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Old 04-15-2015, 04:49 PM   #1
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Get psyched folks!

BREAKING NEWS...

Just got a text from a trusted source at the PFMC meeting in California. Managers and negotiators literally pulled a rabbit out of the hat in the past week!

So who's ready to keep a few of these in September?



Buoy 10 is now poised to run WITHOUT chinook mark-select thru Labor Day!


They were able to transfer enough unused tule impacts from northern intercept fisheries (AK/BC) and PFMC ocean fisheries to the Columbia proper which provides for a much more robust Buoy 10 fishery than we could have imagined.

Much of this was driven by other constraining stocks to ocean fisheries from AK all the way to WA... meaning less tule impact consumed in those fisheries. The result is that more are available to fuel a full chinook season in the estuary.

This is fantastic news for the home team! Let's keep our fingers crossed that the chinook run materializes as forecast and that no emergency in-season adjustments will be required.

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Old 04-15-2015, 04:58 PM   #2
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Just saw the news release, http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/apr1515a/

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Official earliest Bouy-10 thread ever, 😁 LOL..... Not a problem Doc- we gotta have something to look forward to after this awful Spring Chinook season we're currently in the middle of. 😇

It's gonna be fantastic!!!!! 🎣🎣🎣🎣
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Thx Hans... was just about to post that link, too.

I believe we should all heed this clause...

" During the season, fishery managers will assess the catch and may make changes to chinook retention."

This is a sword that could cut both ways.

If the Buoy 10 fishery stays within its projected tule impacts in-season, there could be room to allow mark-select chinook between Labor Day and Oct 1.

If Buoy 10 looks like it's gonna exceed its projected tule impacts in-season, the DFW's are prepared for an emergency closure for chinook... even before Labor Day.

I believe angler behavior has tremendous potential to swing how it all goes down. I'll leave that discussion out of this thread to keep it from getting shut down or moved by the mods. If anyone wants to pursue it, click here:

https://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...34#post9928834
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Just saw the news release, http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/apr1515a/

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So I guess we are still going to be required to release Hatchery chinook from September 8th to September 30th B-10 to B-44. Not the end of the world there should be plenty of Coho. Just seem odd to release a hatchery fish for that 22 day stretch and only in the piece of water. At that meeting in Vancouver seems like the DFW guys had a concern about keeping hatchery fish off the spawning beds. Perhaps I'll give them a call they must have a reasonable answer.
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Was going to agree with Bill Jr., on your early start, to this thread, but your news does have me a bit excited !!

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So I guess we are still going to be required to release Hatchery chinook from September 8th to September 30th B-10 to B-44. Not the end of the world there should be plenty of Coho. Just seem odd to release a hatchery fish for that 22 day stretch and only in the piece of water. At that meeting in Vancouver seems like the DFW guys had a concern about keeping hatchery fish off the spawning beds. Perhaps I'll give them a call they must have a reasonable answer.
If recs are judicious about how they burn the tule impact before Labor Day, Lonn, there could be enough left to fund a mark-select piece for chinook the remainder of September
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Early thread or not, this is the fishery I think about all year. Got 10 days booked!
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If recs are judicious about how they burn the tule impact before Labor Day, Lonn, there could be enough left to fund a mark-select piece for chinook the remainder of September
That would be an awesome bonus. Overall I'm very pleased at the fishery we have down here. I put the boat in the slip last Friday and I'm tying mooching rigs already. Going to be a great year again.
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OK what is the best week to be down there?
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OK what is the best week to be down there?
In Recent years past it fished well the whole month but this year may be different. It always best toward the end but I prefer earlier to mid month because your always gaurenteed to bonk those natives URB's.
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Love that first picture! Reminds of one of the many great days we had last year:



There's still a lot of good fishing between now and the B10 season, but I'm already giddy with anticipation; nothing compares to Astoria in August!

Great news on being able to keep non-marked chinook through Labor Day, and great points about our impacts on Tules and how they affect our seasons. For those wanting to brush up on Tule identification and the situation as a whole (that should be all of us), here are two of the most educational threads, or any material for that matter, that you'll find:

TULE IDENTIFICATION
https://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...identification

TULE SITUATION
https://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...highlight=tule

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Old 04-15-2015, 09:28 PM   #14
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I don't even fish there. I'm just happy for others that do. We'll get ours up in the gorge too but always sounds fun to get em down by the ocean or tidewater. go get em boys
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Get PSYCHED!

