River. One of the adults landed from the raft and moved through brush flushing two birds. When he shot, one pellet hit the victim in the arm. NOT FATAL

Victim In Line Of Fire
99/3 Deschutes County: Both this incident and incident 4/99 occurred during the same youth pheasant hunt on Deep Creek Hunting Preserve. The victim was accompanying her 12-year-old son and was hit by 13 pellets when two youths who were about 60-100 yards behind her, shot at a pheasant. One of the shooters subsequently became the victim in incident 4/99. All participants in the hunt were wearing blaze orange hats. NOT FATAL

99/4 Deschutes County: The shooter's dog pointed a pheasant, which ran a partial circle before flying. The shooter (age 13) fired when the bird was about ten feet up and then noticed the blaze orange hat of the victim, another hunter, who was hit by one pellet in the neck. The distance between the shooter and the victim was estimated to be 50-70 yards. All participants in the hunt were wearing blaze orange hats. NOT FATAL

99/5 Malheur County: The victim, who was a participant in a youth pheasant hunt, was hit by several pellets from an unknown shooter. The pellets barely penetrated the skin indicating that they were fired from some distance away. All participants in the hunt were wearing blaze orange hats. NOT FATAL

99/6 Klamath County: The victim and his partner were waterfowl hunting from a boat on Klamath Lake early on a foggy morning. They were aware of another boat about 30-40 yards away. Some ducks passed between the two boats and the other hunters fired, striking the victim with approximately seven pellets. NOT FATAL

Mistaken For Game
99/7 Clackamas County: The shooter and the victim were members of the same hunting party participating in the High Cascade deer hunt near Timothy Lake. The shooter heard a movement, thought he saw antlers and an ear and shot twice into the brush below. The first shot hit one hunter's rifle stock and the second hit his son (age 12) in the chest. The shooter was using a bolt action rifle with open sights. Victim was wearing blue and green clothing with no visible blaze orange. FATAL
99/8 Klamath County: The shooter was hunting in moderately dense timber when he thought he saw antlers about 60 yards away. He crouched down and saw what he believed to be the brown legs of a deer. He shot into the brush and his bullet went through the scope of the victim's rifle into his chest. The shooter was using a bolt action 300 Win Mag with a 6 x scope. The victim was wearing brown pants and a plaid shirt with no blaze orange. FATAL

Shooter Swinging On Game
1/00 Umatilla County. A father and two sons were on one side of a creek hunting quail while the shooter was on the opposite side. One quail flushed between them and went to their rear and when the shooter swung around and fired he hit the younger boy (a non-hunter) with 2 pellets. Victim not wearing blaze orange. Not Fatal.

Victim In Line Of Fire 2/00 Morrow County. The shooter and the victim were members of the same chukar hunting group. They were walking up a canyon when a chukar flew up and the shooter fired hitting the victim with several shotgun pellets in the right leg. Victim not wearing blaze orange. Not Fatal.

3/00 Morrow County. The victim was a member of a three-person quail hunting party, hunting in heavy brush along the Columbia River. When a quail flushed and landed behind them, the party turned and the victim went out of sight of the shooter. The quail flushed again and just as the shooter fired, the victim appeared on a small hill and was hit in the face and neck. Victim not wearing blaze orange. Not Fatal.

Shooter Failed to Identify Target 4/00 Josephine County. The victim was a member of a three person bear hunting group hunting a clear cut area. During the hunt, the shooter heard a noise in the brush and saw something brown. He fired his .444 rifle and hit his partner in the upper arm. None of the hunters were wearing Blaze Orange. Not Fatal.

5/00 Douglas County. The victim aged 13, was member of a family elk-hunting group in the coast range. He and his grandfather were both wearing yellow orange rain gear and were waiting as the others in their group drove a herd of elk towards them. As they heard the elk approaching, the victim and his grandfather were both hit by shots from another hunter who was not part of their group. The victim was killed immediately and the grandfather was hit in the arm and later released from hospital. Fatal.
6/00 Benton County. The shooter and the victim were members of the same hunting party. They were tracking a wounded deer on one of the islands of the Willamette River. The deer ran in and out of brush, and the shooter fired at it with his 12 gauge shotgun (slug). His shot missed the deer and hit his hunting partner who was not visible through the brush fatally wounding him. Victim not wearing blaze orange. Fatal.

VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME1/01 Jackson County. The shooter (age 40) heard rustling in the brush and fired at what he believed was a blacktail deer. His bullet (.338 Win Mag) hit his hunting partner in the lower back. The victim was wearing camouflage clothing. Fatal.

VICTIM OUT OF SIGHT OF SHOOTER2/01 Union County. The shooter (age 57) was stand hunting for elk and the victim was also stand hunting along a narrow meadow. An elk crossed between the two and the shooter fired seeing only brush in the background. The bullet (80gr .243) struck a fir limb and was deflected. The lead core separated from the jacket and struck the victim in the thigh severing the femoral artery which caused the victim to bleed to death. The victim was not wearing any Blaze Orange clothing. Fatal

3/01 Douglas County. The victim and shooter (age 23) were hunting quail in dense brush and lost sight of each other. The shooter shot at a quail running on the ground and three of the pellets ricocheted, hitting his partner in the legs. Victim was not wearing Blaze Orange. Not Fatal

5/01 Umatilla County. The shooter (age 44) was pheasant hunting with his two sons, the younger of whom had not taken Hunter Education and was not hunting. Four pellets hit the victim who was walking along a paved road slightly ahead of the shooter when his father shot at a rising pheasant. The victim was partially obscured by the brush. Victim was not wearing Blaze Orange. Not Fatal

HORSEPLAY AFTER HUNTING4/01 Columbia County. Two young men (ages 14 and 16) who had previously illegally shot an elk during deer season were fooling around and pointing their rifles at each other. One rifle discharged and the 16-year-old was killed. Fatal

VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME
1/02 Hood River County: The shooter (male, age 49) had identified bear tracks in the area on previous days. He saw a black movement early in the morning in the area he expected to see a bear and fired one shot from his scoped, single shot Ruger .300 Weatherby. He was about 300 yards from the victim who was wearing a dark blue coat and jeans. The shooter has been indicted by grand jury with second-degree manslaughter. FATAL.

2/02 Douglas County: Victim had laid his backpack with the head and antlers of an elk on it beside his pickup when he was shot by another hunter who had seen the antlers move and thought he saw an elk. The shooter (age 59) and victim were not wearing any blaze orange and the elk rack was not marked with orange. The shooter was using a scoped rifle and was approximately 65 yards from the victim. The shooter has been indicted for criminally negligent homicide by a grand jury. FATAL.

3/02 Lane County: The victim was hunting deer near his home. He thought he heard a deer, and rattled and waved a pair of antlers. The shooter (age 19), who was about 80 yards away, saw antlers move and heard the rattle and shot at what he thought was a deer, hitting the victim through the body and one arm. Neither party was wearing any blaze orange clothing. Not Fatal.

4/02 Morrow County: Victim and shooter (brothers ages 41 and 42) were hunting pheasant on a private hunting preserve. The shooter followed a bird with his gun as it neared the ground and flew downhill to his left. When he fired, he hit the bird and his brother who was about 50 yards away. Shooter said that he knew his brother was in the area, but did not see him. Both hunters were wearing blaze orange hats and vests. Not Fatal.

5/02 Malheur County: The victim and shooter (age 60) were hunting pheasants together. The victim moved out of sight of the shooter behind a dirt bank. As he walked on to the top of it, his partner, who was 40-60 yards away, shot at a pheasant and he was hit by six pellets. Both hunters were wearing blaze orange jackets. Not Fatal.

VICTIMS OUT OF SIGHT OF SHOOTER
6/02 Umatilla County: The two victims (father and son) were in their hunting camp standing by their campfire. The shooter (age 33), who was a passenger in a vehicle being driven on a Forest Service road, shot at a flock of turkeys and struck both victims with the pellets. The shooter was cited for reckless endangering, negligently wounding, hunting turkey closed season and hunting wildlife with a motor vehicle. He received 180 days suspended jail time and over $1,500 in fines. Not Fatal.

