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Old 12-18-2018, 01:46 PM   #1
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Just thought I'd throw a kink in the hollowdaze and ask how your winter garden preparations are going?
We have our garlic in! Hows yours?
What else do we need to throw out there in the soil, to propagate next year's foundation?
And what kind of garlic or other winter crops are you planting?
Gonna try some new stuff this coming spring! And need some good leads!

AWWWW da hek with it!

Let's go chase some winter steel!




Sorry! Just a bit bored here today with the boss lady off shopping, and NO g-kids over!

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Your way ahead. Got compost on the asparagus and that is it. Still picking from last years garden. Will look at tilling in a month or so.
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Your way ahead. Got compost on the asparagus and that is it. Still picking from last years garden. Will look at tilling in a month or so.
Oh yeah! Asparagus has been in for several years!
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garlic and shallots are in. I got a yard of mint straw (stuff left after they distill off the mint oil) and 2 yards of horse stall cleanings (manure plus shavings). Mint stuff is on the garden, horse stuff is composting in a big pile. Where I live is kind of hard pan clay to which I've added a lot of sand and wood chips from the tree pruning over the years...I bought a tractor this fall, and a subsoiler, so I'm going to subsoil the whole thing before I plant and add the horse stuff next spring. I don't know whether any of this will make a whit of difference, but it's fun to think about.
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Mine is history until next year.
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Be careful of the mint compost. I had a problem with it in my garden. Some plants loved it but others didn't. I had to buffer it with fish fertilizer. Basically stunted my plants until I got it buffered. The potatoes love it.
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Be careful of the mint compost. I had a problem with it in my garden. Some plants loved it but others didn't. I had to buffer it with fish fertilizer. Basically stunted my plants until I got it buffered. The potatoes love it.
I ran a mint distillery for a summer in 75. Don't remember HOW many big truck loads of the mint compost, I dumped on the local cattle farmers fields!
Apparently it's great for growing grass, and or field corn.
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Be careful of the mint compost. I had a problem with it in my garden. Some plants loved it but others didn't. I had to buffer it with fish fertilizer. Basically stunted my plants until I got it buffered. The potatoes love it.
Anything like mint compost (and the horse stuff that has a lot of micro shavings and Dri Den pelletized bedding in it) needs extra nitrogen to break down. So I plan on adding 5-10 lbs of ammonium sulfate to the garden when I work it all in. I'm just hoping that between the subsoiling and lots of organics I'll get a better soil mix (clay, sand, organics) and better water retention/availability. Potatoes love nitrogen poor soil, when they grew mint on our farm, my dad just stuck the potatoes right in the pile of mint compost, no soil at all. You're right, they love it.
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Garlic has been in since Sept. and growing great. Cold frame has salad lettuces, spinach, and kale... I'm trying something new this year. I covered summer plots with horse manure about 4" deep and covered with 6mm black plastic tarps. All weeds have rotted underneath and I am planning on pulling off come April with minimal tillage.


Related question, does anyone here have experience / opinions of Steve Solomon's "Complete Organic Fertilizer" recipe? Specifically the latest out of the 7th edition of Gardening West of the Cascades?


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Related question, does anyone here have experience / opinions of Steve Solomon's "Complete Organic Fertilizer" recipe? Specifically the latest out of the 7th edition of Gardening West of the Cascades?
I made a big bin of the Complete Organic Fertilizer out of his book. Unfortunately I don't know if or how he changed his formula between the book I have and the 7th edition. I don't even know which edition I have. I like the stuff and have been happy to use it.

I'm far from a Master Gardener, though. Maybe you should make sure recommendations come with a photo of the recommender's garden to help you decide.
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I made a big bin of the Complete Organic Fertilizer out of his book. Unfortunately I don't know if or how he changed his formula between the book I have and the 7th edition. I don't even know which edition I have. I like the stuff and have been happy to use it.

I'm far from a Master Gardener, though. Maybe you should make sure recommendations come with a photo of the recommender's garden to help you decide.