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As usual water will be warmer in August in the Estuary but his year it may a warm bath. At least on the flood we will have some cool water depending on ocean conditions. Also some ask whether it will be a good spinner year. Hopefully! it's much easier but I find myself normally using fresh anchovies. What do you think Doc as far as warmer water temps and bait verse spinners?


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If you only have one week to pick from I would go with the third week. However any of the last three week in August could be the one. The more days on the water down there the better the chance of hitting those really hot days. Part of it is finding the fish and staying with them. Last year my favorite week was all of September. Wide open river and lots of fish.
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If you only have one week to pick from I would go with the third week. However any of the last three week in August could be the one. The more days o the water down there the better of hitting those really hot days. Part of it is finding the fish and staying with them. Last year my favorite week was all of September. Wide open river and lots of fish.
Wasn't that just fun as hell?!?

Early October ain't too bad either:

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lets keep this reports only people!
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Late October wasn't bad either....
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Report from Hammond Sunday morning after digging clams with the family.

I was going to ask the checker how many fish for how many boats... but looks like it might be a bit early - I think there is a few more people to talk to in August...



August and September are going to be awesome... I'll start tying leaders and making spinners in June.
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Awesome is an understatement! Can't wait and yes doc that was a good rabbit they pulled out.
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We have 2 weeks booked at Fort Stevens for the end of August. Depending on when our rental sells we may be bringing a new boat to the festivities
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This will only be my 4th year fishing down there and it has always been epic. My prediction is the Columbia water temperature will be at least 5° warmer than it normally is. Will this make this fishery fish even better because more fish may back in and out before heading up, or will they spend less time in the estuary to just get to the gravel quicker?
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Bringing the new boat down this year. Looking forward to it.
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This will only be my 4th year fishing down there and it has always been epic. My prediction is the Columbia water temperature will be at least 5° warmer than it normally is. Will this make this fishery fish even better because more fish may back in and out before heading up, or will they spend less time in the estuary to just get to the gravel quicker?
Your assessment about the water temperature this year is right on, so here's my for what it's worth......
2013 was hot right from the opening and was epic above the 101 bridge and up above tongue point......never fished below the bridge, so can't reply to that.
2014 was never good above the bridge and was only sporadic below the bridge while we were there. It may have been great for others last year, but it was not as great as 2014 for us.
Prediction: With the river temp more like it was in 2014 (or higher), I'm thinking it will be more like 2014......

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Chinook Marina is booked full already. Prepare for another madhouse month of August.
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I thought the fish bit better in '13. The early fish certainly did. The fish in '14, weren't in places folks were used to finding them so they went unnoticed. If a person was willing to break away from the crowd and do things a bit different, they would have been pleasantly surprised. There were a lot of fish caught that folks were unaware of because they didn't explore.

Water temp in '15 might be cooler than '14. There's a lot of snow in MT and BC and it isn't warming up there as much as it usually has by this time of year. Eastern Orygun and Idaho are still pretty cool. If they can hold back some of that cool water in Snake reservoirs, it may help. But, I don't know how much influence the Snake will have on the Columbia? If the Snake flow is lower than normal, and normal warm, influence will be less. A degree or two cooler than normal, will have a greater influence. Cooler may not be good.

I'll be in Whitefish MT in early June. I'll check out what's going on up North. See what the natives think.
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I thought the fish bit better in '13. The early fish certainly did. The fish in '14, weren't in places folks were used to finding them so they went unnoticed. If a person was willing to break away from the crowd and do things a bit different, they would have been pleasantly surprised. There were a lot of fish caught that folks were unaware of because they didn't explore.

Water temp in '15 might be cooler than '14. There's a lot of snow in MT and BC and it isn't warming up there as much as it usually has by this time of year. Eastern Orygun and Idaho are still pretty cool. If they can hold back some of that cool water in Snake reservoirs, it may help. But, I don't know how much influence the Snake will have on the Columbia? If the Snake flow is lower than normal, and normal warm, influence will be less. A degree or two cooler than normal, will have a greater influence. Cooler may not be good.

I'll be in Whitefish MT in early June. I'll check out what's going on up North. See what the natives think.
I agree the fish bite better in 13 although 14 wasnt to shabby
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In 2013, it was so good, I told everyone that fished my barge, "Well don't expect that to ever happen again. We've been spoiled rotten! It just doesn't consistently get any better than this."

WELL, fast forward a year.... and WHOA! 2014 just blew 2013 right outta the water!

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I fished 19 days in 2014.... 10 days the first "week" then 9 days the second.

My second "week" was twice as productive as the first.

While everything in fishing is obviously relative... THERE WERE HONESTLY NO BAD DAYS!