VICTIM COVERED BY SHOOTER WHO WAS SWINGING ON GAME
12/2003 Sherman county: A hunting party of three men were pheasant hunting in a canyon. The shooter, (male,age 61)was walking down the canyon and the Victim, (male, age 55) was hunting on the north side of the ravine while the other hunter was walking on the south side. The dogs pointed out a pheasant between and behind the shooter. The dogs flushed the bird; it flew up between the Victim and the Shooter. The shooter fired and hit the bird from 20 yards away with a 12ga Browning Citori, shooting the Victim at the same time. The shooter was wearing blaze orange hat; the victim was wearing blaze orange coat. NON-FATAL

MISTAKEN FOR GAME 10/2003 Lane county: 29 year old male shot while deer hunting with a friend (male age, 29)in Cottage Grove. Neither hunter was wearing blaze orange. FATAL

DROPPED WEAPON10/2003 Columbia county: The shooter(male age, 20) was hunting deer with his brother. He carried his .270 custom rifle on his right shoulder with a sling. The shooter reached down to adjust a piece of clothing when his rifle slipped off his right shoulder. The rifle fell with the muzzle angled at the victim (male age,31). The butt of the firearm hit the ground and discharged. Neither hunters were wearing blaze orange. NON-FATAL
MARION COUNTY 3/07/2004 (Non Fatal)
Suspect and victim were shooting nutria standing side by side when the suspect hollered “nutria”. Suspect raised his shotgun and fired a single shot to the front of their location. Immediately after the shot, the suspect recalled seeing the victim raise his hand to his neck and state he had been hit. Suspect noticed the victim had been struck with a pellet in the neck and the left shoulder.
Suspect claims prior to the incident, he and the victim heard gunshots in the incident location and went to investigate two juveniles shooting ducks. Supsect claims juveniles ran off leaving two ducks dead and two partially alive. Suspect claims that he finished off the two partially alive ducks and placed all four in the bed area of the victims’ truck. Oregon State Police was notified and responded regarding the game violation.

CROOK COUNTY 10/2004 (Non Fatal)
VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME: Shooter (male, age33) was hunting with his brothers. He was the only one in his party that had a rifle, hunting license and tag. The party of three were standing watching an area when they observed a buck deer go down at an angle from them. It was disappearing in the trees and the shooter could not get a shot at it. Twenty minutes later one brother yelled, “There it is.” The deer appeared to be 350 yards away. The shooter threw up his M-6 rifle to his shoulder, leaned over a log, looked through the scope, saw something move and fired the rifle with one round. Shooter shot the victim (male, age 23) in the abdomen.

CROOK COUNTY 10/2004 ( Fatal)
VICTIM COVERED BY SHOOTER WHO WAS SWINGING ON GAME: Shooter (male, age 12) and Victim (male, age 36) saw a buck deer walking right to left. Victim dropped down on one knee 2 1/2 feet in front of the shooter and took his rifle off his shoulder. The shooter took his Savage 250 Remington 708 off his shoulder and was bringing it around and just found the deer in the scope. The deer stepped into the brush as the gun went off. The victim was shot in the head. The victim was wearing a blaze orange hat.

No two-party shootings in 2005!!! Yaaay!

DOUGLAS COUNTY 10/21/2006 (Non Fatal)
RUNNING/WALKING WITH LOADED FIREARM: The victim (male, age 14) and shooter (male, age 18) were hunting behind the residence of the victim. The shooter carried a lever action .22 rifle, with the safety off. The victim bumped into the shooter and the rifle fired, striking him in the right foot. The bullet went through a toe and grazed a second toe.

MALHUER COUNTY 10/18/2006 (Non Fatal)
VICTIM OUT OF SIGHT OF SHOOTER: The victim (male, age 35) was hunting pheasants up the draw with his dog and the shooter (male, age 51). The victim was walking through tall thick brush when a quail flew up and was headed back down the draw towards him. The shooter, seeing the same quail heading back to the draw, shot in the direction of the bird and shot the victim in the chest. The victim was hit with 6 pellets in the chest area. Only one pellet penetrated his skin. Both hunters were wearing hunter orange.

JACKSON COUNTY 10/01/2006 (Non Fatal)
VICTIM OUT OF SIGHT OF SHOOTER/MISTAKEN FOR GAME: The Shooter (male, age 26) sees buck deer and claims was in scope when shot was fired. Victim (male, age 33) was shot in the left shoulder by the shooter’s 7mm rifle, bullet exited through the left arm. Victim was in the line of fire. Blaze orange WAS NOT worn by either hunter, which may be a factor.

LANE COUNTY 10/13/2007
VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME: The Shooter (male, age 29) was operating a 4X4 vehicle in the area, looked off into a wooded area. The shooter observed what he thought was a skunk on a woodpile. The shooter took hold of his Ruger 77/17 and sighted the varmit rifle from inside his vehicle and shot what he thought was a skunk. Shooter discovered he had shot the victim (male, age 20) who was in the area with friends during a paintball competition. Victim suffered a bullet wound entry to the neck. Victim was wearing camouflage clothing, no blaze orange.

