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Old 12-28-2001, 04:01 PM   #1
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maybe somebody out there can tell me what the story is when fish has the adipose and one of its big fins on its belly also clipped. It was a steelhead from the Clackamas.

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Old 12-28-2001, 04:10 PM   #2
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That's strange on the Clackamas... But my guess is that it was a broodstock from the Sandy that strayed.
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I would suggest you call the district biologist in Clackamas, for ODFW. Interesting!
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Old 12-28-2001, 04:14 PM   #3
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I believe that that particular clipping is done on the net pen fish that are raised in the slough behind fishermans marine supply. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember someone telling me that.

That brings up my curiosity about a fish I caught on the Nestucca on Monday. It had a hole in one of it's gill plates. The hole was perfectly round like someone took a hole punch to it. Anyone have any ideas
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Old 12-28-2001, 04:14 PM   #4
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I wish I could remember. Dave Johnson knows what that means. He did a Hot Tamale show where at the end they explained the different fin and maxillary clips for the clackamas. The fish they caught that day had 3 different clips that signified different types of hatchery fish...Somebody else might have seen the show and remembers.
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Old 12-28-2001, 04:16 PM   #5
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I'm guessing the hole punch on the nestucca is a recycled fish. On the Mckenzie they stick an antenna tag in them so they know they've been recycled. With so many on the Nestucca being recycled maybe they just hole punch a fin...

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Old 12-28-2001, 04:20 PM   #6
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My brother works for ODFW in Clackamas and he says if its a left vent clip and adipose clip it means this is a coded wire tagged fish. If you want to you can cut off the snout and send it to the Clackamas offfice or you can bring it in.
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Old 12-28-2001, 04:39 PM   #7
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Up here when you see a hole in the gill cover that usually means that the fish has been recycled.
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Old 12-28-2001, 04:46 PM   #8
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Tanner,

Wet Willy nailed it. The fish you caught was what many often to refer to as a "retred." When they collect fish at the Cedar Creek Hatchery on Three Rivers, they punch their gill plate with a hole punch. Then they load 'em up and truck 'em back downstream for another shot.

On the Upper Rogue, I've landed summer fish with as many as three holes in their gill plate. I've heard of fish with as many as five, but the most I've ever seen was three.

There have been a lot of retreds in the Nestucca lately. Guess those bankies on Three Rivers need someone to stop by and give a clinic so that they can catch some of those fish? :tongue:
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Old 12-28-2001, 05:39 PM   #9
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As I remember from David Johnson's article last season they clip more fins when the fish is from Eagle Creek.
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Old 12-28-2001, 06:30 PM   #10
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Point of information:

The Cedar Creek Hatchery has recycled over 2,500 fish thus far and only around 200 fish have made the trip twice!

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Old 12-28-2001, 07:06 PM   #11
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Jennie,
All hatchery winter fish that were releasrd on the Sandy should have adipose and right maxillary clip. Both 2 salt and three salt fish are the same. There are no differentiating marks on Sandy broodstock fish. On the Sandy, if a fish is adipose clipped only it is a summer steelhead. It can also be identified by looking in the mouth where you will find parasites.
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Old 12-28-2001, 10:39 PM   #12
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Now that you mention it, The Steelhead I got on the Clackamas last Monday was like that. Clipped adipose and clipped left Vent fin.

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Old 12-29-2001, 07:59 AM   #13
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I didnt see Dave Johnsons clinic, but it has been my understanding and experience that fish in the Clackamas system that are adipose and vent fin clipped were produced at the Eagle Creek Hatchery. If you catch a fish in Eagle Creek it will likely be clipped in this manner. Im no expert, but I doubt that all of the fish in Eagle Crek are recycled or that they all carry radio tags. Im not sure exactly why they do it this way, but thats the way Ive always understood it.
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Old 12-29-2001, 09:23 AM   #14
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I also caught a fish Friday on the Nestucca that had a hole punch in it's gill plate. I was told these are recycled fish.
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Old 12-30-2001, 10:20 AM   #15
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I think the ad. and vent clip signifies a broodstock fish on the Clack. But, I did catch a winter on E Creek with a Ventrical and Adipose mark.

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Old 12-30-2001, 10:10 PM   #16
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The ad and vent clip on the Clack signifies it's a Eagle Creek fish. The Brood fish have a maxilary clip here. I don't think there are any radio transmitting fish here.

On the Wilson the brood stock fish are marked with ad and vent.
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Old 12-31-2001, 08:35 PM   #17
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Man, you learn a lot around here.... :smile:
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