Thanks for the insight Cruisin, from what I've read the recipes only slightly differ in units of ingredients. Im glad to hear its worked for you... I've tried teas, foliar feeding, and water soluble ferts inline with irrigation to minimal effect. I've been reading his book since spring and think I'll give it a shot. Yep, maybe I'll docu a first, second, third, etc. trial and post here with peps and toms.



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garlic and shallots are in. I got a yard of mint straw (stuff left after they distill off the mint oil) and 2 yards of horse stall cleanings (manure plus shavings). Mint stuff is on the garden, horse stuff is composting in a big pile. Where I live is kind of hard pan clay to which I've added a lot of sand and wood chips from the tree pruning over the years...I bought a tractor this fall, and a subsoiler, so I'm going to subsoil the whole thing before I plant and add the horse stuff next spring. I don't know whether any of this will make a whit of difference, but it's fun to think about.
It might help to do a top dressing with worm castings, perlite and some form of microbe life (references link). then till in.

The worm castings will add the bacteria and the microbes will add the fungi and targeted bacteria to help jump start the life in your soil.
The perlite will help aerate and keep your soil from getting to compacted.

You could also water a few times in the spring with a compost tea.



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I just tossed the Christmas tree off the deck into my raised beds , keeps the cats from adding fertilizer. Ill probably burn it up on the 4th of July and then maybe plant something that will mature in oct that I can once again burn up.
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Thanks for the insight Cruisin, from what I've read the recipes only slightly differ in units of ingredients. Im glad to hear its worked for you... I've tried teas, foliar feeding, and water soluble ferts inline with irrigation to minimal effect. I've been reading his book since spring and think I'll give it a shot. Yep, maybe I'll docu a first, second, third, etc. trial and post here with peps and toms.
The other thing I like about his formula is that it's a slow release complete fertilizer. I feel like a lot of fertilizers make the plants look pretty, but the nutrients are lacking. Making a wild claim (which I can do because it's the internet), I feel his fertilizer provides a more wholesome product, nutrient-wise.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:51 AM   #15
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No winter garden but I still have hot peppers growing under a little plastic seeing if they will winter over. Our climate is pretty mild and a friend got them to a couple of years ago by accident. Just pruned all my 3 year old apple and pear trees. Wired 3 of them down to train them a little. Hopefully it'll help them produce well this starting this season.
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The other thing I like about his formula is that it's a slow release complete fertilizer. I feel like a lot of fertilizers make the plants look pretty, but the nutrients are lacking. Making a wild claim (which I can do because it's the internet), I feel his fertilizer provides a more wholesome product, nutrient-wise.

Agreed! He states you could 2x the application with no consequences other that fert waste. I used to do the Miracle Gro and all, but found my root penetration was lacking to say the least, 2" down with large diameter fan outs. Last year I really watched what I added AND how I tilled, not full bore 18" tear up... just first few inches with better root results. His talk about soil capillarity really opened my mind.

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Under construction, and a lot of other things!

I do hope to have a good garden, this year! Better get started. I don't think Winter is going to last long this year.


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Ordered my peppers and tomato plants today from Uncle Wayne's Tomatoes and I will pick them up at the Spring Garden Fair in Canby in May.
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Finally went out and looked at my garden yesterday. Not much happening. Got some Fava beans coming up and that's about it.
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Under construction, and a lot of other things!

I do hope to have a good garden, this year! Better get started. I don't think Winter is going to last long this year.


Boy, did I call this wrong!
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Boy, did I call this wrong!
Nope. You got it right!
Just around the corner! Look at the next week forecast.
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Nope. You got it right!
Just around the corner! Look at the next week forecast.
About time! I've been hoping for next weeks forecast, since last month!

Time to break out the shorts and flip flops.



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About time! I've been hoping for next weeks forecast, since last month!

Time to break out the shorts and flip flops.