COLUMBIA COUNTY 10/24/2007 (NON-FATAL)
VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME: Shooter (male, age 45) was hunting with the victim (male, age 46) and another hunter. While the shooter and the other hunter were walking through the clear cut area, the victim was walking the edge of the clear cut. The shooter saw movement on the edge of the clear cut and shot. The movement was the victim. The victim had his right hand in his pants pocket and was hit with a 12 gauge slug in the right hand and hip. Shooter stated that he did not see the victim and only saw movement. Neither shooter or victim were wearing blaze orange, both hunters were wearing camouflage.

UMATILLA COUNTY 11/4/2007 (NON-FATAL)
VICTIM MOVED INTO THE LINE OF FIRE: The shooter (female, age 39) and the victim (male, age 46) were hunting in the same party in the Ukiah unit when they observed some elk at a tree line. The victim went behind to push the elk out into the open meadow where the shooter was. The shooter observed an elk standing up on a tree eating leaves. The shooter took a shot at the elk with a Remington, model 742. The shooter missed the elk but heard the victim yell “I’m shot”. Neither shooter or victim were wearing blaze orange.

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Old 03-05-2008, 05:39 PM   #2
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(not reported to ODFW)

2005/1: Victim out of sight of shooter. Turkey hunter, in camo, shot when his decoy was mistaken for a live jake. Luckily, shooter was over 100 yards away with a 2 3/4" #6. Hunter was uninjured. NOT FATAL.

(sorry, I just happen to know of that one--it was me that got shot)
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interesting that nearly all of the big game high power rifle accidents nobody had orange on. notice i said NEARLY all.

didnt bill engvall say you cant fix stupid? why would you shoot at niose?
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I noticed that Columbia county had quite a few incidents!!1 I think I'll try and keep my head down
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i counted 2 with .22's. 1 with bow, 2 with slugs, 20 with rifle one a .17 - 24 with shotgun. on this list
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I also noticed that a lot of the incidents were between people of the same hunting party. So watch out for your buddy, he could be more dangerous the guy scoping you from accross the canyon.
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A large number of these tragic incedents would not have been prevented with the use of hunter orange (which I think is your point). Hunter orange may have prevented some of the "mistaken for game" cases, but not the true accidents.
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I noticed a few of these would have been avoided if the shooters would have known what the were shooting at. if you are going to take a shot at something you should be able to make out where its head and hind end are and where your kill zone should be and i cant imagine a guy in a blue coat resemble a bear and if he did it would only be for the time it took for you to take a closer look with binos and see that bear is really not a bear.

Hunter orange would have been helpful i agree but dont you look at what you are shooting at before you shoot. I know i do and i hope there are alot more out there that do. As said above you cant fix stupid
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So the question for me isn't it enough if hunter orange had prevented one of the fatalities or even no fatal shots. I mean you drive defensively shouldn't you do the same when hunting??
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Hunter Orange may not have prevented all of them, but I'm sure it would definatly help in some of the "mistaken for game" or line of fire incidents. I always wear mine, but admit that its not alway visible while wearing a pack. I'll have to fix that before next season.
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I agree.

These accidents also make me wonder how many incorrect game animals are taken each year. How many does are shot during a buck season, etc? If someone can mistake a person for a deer, it would seem routine that they would mistake a doe for a buck.
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More than just safety from bullets .. is safety from lawyers. If you "accidently" (whether you were a moron or not) kill someone, you will likely be sued by the next-of-kin. And unless you win, or have a good personal liability policy, you will lose everything.

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I would say in some cases the orange might of helped, but these people said they saw a deer go into a bush and then shoot a person. I doubt there was a deer to begin with. How many of these do you think were movement or noises? There is some dumb people out there!
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Why would anyone shoot into a bush?
If you cant I.D. your target...you have no idea what your shooting at.
I have seen deer run right past people who were sitting and they stood up as it went by. A careless person who is amped up and ready to shoot may have nailed one of them.
But, a good hunter who only shoots what he can I.D. wouldnt even be looking through his scope without looking with binoculars first.
300 yard shot in a public area with trees in the background? No shot.
There could be people back there. Simple.
Full camo during a rifle hunt? Silly....
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LANE COUNTY 10/13/2007
VICTIM MISTAKEN FOR GAME: The Shooter (male, age 29) was operating a 4X4 vehicle in the area, looked off into a wooded area. The shooter observed what he thought was a skunk on a woodpile. The shooter took hold of his Ruger 77/17 and sighted the varmit rifle from inside his vehicle and shot what he thought was a skunk. Shooter discovered he had shot the victim (male, age 20) who was in the area with friends during a paintball competition. Victim suffered a bullet wound entry to the neck. Victim was wearing camouflage clothing, no blaze orange.


