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Old 01-14-2020, 12:37 PM   #1
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So as not to step on the Oscars thread, I’d like to discuss the role of modern cinema in our society and it’s impact on our culture. Let’s not get this shut down, so please stay within the guidelines.

For me, I enjoy good entertainment as much as the next guy. I’m finding it hard to disassociate modern movies from the agendas of those who make and star in these movies. When did this change? I love John Wayne movies, they are straightforward entertainment without much of a social message.

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Too late,...


Ricky Gervais beat you to it.
And he did so thoughtfully, thoroughly, and with more than "just a touch" of humor.
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I love John Wayne movies, they are straightforward entertainment without much of a social message.
The Green Berets was a good movie and it had a social message.

I didn't realize he was paid $1 million for Hellfighters.

The John Wick series is pretty much pure entertainment.
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Ricky Gervais beat you to it.
And he did so thoughtfully, thoroughly, and with more than "just a touch" of humor.
Yeah, but even the bleeped version would have been removed.
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Hell fighters was a great movie.
Red Adair's company was actually involved in extinguishing many of the oil fires in Iraq, during or after the gulf war.
Green Beret's and Fighting Seabees were both good too.
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Times change. Morals change. Society changes. Politics change. People’s taste in cinema changes. Every thing changes. Hollywood is in the money business, not necessarily in the entertainment business
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The role of modern cinema is to make movies, your role as a viewer is to choose which movies to watch.
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The role of modern cinema is to make movies, your role as a viewer is to choose which movies to watch.
Nobody minds watching movies for the sake of pure entertainment Barney.


It's being forced to listen to a lecture about somebody's idea of social justice, in lieu of entertainment, that we object to.
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Nobody minds watching movies for the sake of pure entertainment Barney.


It's being forced to listen to a lecture about somebody's idea of social justice, in lieu of entertainment, that we object to.
That’s kinda what I was thinking.
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It's being forced to listen to a lecture about somebody's idea of social justice, in lieu of entertainment, that we object to.

So why do you choose to watch it?
Isn't this like me complaining about Fox News alternate facts based news?
Just like I can turn the channel, you can watch something more to your liking.
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So as not to step on the Oscars thread, I’d like to discuss the role of modern cinema in our society and it’s impact on our culture. Let’s not get this shut down, so please stay within the guidelines.

For me, I enjoy good entertainment as much as the next guy. I’m finding it hard to disassociate modern movies from the agendas of those who make and star in these movies. When did this change? I love John Wayne movies, they are straightforward entertainment without much of a social message.

Anyone else?
I have to disagree, John Wayne movies are filled with social messages. What it means to me a man in America. What it means to be women in America. What's the place of the Native America's in America. The build up of the mythology of the West (which is mostly movie mythology) and what that means for the character of our country. I could go on. Watch the 'Searchers' and tell me that it isn't filled with messages. It's a great movie by the way, not knocking it.
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So why do you choose to watch it?
Isn't this like me complaining about Fox News alternate facts based news?
Just like I can turn the channel, you can watch something more to your liking.
It’s tough to escape when the entertainment culture is so one-sided and vocal. These actors and actresses are incredibly talented but over much of one kind.
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So why do you choose to watch it?
Isn't this like me complaining about Fox News alternate facts based news?
Just like I can turn the channel, you can watch something more to your liking.
Now you know why Hollywood has acquired so few of my dollars in recent years.
And judging by the numbers I've seen, I'm not the only one they're struggling to sell their product(s) to.
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I prefer British stuff. Real actor/actresses and plots. Noticeably missing in Hollywood drivel.
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So why do you choose to watch it?
Isn't this like me complaining about Fox News alternate facts based news?
Just like I can turn the channel, you can watch something more to your liking.
And BTW,... How much do you pay to have FOX News piped into your house?
It costs the price of a decent dinner to go to a cinema these days.
I hate paying $12.00 or more to attend a lecture about some politically correct stance some rich, entitled Hollywood director wants me to adopt.
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I miss the cheap movies at Cinemark at Gateway in Springfield.
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I miss the drive ins.
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Ford V Ferrari was awesome. Just a great story. It was great for a younger (40’s) to see where Shelby, McClaren etc all got their start.

I will not go see the latest Star Wars as the last one was a social commentary IMO, and that’s ok. I just choose to spend my time/money elsewhere. I rarely watch movies anymore, about to let my direct tv go as well
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The only role modern cinema fulfills is the goal of making money. Sequels, prequels, whatever the catch phrase of the day is and anything that will move post-production merchandise.



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How much influence do you allow the cinema to have on you? I am not a huge consumer of movies. I maybe went to the theater twice last year. Admittedly, I have watched a handful on Netflix and Prime. Basically, If I'm interested in a movie I see it ... regardless of the actors politics. So, I don't feel like I allow the cinema to influence me very much. Maybe we as a society give the Jester too much importance?
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They still have one in Newberg.
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They still have one in Newberg.
Yup. One of my cousins used to or still owns it.
And another in Dallas or Independence. And out on 99E north of Salem.
Not sure anymore. Haven't seen him in years.
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Dallas Drive-In shut down a few years ago.
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Ford V Ferrari was awesome. Just a great story. It was great for a younger (40’s) to see where Shelby, McClaren etc all got their start.