"Worst" day week one was 7 for 8, best day 30 for 50.

"Worst" day week two was 27 for 36, best day 42 for 78.











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Even with this years mega forecasts for BOTH kings and coho, it's gonna be a dam tough act for 2015 to follow.

Secretly hoping to be proven wrong again.
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Honestly the last 5 years has been outstanding fishing compared to some years in the 90's
Doc those are some good numbers, on the average you fish 4 plus rods???
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In 2013, it was so good, I told everyone that fished my barge, "Well don't expect that to ever happen again. We've been spoiled rotten! It just doesn't consistently get any better than this."

WELL, fast forward a year.... and WHOA! 2014 just blew 2013 right outta the water!

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I fished 19 days in 2014.... 10 days the first "week" then 9 days the second.

My second "week" was twice as productive as the first.

Still think 13 was way better than 14.......

While everything in fishing is obviously relative... THERE WERE HONESTLY NO BAD DAYS!

"Worst" day week one was 7 for 8, best day 30 for 50.

"Worst" day week two was 27 for 36, best day 42 for 78.











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Even with this years mega forecasts for BOTH kings and coho, it's gonna be a dam tough act for 2015 to follow.

Secretly hoping to be proven wrong again.

Still think 13 was better than 14.......
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Your assessment about the water temperature this year is right on, so here's my for what it's worth......
2013 was hot right from the opening and was epic above the 101 bridge and up above tongue point......never fished below the bridge, so can't reply to that.
2014 was never good above the bridge and was only sporadic below the bridge while we were there. It may have been great for others last year, but it was not as great as 2014 for us.
Prediction: With the river temp more like it was in 2014 (or higher), I'm thinking it will be more like 2014......

again.......
I fished the B-10 23 days in August last year. There were a couple slow days around in the second week. Surprisingly enough the 21st and 22nd were also slow days for a lot of guys in my network. There were a lot of great days above the bridge early in the season and some epic days below later on. There wasn't that awesome bite above Tongue Pt like there was in 13 but it was still good enough to limit boats pretty easy. How soon we forget the tougher days down there 10-15 years ago. The fishing was good but not like it has been the last 5 and not like the last couple years. New place in Hammond, new River Wild, morage for the year, and a freezer full of bait! I am ready to go baby!
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New place in Hammond, new River Wild, morage for the year, and a freezer full of bait! I am ready to go baby!
Well I guess I know where to get bait when my guy runs out this year.
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Well I guess I know where to get bait when my guy runs out this year.
If the fresh bait is as good as it was last year you won't need what I have but if you do end up short you are welcome to it. Just give me a call and I will ever run it out to you.
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I used fresh bait exclusively last year, never again. Too soft. I'd pick it up the evening before, brine over night to toughen it up a bit. Was never enough. Fish would clean the hooks at the first nip and I'd have to reel in. If the bait would have stayed on the hooks, I'd have caught twice as many fish....or more. Very frustrating. I've got a case in the freezer down there now, waiting for the day....
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I am surprised to hear. The bait we got from Sturgeon Paul last year was great. This being said by a guy who lives 20 minutes from Point Defiance (the waters of fine herring). Maybe get your bait in the mornings and get the stuff that comes in that night instead of the stuff left from the delivery before? Or just stock up now while you can. :grinning:
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Fresh off the delivery truck. They would have worked fine fished whole. I'm not good at rigging whole herring. Need to take someone fishing who is so they can teach me how.
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2013 chinook was better than 2014 but add in the 2014 coho and 2014 easily beats 2013! This was the case for all my group of guys who discuss these things.
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I'm pumped! Just got confirmation for a mooring slip August 15 - 23. Our group dreams of Salmon Camp all year long.
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last year was my first time down there. can't wait for this year and each year to follow.

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DogZilla, I use fresh bait almost all the time and such at rigging whole herring like you. I use the Rhys Davies Anchovy Special heads then instead of the single treble they come with I change it to 2 singles (1 in body to get bend and a stinger hanging about an inch behind the tail). I can even pre-rig a few for the wife so she can change out her own bait and leave me the f..... alone to do everything else.