I remember reading about this. Does anyone know whatever came of this and the outcome of the victim? Or can you give me the thread.
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:21 AM   #16
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Sure seems like the majority of the serious incidents involved victims not wearing orange.
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Old 03-07-2008, 10:46 AM   #17
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Amazing..even the guys that had orange only had hats...evidently decking yourself out in blaze will increase your odds of not being shot..I don't see why you'd chance camo....
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Old 03-07-2008, 04:20 PM   #18
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I'm not against folks wearing blaze orange during rifle season or any other for that matter, I'm against it being mandated and subject to fine. It's worth mentioning, that the number of hunting injuries and fatalities are miniscule compared to other popular sports and pastimes. As for the events cited in Old Coot's post, the main reason that folks that were mistaken for game were shot was due to over eagerness on the part of the shooter. Take the hunter wearing blue that was mistaken for a bear for example. Any bear hunter worth his salt knows that you have to watch bears for a spell in order to determine if it's a sow with cubs or one that's even worth shooting. Bears are very tough to judge. You shouldn't go around snap shooting at bears unless one is after you...lol!

I see a common thread running through all the incidents cited, especially the party hunts where people get competitive. Over eagerness to get something on the ground. The fear of getting skunked. One reason I either hunt solo or with just one or two guys who I know very well and who I know, know what they're doing, is so I don't have to worry about getting shot. It's particularly sad when one family member shoots another. That should never happen. It's too simplistic to just blame it on not wearing hunter orange or suggest that wearing it will take care of it.

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Old 03-08-2008, 09:09 AM   #19
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What if we could save even 1 life with requiring a hunter orange hat? My goal when raising our kids is to make them better people and stewards of this great place and each other that I did. But I do believe we lead by example whether its a hunter orange hat, responsible use of firearms, achohol and other laws. OUr kids are a product of us. Often we let "society" guide them. No doubt they will be influenced by society and need to but they do need your best parenting in the mean time.

I took a class yesterday from an accountant on running a business and he made a great point about his ways that I often believe myself. He claimed to "steal" ideas and good ideas from others and put them together for his best uses. I ask, "Why reinvent the wheel"? Or why go down dying with our past ways when as society evolves we can better them. I'm not for more rules or more government but face it, why do we drive the speeds we do? My answer is to protect us from ourselves.
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Old 03-08-2008, 09:25 AM   #20
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What if we could save even 1 life with requiring a hunter orange hat?
You can't fix stupid, and as long as there is the privilege of hunting, there will be those people who just don't get it! They're the ones who take "sound shots" or claim, "I THOUGHT I saw antlers!" right after they put a hole into their buddy. As previously mentioned, they're also the ones who throw up their scope to check "it" (note: IT being something that they haven't clearly identified yet!) out when they see movement...although they have a perfectly good pair of binos hanging around their neck!

That being said, it's pretty simple really... Rules & regulations only affect the ones who follow them. Not the idiots out there, mentioned above.

If you like it hunter orange, and want to wear it, you should choose to do so. If you don't, and think it increases your chances of getting shot at or scope, you have that option too. HOWEVER, I don't think it's ODFW's job to dress me in the field and decide what I can and can't wear.

Personally, I wear hunter orange when it's rifle deer season, but not during archery elk season. I don't look down upon those who choose not to wear it though...it's just that...THEIR choice! Shouldn't be mandated IMHO.

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Old 03-08-2008, 10:06 AM   #21
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What if we could save even 1 life with requiring a hunter orange hat? .
Don't take this personally, but I want to focus on that argument for a moment.

If we applied that to driving, and continued the cycle of "saving one more life" by reexamining and creating more rules & restrictions, eventually we'd ban driving.

Every activity has an inherent risk. There's no such thing as a "safe" activity. As rational people, we have to accept the risk and actively manage it ourselves. A nanny society doesn't work.

If we restrict hunting to the point where blind, deaf and totally naive can do whatever and we're all "safe" - I don't think it will be "hunting" anymore.
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Imagine how long that list of wounded and dead hunters would have been if all hunters wore orange and the other shooters could see them easier.