I will not go see the latest Star Wars as the last one was a social commentary IMO, and that’s ok. I just choose to spend my time/money elsewhere. I rarely watch movies anymore, about to let my direct tv go as well
Ford V Ferrari was great. If there was a social message in there, I missed it.

The new star wars evidently had a gay kiss that I missed... Other than that, I didn't catch too many social messages in it.

It didn't suck as bad as the last two.

Mandalorian on Disney is FANTASTIC BTW, best star wars since the original trilogy. Not finding any social messages in that too.

It's pretty easy to spot what movies might have a social agenda ahead of time.

I could care less for the most part. I think a lot of studios are throwing some social justice themes in their movies cause they are worried about another sexual harrassment suit from some disgruntled actress.
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Movies have had a message for as long as they have been made.

One of my favorites is "It just doesn't matter" - Meatballs.
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I don't think Cinema has a role. In spite of that, out of place character traits are emphasized and irrelevant political topics are regularly injected, so there are those who are attempting to socially engineer.
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I think the role of modern cinema is to compete with cable TV, same as the role of network TV. We moved into our new house 9 years ago, and I haven't been to the movie theater in that time. It isn't the political or social agenda messages that turned me off. It was me spending good money to arrive on time, only to be subjected to 20 minutes of TV commercials that I can see at home on TV for free, all before the coming attractions shorts and the movie begins. Then there's the audience, beeping on their cell phones all through the movie, and people more interested in conversing with one another than watching the movie. I don't need it.


We have a flat screen TV, a Netflix subscription, and Prime, so we can see almost any movie we want in the comfort of our home, without the TV commercials and annoying audience members. And cable TV offers some intelligent programming, so those along with Netflix and Prime give me little reason to go to the theater to see movies any longer. So if Hollywood is listening, this is the competition and potential role of modern cinema.
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We rarely go to the movies anymore, the last time the 4 of us went it was like $70 after the tickets and all candy and crap we bought. We already pay for premium cable, I can pause the show if I have to pee, there’s no one else bothering me/us. We have a nice 4K tv, it’s pretty silly for us to spend $ at the theater really.

And no I don’t watch cinema for anything other than to be entertained. I don’t care what ones political/religious opinions are whether it be a director or actor or whomever. If i want to watch a movie because I think I’ll like it, I watch it. Pretty basic for me.
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I don't think there is any more agenda now than there ever was. If you suspect you won't like it, don't watch it. I don't think movies are any different than published books. All kinds for all kinds of people. Other than the book burners, nobody cares what you read and what you don't read.

And I too haven't been to a theater in forever. I watch my movies at home with pause so I can refill my glass or my popcorn bowl.
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I don't think there is any more agenda now than there ever was. If you suspect you won't like it, don't watch it. I don't think movies are any different than published books. All kinds for all kinds of people. Other than the book burners, nobody cares what you read and what you don't read.

And I too haven't been to a theater in forever. I watch my movies at home with pause so I can refill my glass or my popcorn bowl.


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Ricky Gervais beat you to it.
And he did so thoughtfully, thoroughly, and with more than "just a touch" of humor.

Just watched that on youtube and loved every second of it
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Ford V Ferrari was awesome. Just a great story. It was great for a younger (40’️s) to see where Shelby, McClaren etc all got their start.

I will not go see the latest Star Wars as the last one was a social commentary IMO, and that’️s ok. I just choose to spend my time/money elsewhere. I rarely watch movies anymore, about to let my direct tv go as well
Ford V Ferrari was great. If there was a social message in there, I missed it.

The new star wars evidently had a gay kiss that I missed... Other than that, I didn't catch too many social messages in it.

It didn't suck as bad as the last two.

Mandalorian on Disney is FANTASTIC BTW, best star wars since the original trilogy. Not finding any social messages in that too.

It's pretty easy to spot what movies might have a social agenda ahead of time.

I could care less for the most part. I think a lot of studios are throwing some social justice themes in their movies cause they are worried about another sexual harrassment suit from some disgruntled actress.
Mandalorian ROCKS!

I keep hoping they will just stick To the script and the social justice warriors keep their mitts off.
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So as not to step on the Oscars thread, I’d like to discuss the role of modern cinema in our society and it’s impact on our culture. Let’s not get this shut down, so please stay within the guidelines.

For me, I enjoy good entertainment as much as the next guy. I’m finding it hard to disassociate modern movies from the agendas of those who make and star in these movies. When did this change? I love John Wayne movies, they are straightforward entertainment without much of a social message.

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If, after watching a movie, you find yourself thinking about it again and again for the next few days, it was a good movie. That's because it made you think in a new way, or challenged your beliefs, or broke your heart, or inspired you, or filled you with despair. Maybe it made you love or hate a certain character. Maybe it made you weep or laugh out loud. Good movies, like other art forms, make you feel something inside.

If you hardly think about the movie the next day or two, it was a poor movie. It was ok for a couple of hours of entertainment, but it taught you nothing. It was like junk food - good for a moment, but utterly forgettable.

See all sorts of movies and don't worry about agendas. Sometimes they are there, sometimes not. Agendas won't hurt you, and they might even change you. That's the best possible outcome for that's how we evolve, mature and ripen into wisdom. Cinema, like art, is at its best when it kicks our butt and turns our world upside down.
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I have recently rediscovered books as a great form of visual entertainment. 2-3 hours of cgi has its place but generally falls short.
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