Heck that ain't nuttin'!
I've been waiting since last September!
Yup. Time to dig out my baggy plaid shorts and sandals.
And sun block.
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I planted kale, spinach and onion sets last fall. The onions are growing slowly. the kale and spinach are about 1" big and waiting for some warm weather I think. I put three table grapes in the ground on Saturday and am looking forward to some grapes in 3 1/2 years!
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Still under a foot of snow, Its going to be a while
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I planted kale, spinach and onion sets last fall. The onions are growing slowly. the kale and spinach are about 1" big and waiting for some warm weather I think. I put three table grapes in the ground on Saturday and am looking forward to some grapes in 3 1/2 years!
AHA! Now there's something we haven't tried yet.
Wonder where we can try planting grapes?
Got some room in the very back, that doesn't grow much but blackberry vines.
Wonder if we can coach a few grapes to grow there? That would give the g-kids something else to
raid , other than our blueberries and strawberries, and of course the pantry.
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Still covered in snow here. Nothing much growing yet.
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Still has permafrost on it.
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Permafrost?? Sounds like you live in WAY North Beach, not South Beach.
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Permafrost?? Sounds like you live in WAY North Beach, not South Beach.

My little cubbyhole for the garden is like the Arctic, it literally does not see the sun for months. Then when the sun does pop over the horizon it is well on it's way into summer. No wind back there and it bakes. I think my Marion Berries had a whopping 3 berries last year. The rasp berries did not bear any fruit until October. The Strawberries had one batch of fruit and that was it. Corn, radishes and tomato's all sucked. Lettuces, Blueberries and Snap Peas did fine. We have a weird garden.
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My little cubbyhole for the garden is like the Arctic, it literally does not see the sun for months. Then when the sun does pop over the horizon it is well on it's way into summer. No wind back there and it bakes. I think my Marion Berries had a whopping 3 berries last year. The rasp berries did not bear any fruit until October. The Strawberries had one batch of fruit and that was it. Corn, radishes and tomato's all sucked. Lettuces, Blueberries and Snap Peas did fine. We have a weird garden.
Bummer Dave! Sounds as though you need to move your garden to the south or west side.
Maybe cut down some of the surrounding forest too?
NAW! Just go to Safeway.
Ours is on the east side of the house, but back far enough to get plenty of sun. So pretty much all the veggies do pretty good. ALWAYS have WAY too many maters. Maybe I'll run you over some this summer, if I ever get over to Newport again.
I put together a little 4'X4' raised bed for strawberries last year, and they just took off! Planted 6 or so different varieties. But the Hoods did the best. So am going to yank out all the everbearing types this spring and go with just straight Hoods. Then put up an electric fence to keep the g-kids out. Same with the blueberries.
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Waiting for strawberries to recover. This weekend will kick some things into a higher gear. Last year weeds were bad. I covered in black plastic to try and sprout as many as i can before killing them before planting.
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Gonna scale the garden way back. Keep the raspberries going and plant pumpkins for halloween and fall decor.

Wife only cares about seeing pretty sunflowers.

Wife and kids don't eat the fresh veggies so I should stop wasting my time.
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I'm in a new place, and have made it as far as clearing the blackberries. Lots of work to do
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Tomato and pepper seeds started in seed starting mix, in "clam shell" containers inside. Will put in onion sets this weekend.
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Gonna scale the garden way back. Keep the raspberries going and plant pumpkins for halloween and fall decor.

Wife only cares about seeing pretty sunflowers.

Wife and kids don't eat the fresh veggies so I should stop wasting my time.