We should all send the camo manufactures a thank you letter for saving hunters lives every year.
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Imagine how long that list of wounded and dead hunters would have been if all hunters wore orange and the other shooters could see them easier.

We should all send the camo manufactures a thank you letter for saving hunters lives every year.
Following that logic, imagine how long that list would be if we simply banned rifles and only allowed shotguns with bird shot. Or even better if we simply banned guns altogether and only allowed archery.
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Old 03-08-2008, 05:10 PM   #24
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Don't forget the all those other dangerous recreational activities like swimming, boating, bicycle riding, mountain climbing, etc... Of course if we really want to create a safe society, banning cars would save the most lives. Just think - no more kids killed in car crashes, no more drunk driving deaths and no more bicycle riders killed by thoughtless drivers....

Wait a minute, the local governments in Portland and Multnomah county are working on that already! Nevermind

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Old 03-09-2008, 09:19 AM   #25
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Don't take this personally, but I want to focus on that argument for a moment.

If we applied that to driving, and continued the cycle of "saving one more life" by reexamining and creating more rules & restrictions, eventually we'd ban driving.

Every activity has an inherent risk. There's no such thing as a "safe" activity. As rational people, we have to accept the risk and actively manage it ourselves. A nanny society doesn't work.

If we restrict hunting to the point where blind, deaf and totally naive can do whatever and we're all "safe" - I don't think it will be "hunting" anymore.


If we continue to follow down this path of "protecting us from ourselves" (as mentioned earlier is this thread) at what point are we no longer living? Do we really need or want someone to hold our hand and watch over us every minute of the day? Have we forgot how to make our own decisions, and that those decisions we make don't have to apply to everyone? Everyone does not need to be the same!

I don't understand why we would push for more rules and requirements along such a simple topic as wearing hunter orange. Anyone on here should be able to see that hunter orange is more visible than most other colors in the outdoors and that it may help to distinguish you from game, so why should you be forced to wear it when you already know that it has possible benefits? Make your own choice. If you want to wear it than more power to ya, if you don't want to wear it thatís great too. If you want to encourage it great, but donít force it onto people through regulations. Do I know itís more visible? Yep sure do, but that doesn't mean that I wear it every time I go out hunting, but that's a risk that I have determined I am willing to take because just like all of you I am capable of making my own decisions. I feel that I should be able to make that decision on my own and not have someone hold my hand every minute of the day to make sure that I don't hurt myself.
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A lot of people who can't read or write or speak english are also out there. Wonder how they pass the hunter safety class? Yes alot of it is common sense, but look around you. There are a lot of idiots out there and as the woods get more crowded, it is going to happen.

You are seeing alot of "veteran hunters" quitting hunting and I believe that this is one of the reasons (certainly not the only one).

Too many whackos out there.

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Do hunter safety classes work (ie aid in reducing accidents)? I don't know. I wonder if that's "big bother" too? Again I don't really know the answer.
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Do hunter safety classes work (ie aid in reducing accidents)? I don't know. I wonder if that's "big bother" too? Again I don't really know the answer.

I think that hunters safety classes work on the people that pay attention. I have a son that is now 10. He took the class when he was 8. Before taking the class, I had to correct him once or twice, every time that we went shooting. since the class, him and I have been shooting a lot. I have not had to correct him since hunters safety.

I like the idea of hunter orange, however I see all points of view. and especially don't like being told by the state, what I have to wear (hunter orange/ seatbelt, etc.)

I think that it all boils down to bad decision making...
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I think that hunters safety classes work on the people that pay attention. I have a son that is now 10. He took the class when he was 8. Before taking the class, I had to correct him once or twice, every time that we went shooting. since the class, him and I have been shooting a lot. I have not had to correct him since hunters safety.

I like the idea of hunter orange, however I see all points of view. and especially don't like being told by the state, what I have to wear (hunter orange/ seatbelt, etc.)

I think that it all boils down to bad decision making...
I believe Hunter safety classes work, but it is no substitute for the constant badgering I give my kids on gun safety. I'm glad it's mandatory.

Accidents happen. Twice in my life I've discharged rifles into the air unloading them. Scared the hell out of me both times. My hands were extremly cold and had a numb finger too close to the trigger.

I feel horrible for the victims and wish these things didn't happen. You probally are more likely to get killed driving to go hunting then actually hunting.
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