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Old 10-07-2003, 03:39 PM   #1
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Just wondering if there was enought runoff from the rain lastnight to fire up the run.

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Old 10-07-2003, 03:53 PM   #2
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Was there a few hours ago and very little change .Only saw a few dark fish.hiked all the way to the mouth saw nothing.Drifted the clack a day ago saw very little.

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Not looking good is it Greg? Should have fished the Sandy this year. Now I am forced to go to Hoodsport to get my eggs this year. Not all bad though.
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Old 10-08-2003, 08:26 AM   #4
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I drove by yesterday morning about 11, about 10 cars, lots of fish rolling near the soap stone above the bridge. Unfortunately, the property owners on both sides have teamed up and decided not to allow fishing there. A few non-conforming guys there, the lady that owns the property was out with her video camera filming everyone so she could turn it in to the police. I also heard rumors the sherif was getting everyone out earlier, they said since the river is not navicable, no fishing!
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Old 10-09-2003, 07:59 AM   #5
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We drove by Bonnie yesterday. Still some who aren't heeding this landowner's demands. All we saw there were darkies. Nothing at Eagle Fern except a pair of summers, water still really low as of yesterday. Saw a lady casting to a few decent fish in the bridge hole with only a steelhead jig (no bobber and dragging bottom).

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Old 10-09-2003, 08:38 AM   #6
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Where we come from we call that snagging. The jig drag is getting popular on Eagle Cr. Uncle Bob what is your take on this years run?
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Old 10-09-2003, 08:50 AM   #7
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Actually that technique was described in great detail in STS a while ago as very effective on silvers. Not everybody that fishes the "popular" holes is snagging guys. Lighten up a bit.
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Old 10-09-2003, 09:38 AM   #8
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Unfortunately, the property owners on both sides have teamed up and decided not to allow fishing there. A few non-conforming guys there, the lady that owns the property was out with her video camera filming everyone so she could turn it in to the police.
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Still some who aren't heeding this landowner's demands.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I was under the impression that river banks are public domain...? 10 feet passed the high flood point, right? I imagine that would give you alot of room this time of year, with the wter being so low... Am I mis-informed?

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Old 10-09-2003, 10:32 AM   #9
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Foxer - You'll notice I stopped short of labeling this lady a snagger although I have never seen someone legally catch a fish by casting a heavy First Cast type of jig, letting it settle all the way to the bottom before slowly reeling it in and then jerking hard when she felt tension. If you say this is an effective technique I guess I believe you. Personally I'd be too concerned about losing all my best jigs to try something like this. :smile: Effective or not you have imagine that you'd get a high percentage of snagged fish with the exact method this person was using.

Skahorse - I think this is only if the water is considered navigable and I don't think Eagle Creek is which means the landowners can prohibit fishing there but you can fish the park side of the bridge. I've been told that these particular landowners allowed fishing there for years until just last year when they finally got fed up with all the trash and noise, the last straw being heated verbal confrontations with people who didn't appreciate the landowners generosity or maybe they just thought they had the right to fish there with or without permission. In any case a shame how it turned out.

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Old 10-09-2003, 10:52 AM   #10
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West Linn Wader,
Very effective way to catch silvers/coho, 1/4oz blue/white fist cast jig tired to main line (no bobber). Cast out and jig back (notice I said jig back not yank back), I personally have had very few foul hook-ups.
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Old 10-09-2003, 11:07 AM   #11
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West linn wader is right, the river is considered non-navigable and is private land.

I went last night by the falls and just a few black one's are in there and very beat up. Lots of people down by the park area, maybe they are moving up?
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Old 10-09-2003, 01:04 PM   #12
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It's best to not interpret the river access laws yourself and end up getting in trouble. There are groups that are seeking to get those laws defined and are working to get all river declared navigitable.In the mean time it's not advisable to deliberately antagonize a landowner.
Remember also that even if you are allowed access to a river you are not allowed to cross private property to get to it.You must access it legally!
If you want to get in contact with the groups fighting for your rights then email me.

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Old 10-09-2003, 04:40 PM   #13
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Typically that is how it works, a person gets a ticket (if they have money) and pushes the issue to get a judge to resolve it.

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Old 10-09-2003, 04:44 PM   #14
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Whew...! Glad they're not gerbels. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

Pop's did a little scouting today as he was feeling pretty decent. Some fish moving through but they are dark. Water came up 6 inches from a few days ago.

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Old 10-09-2003, 05:10 PM   #16
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Where's the list of which rivers are navigable and which are not?
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Old 10-09-2003, 05:19 PM   #17
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Whew...! Glad they're not gerbels. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Why would you be glad they aren't gerbils Bernie? Explain to us exactly what the significance of gerbils is that you are referring too.

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Old 10-09-2003, 05:20 PM   #18
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No Jokes Please, but my mother in law just bought property across from Bonie Lure park and she was told by the seller that the property line runs to the middle of the creek. I own creek frontage on Johnson Creek in SE Portland and I know my property line is also to the middle of the creek. The key is the Navigable waters designation which neither Eagle Creek or Johnson Creek are considered as such so property owners are under no obligation to allow fishing if they do not want to.
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Old 10-09-2003, 07:23 PM   #19
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KillerDave I gotmy info from both landowners and to make sure they were right I called the OSP so I wasnt led in the wrong direction. A Lt. named Steve in their main office said that. I have his # and extention at work if you want it?

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Old 10-09-2003, 07:50 PM   #20
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The fish should be there soon. A trip may be a good idea.

The Columbia, Willy, and Rogue are navigable. The Umpqua may be. But I do not think it is on the short list.

The Clack is not. Nor is eagle creek.

This is why many driftboat guides stay on the Clack when the fishing is better elsewhere. To guide on a non nagivable river takes only a CPR card and some ins stuff. A totally different lic is necessary to operate a motorboat for profit( guide) on the other rivers.

I am not sure if there are other rivers. But I am quite sure this short list is correct at this time.

I would like to see someone navigate Eagle Creek. :shocked:

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Old 10-09-2003, 10:42 PM   #21
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Here's a list: http://statelands.dsl.state.or.us/navigwaterways.htm

If the Sandy passed the test I gotta think the Clack would also if and when it ever was tested for navigability.

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Old 10-10-2003, 12:05 AM   #22
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I would like to correct you and say that the river is considered not navigable by the landowners. There is alot of Kayakers who could easily navigate Eagle Cr. A canoe could too in long stretches. This is an issue that could only be settled in the courts.
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Not really looking for a debate but Bugleman I talked to the OSP about the upper part of Eagle Creek where the Oregon Fishing Club had bought the rights in past years to fish and he had said that the government recognized it as non-navigable and the land owners have the right to keep people out. He said that lots of people say it has to be run through court, he disagreed and said he would like to ticket someone to get the point across. I told him that I traded work for fishing access and I am suppose to help keep people out. He said that they are trying to make a better effort to stop the snagging and all the landowner issues this year.

Having said that, when the fish get up there any ifisher that want to go can go in with me. One or two at a time. Shoot me an e-mail
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An OSP recently told me the Acid test for whether or not a river is Navigable is to determine
if it falls under the juristiction of the Coast Guard. If the coast guard patrols it you can safely assume it is navigable if they don't patrol it, it is non-navigatable. He also told me that I shouldn't
consider the Clackamas, Sandy or any other river Navigable in terms of Crossing someone's property to access a fishing hole. I would probably find myself in big trouble with the law.

This OSP is a retired OSP game enforcement officer.
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