Same, at first the wife wanted all kinds of things but as they sat in the garden and never got harvested I started cutting them out and no one noticed. So I came down with what I like. I have Grandkids and they don't eat much in the way of vegetables. Their idea of vegetables is Mac and Cheese. I grow tomatoes, that is still a favorite. Asparagus, the berries and all of the lettuce, radishes, cucumbers and some squash. About half of what I use to grow. I can always get rid of most of what I grow to the neighbors.
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I have a spot in a community garden here in my town so, foolishly or not, I put snow peas, and lettuce in planter boxes today. My biggest problem planting this early is slugs & voles. I have beet plants that miraculously wintered over ok so, maybe this warm up we're experiencing will kick start them. Gonna try planting some swiss chard & kale over the weekend.
Suggestion for some of you who have family members who aren't vege eaters. Donate those extra vege's to a local food bank. They won't be turn you down.
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I have a spot in a community garden here in my town so, foolishly or not, I put snow peas, and lettuce in planter boxes today. My biggest problem planting this early is slugs & voles. I have beet plants that miraculously wintered over ok so, maybe this warm up we're experiencing will kick start them. Gonna try planting some swiss chard & kale over the weekend.
Suggestion for some of you who have family members who aren't vege eaters. Donate those extra vege's to a local food bank. They won't be turn you down.
Very good SH58! YES!! Donate the extra!
Slugs and snails are always a prob here. Way of life! But they hafta eat too.
Before they get salted.
Most all of our extra goes to neighbors, friends or fambly.
Specially our huge Walla Walla sweet onions! Those go fast!
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We bought a new home in January and I don’t think we’ll get enough sun for a garden. Our property is a .5 acre lot in the city, huge backyard. Problem is the house sits on the very south end with a large 2 level deck, then the backyard slopes downhill to the north. About halfway down the hill we have several large fir, hemlock, and spruce trees and one large alder. The neighbor to the west has a similar but smaller lot, the neighbors to the east have 2 big firs that block direct sun most of the morning. The sun just doesn’t seem to make its way to the backyard until very late in the day as far as I can tell. I’m hesitant to build raised beds and then put them in the wrong spot. I might wait until I can see what the sun does before building them, and just put in a garden kind of late.
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Today is a good time to look for del sol!!
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When is a good time to put fir or pine shavings under the blueberry plants? Is now too soon?
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:16 PM   #44
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I had some issues direct sowing last year so I was going to start some plants and transplant when ready. I pondered the thought of seed flats all over the dining room which sounded like a pain. I then had a brilliant idea; make a hoop cover for one of my 4' x 8' raised beds. I got it finished yesterday, then stuck a remote thermometer inside to monitor the temp. That sucker fluctuated from 86 degrees yesterday to 32 degrees overnight to 100 degrees mid morning.

I can open it up in the morning but that seems awful cold at night for seed starting. Seeds are for beans, cucumbers, zucchini and butternut squash. Mine required multiple planting last year and I never did get green beans to grow. I think a critter (not slugs) ate the tops off.

Any thoughts? Wait another month for seed starting? Add milk jugs to the hoop for added night warmth?
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When is a good time to put fir or pine shavings under the blueberry plants? Is now too soon?
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You might wanna contact The Rogue about that. He seems to have it down pretty good, from the looks of his pictures last summer.
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I had some issues direct sowing last year so I was going to start some plants and transplant when ready. I pondered the thought of seed flats all over the dining room which sounded like a pain. I then had a brilliant idea; make a hoop cover for one of my 4' x 8' raised beds. I got it finished yesterday, then stuck a remote thermometer inside to monitor the temp. That sucker fluctuated from 86 degrees yesterday to 32 degrees overnight to 100 degrees mid morning.

I can open it up in the morning but that seems awful cold at night for seed starting. Seeds are for beans, cucumbers, zucchini and butternut squash. Mine required multiple planting last year and I never did get green beans to grow. I think a critter (not slugs) ate the tops off.

Any thoughts? Wait another month for seed starting? Add milk jugs to the hoop for added night warmth?
Keeper , ground is really to cold for most the seads you mentioned. Now is the time for peas, beets , carrots, kale, lettuce, spinach, potatoes, onions. That's the list I'm working on in raised beds.
Be careful starting indoors, I've had mixed results, start to early they shoot up to fast and are too tender when the time comes to take them out
I've read that squash seeds and such planted straight in the garden produce the healthiest plants ( but must have warm soil)
A lot of seeds will rot this time of year
I'm still learning to
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Whethole, it's not to late to put the shavings around your Blueberries. I'm gonna do the same as soon as Wilco gets in some stuff they call micro fir shavings. It really should be done before the first frost.
With regards to the tops of beans being chewed off; it's that damn Voles. They killed a whole row of mine last year in 1 spot the same way. Some folks in my community garden fashioned a light wire rectangle shaped box that was high enough to keep the voles out & let the beans reach the string runners they had for the beans to climb. Hope that explanation made sense.
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Fishfeet, yes I'm insanely jelly of the rogues berry plants. One day, I might have something comparable.