I use to have to order them online after Sportsmans stopped carrying them, now that Bass pro is in Tacoma I can just drive over there and pick them up.
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Old 04-21-2015, 12:06 PM   #46
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Fresh off the delivery truck. They would have worked fine fished whole. I'm not good at rigging whole herring. Need to take someone fishing who is so they can teach me how.
Try the "Dick's Sure Spin Helmet Heads". Or, I'd be happy to show you how to rig them whole....
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Fresh off the delivery truck. They would have worked fine fished whole. I'm not good at rigging whole herring. Need to take someone fishing who is so they can teach me how.
I'll ride with ya. I spin a mean whole bait.....A little bigger roll than most like, but they work!!! With any luck, I'm hoping to be down there a few days dry camping.
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Old 04-21-2015, 12:45 PM   #48
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DogZilla, I use fresh bait almost all the time and such at rigging whole herring like you. I use the Rhys Davies Anchovy Special heads then instead of the single treble they come with I change it to 2 singles (1 in body to get bend and a stinger hanging about an inch behind the tail). I can even pre-rig a few for the wife so she can change out her own bait and leave me the f..... alone to do everything else.

I use to have to order them online after Sportsmans stopped carrying them, now that Bass pro is in Tacoma I can just drive over there and pick them up.
Sportco always has them unrigged in 3 packs!
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:08 PM   #49
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There are tons of free baits out there almost every day. Last year I had a rod rigged up for jigging anchovies. I would go drifting through a bait ball and toss the rig out..... FREE BAIT. I use the Crippled Anchovy helmet to rig whole.
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Fresh off the delivery truck. They would have worked fine fished whole. I'm not good at rigging whole herring. Need to take someone fishing who is so they can teach me how.
Lotsa whole herring alternatives (including my personal fave) here...

https://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=4634764
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I'm going to launch in longview next year to fish bouy 10. Since apparently bouy 10 starts at bouy 22 and goes to cathlamet! Do you guys even know where the 10 bouy is ?? All kidding aside I will not be there tuna time baby!
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Lotsa whole herring alternatives (including my personal fave) here...

https://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=4634764
Best fishing buddy uses that rig and it spins well. I just tie a fixed three hook rig. The bottom hook goes through the tail and is a hang back, the middle one in the side and the tow hook through the jaw. The spacing between the top two sets the curve of the bait, and if the spacing is off I just wrap the line between the tow hook and the second hook around the shank of the two hook a few times to adjust it shorter.

I tried toothpicks, helmets, choked...this by far is the easiest to do on the fly.
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Wasn't that just fun as hell?!?

Early October ain't too bad either:

I said this was early October, but after reviewing the 2014 thread, it was actually the third week in September. Early October wasn't too bad either.
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DogZilla, I use fresh bait almost all the time and such at rigging whole herring like you. I use the Rhys Davies Anchovy Special heads then instead of the single treble they come with I change it to 2 singles (1 in body to get bend and a stinger hanging about an inch behind the tail). I can even pre-rig a few for the wife so she can change out her own bait and leave me the f..... alone to do everything else.

I use to have to order them online after Sportsmans stopped carrying them, now that Bass pro is in Tacoma I can just drive over there and pick them up.

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Old 04-24-2015, 08:47 AM   #55
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Why does no one use down riggers at buoy 10? Sheer number of fish doesn't require it? Or it's shallow enough, weights, deep divers and planners are adequate?
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H20fowlr: Rarely do we fish deeper than 35 ft. Fish tend to suspend when the bottom falls away and being at a precise depth isn't something I find necessary. Downriggers would be a pain in the neck to make frequent adjustments as the water depth changes. Need to keep in close contact with the bottom in the shallower water and I doubt downriggers can accomplish this? If water temperature, current, depth, tide, causes the fish to scatter, downriggers may be marginally effective but I wouldn't count on this. We all want out baits in "the zone" 100% of the time and downriggers can't accomplish this. Big difference between fishing and pulling bait through the water.
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Quick question, What's the fishing like in September? I have a fam vacation (my wife's obligatory Disney) mid August. First timer and will only be able to spend a couple days.
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Quick question, What's the fishing like in September? I have a fam vacation (my wife's obligatory Disney) mid August. First timer and will only be able to spend a couple days.
September is usually my favorite time to fish down there. Much fewer people, just as many fish. Kings will almost certainly be closed, but coho fishing in September can be lights out.
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September is usually my favorite time to fish down there. Much fewer people, just as many fish. Kings will almost certainly be closed, but coho fishing in September can be lights out.
Any differences in depth, gear, etc with fishing then versus Aug?
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There are tons of free baits out there almost every day. Last year I had a rod rigged up for jigging anchovies. I would go drifting through a bait ball and toss the rig out..... FREE BAIT.
I don't plan on buying many anchovies this year. You can fill a gallon ziplock in less than an hour while you are trolling. Sure, some of the anchovies get a bit mangled by the hooks, but the salmon don't care.
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