Steel, thanks for the word. I just got the fir limb chips a week ago, so I will get that laid here soon. I gotta kick this damn cold, and quit working so many hours.
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WhetH! Hope you kick that *^%* cold soon!
Not phun!
Think like SteelH58 sez. Any time is a good time to put down the wood shavings.
They keep the roots insulated from heat or cold, and also keep the moisture in.
Got a bunch of hemlock chips to put around ours. Soon as I get rear in gear and weed it first.
Along with some of that weed mat below it.
The buds on the blueberries are looking really good at the moment, and I already found a couple leaves on our apple tree.
The pear trees are looking spritely too!
Hope my little leaf cutter and mason bees do their thing this year!
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Well, I got started on my garden this weekend. Planted peas, a batch of lettuce and a batch of radishes. I'm also working on redoing my irrigation sprinkler system in the garden. Looking to plant onion bulbs next. Forecasts aren't showing frost for the next week, but will wait and see before planting the less hardy plants.
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Built new raised beds yesterday. Was having trouble figuring out what part of my yard got the most sun. While chatting with my neighbor I asked him what he thought. His response was “well, Jim (previous owner) grew his weed in giant pots right along your retaining wall”.... good enough for me!





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Nice looking ,deep beds SImud!
Is that pine or cedar?
Should be able to grow some huge spuds in there.
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SImudBogger,
Very nice boxes
I know you are familiar with pests
Hope you put down a ground barrier before adding your soil.
Nothing worse than when a mole finds your beautiful garden in the middle of the growing season and decides to use it as a swimming pool.

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Is that pine or cedar?
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Very nice boxes
I know you are familiar with pests
Hope you put down a ground barrier before adding your soil.
Nothing worse than when a mole finds your beautiful garden in the middle of the growing season and decides to use it as a swimming pool.

Yes, I've been there
Thank you!

They’re cedar, not cheap to build that’s for sure. But the way I build them they will last a very long time. I secure everything from the inside with coated deck screws so no fasteners are visible. They’re 3x8ft and 21in deep.

I will put 5-6 inches of river rock in the bottom, then line them with heavy duty duty garden cloth before filling them with some good gardening soil. We get the soil from allwood recyclers in troutdale, I think it’s a 5 part mix
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Thank you!

They’re cedar, not cheap to build that’s for sure. But the way I build them they will last a very long time. I secure everything from the inside with coated deck screws so no fasteners are visible. They’re 3x8ft and 21in deep.

I will put 5-6 inches of river rock in the bottom, then line them with heavy duty duty garden cloth before filling them with some good gardening soil. We get the soil from allwood recyclers in troutdale, I think it’s a 5 part mix
Sounds like a plan!
Can't wait to see the results.
I take it you've done this before?
Nice job!
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Sounds like a plan!

Can't wait to see the results.

I take it you've done this before?

Nice job!


I have. Had a set at our old house I built in 2013.
Benjamin the greyhound is long gone, but the beds are still there.
That was our first year planting any type of garden and as you can see we put in wayyyyyy too much lol.

I stained those to roughly match the trim on our house. The new ones are going to get some Thompson’s water seal or other type of clear coat protector.





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The new ones are going to get some Thompson’s water seal...
Be real careful about what chemicals you put on wood that houses plants that you plan on eating from.

Those are dam good looking boxes you built. Cedar always looks nice, and it lasts.
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Be real careful about what chemicals you put on wood that houses plants that you plan on eating from.

Those are dam good looking boxes you built. Cedar always looks nice, and it lasts.
X2 on the chemicals. They look nice, but can leach into your hard earned veggies!
Beautimus beds, but the cedar itself is pretty well preserved by nature.
Just don't want to see anyone poisoning themselves! Specially the little ones.
Think GMO?
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The garden is all tilled and lettuces and peas are planted. I have tomatoes starting to poke up indoors. Making some tomato cages today out of remesh. Have some for sale in the classifieds...



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The garden is all tilled and lettuces and peas are planted. I have tomatoes starting to poke up indoors. Making some tomato cages today out of remesh. Have some for sale in the classifieds...



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