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Old 08-18-2019, 12:10 AM   #1
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Not my primary care guy, but a specialist. I really don't want to do it, but her behavior during my last appointment causes me some concern. I'm not questioning her competency or expertise, but I have outpatient surgery scheduled with her in a few weeks and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with her at this point. I was completely confident in her until she p----- me off during my last visit (I'm not sure she's aware that she did, but I did leave her office suddenly in a huff without saying a word. Due to her bizarre demeanor at that point, I don't think she noticed).

If it was anybody else, the situation would be easy to handle. I'd just drop in, politely air my grievances, give her a chance to make it right or tell me to get lost. In my experience, that's what normal adults do, and that's how I'd prefer to handle it. I don't give up on people just because they irked me a couple of times.

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Old 08-18-2019, 01:11 AM   #2
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you never said what she did to make you mad just ramble all over the place about it. when you get it together tell us what happened.
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Yeah pretty hard to gauge what's going on without knowing the story...from what you've said though if you dont feel comfortable with her then dont let her do the surgery...
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Old 08-18-2019, 02:43 AM   #4
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IMHO ask for another referral from your primary. No need to say why unless asked, and if asked Just say you are not comfortable with this particular specialist. Going into a surgery with any thoughts of not being confident in the people performing the procedure is not wise. Nothing wrong with advocating for yourself regardless of reasoning.
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Old 08-18-2019, 03:37 AM   #5
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Get it together? Okay. I shortened it up. I'm not particularly upset, but this is uncharted territory for me. And I'm not sure if I'm overreacting.

3 key things:

1. I've had three appointments so far with her this summer. Her demeanor has been all over the place. Anywhere from "my new best friend" to "in law who doesn't like me but has to tolerate me".

2. During my last appointment I was waiting in an exam room after her MA got me ready for a procedure. She came in, I said "Hi, how are you doing?" and she completely ignored me. No response. Didn't even look my direction. Went right in to starting the procedure. Rude, and out of character based on my experience with her so far. I know she wan't in hurry, but it seemed like her head was somewhere else. Like I was an unpleasant chore and she just didn't want to think about it.

3. The one that set me off- I was in her office discussing treatment options with her. I didn't particularly care for the way she was addressing me- nothing wrong with it, but during previous appointments when she was in "best friend" mode she would talk to me like we knew each other for years. Now she looked and sounded like a routine Power Point presentation at an uptight board meeting. I was starting to wonder if I did/said something to p--- her off.
I had a couple of questions which she answered to my satisfaction. But then she suddenly turned toward her computer monitor and stared at it for a minute. Then she looked down at her desk and started gathering up papers. Then looked back at the monitor again for a bit. Then more paper shuffling. Didn't say a word or look in my direction. It was like she had totally forgotten that I was sitting four feet in front of her. Maybe she was hoping that if she ignored me long enough I'd go away. It was bizarre for anybody, let alone a medical professional. I sat there for most of a full minute in silence, not quite believing what I was seeing. I could sense that I was about to go from zero to abrasive in about .3 nanoseconds, so I got up and left without a word.

I'm not angry anymore, just bewildered. I'd like to give her a chance to explain that weird interlude. I've never had anyone do that to me before, just letting me sit there like an idiot, wondering what is going on.

So am I overreacting? Seriously.
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I guess it depends on how lucky you feel getting the competent vs incompetent one. I’d get another specialist. Drs are like other professions, there are flakes and solid people. She seems like a flake with issues, and not the kind of person I’d trust my life with.
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Ya I had one one time that made me feel that he was more worried about a lawsuit than my pending surgery. It happens, remember docs are people too and some are less proficeient
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Could be most anything unrelated to you. Maybe she brought something to the office she should have left at home. Probably never know.

Here’s my tale of poor bedside manners. I was lying in bed after coming out of surgery and in terrible pain. Had my eyes closed but was not sleeping. Dr. came in and walked over to me, slapped my face and said, “nobody sleeps when I’m in the room.” He was a lucky man. Could have ended up with his own bed in the hospital. Last time I ever saw him. Pulled a Trump, you’re fired.
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Get it together? Okay. I shortened it up. I'm not particularly upset, but this is uncharted territory for me. And I'm not sure if I'm overreacting.

3 key things:

1. I've had three appointments so far with her this summer. Her demeanor has been all over the place. Anywhere from "my new best friend" to "in law who doesn't like me but has to tolerate me".

2. During my last appointment I was waiting in an exam room after her MA got me ready for a procedure. She came in, I said "Hi, how are you doing?" and she completely ignored me. No response. Didn't even look my direction. Went right in to starting the procedure. Rude, and out of character based on my experience with her so far. I know she wan't in hurry, but it seemed like her head was somewhere else. Like I was an unpleasant chore and she just didn't want to think about it.

3. The one that set me off- I was in her office discussing treatment options with her. I didn't particularly care for the way she was addressing me- nothing wrong with it, but during previous appointments when she was in "best friend" mode she would talk to me like we knew each other for years. Now she looked and sounded like a routine Power Point presentation at an uptight board meeting. I was starting to wonder if I did/said something to p--- her off.
I had a couple of questions which she answered to my satisfaction. But then she suddenly turned toward her computer monitor and stared at it for a minute. Then she looked down at her desk and started gathering up papers. Then looked back at the monitor again for a bit. Then more paper shuffling. Didn't say a word or look in my direction. It was like she had totally forgotten that I was sitting four feet in front of her. Maybe she was hoping that if she ignored me long enough I'd go away. It was bizarre for anybody, let alone a medical professional. I sat there for most of a full minute in silence, not quite believing what I was seeing. I could sense that I was about to go from zero to abrasive in about .3 nanoseconds, so I got up and left without a word.

I'm not angry anymore, just bewildered. I'd like to give her a chance to explain that weird interlude. I've never had anyone do that to me before, just letting me sit there like an idiot, wondering what is going on.

So am I overreacting? Seriously.

Nope, get another referral and if they ask tell 'em why. No way I'd trust someone with that kind of behavior. Might be a wake up call for her too, sounds like she could use one.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:41 AM   #10
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Check reviews. Check her credentials. With all that hubby has gone through the last two years...you have every right to switch docs. Some have great bedside manners but that's about it. Some are great in dealing with their specialty but stink as far as personality. Surgeons tend to be just a little on the arrogant side, I've found. Not all but a lot of them. I think his current infectious disease doc could be diagnosed as bipolar Maybe yours is too.
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I switched primaries a few years back because her ears didn't work, only her mouth...
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Did that a while ago. Her CV is impeccable. Honors all through med school, board certified, yaddah yaddah yaddah. Reviews are all good, but there's not a lot of them since she's young and has only been practicing a few years. I did find one negative review, but oddly enough I wasn't able to read it. Like maybe it was blocked or being contested.

I DO like her, I know she's competent, but this is a fiduciary relationship and I have to be able to trust her. I'm not worried about telling her or anybody why I'm switching, if it comes to that. I'd be brutally honest. I'm actually really curious to see her reaction if we have a Come To Jesus moment. That would tell me everything I need to know.

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I have a relative who's an MD, and he has Borderline Personality Disorder. It derailed his career just as it was getting started. He has his MD degree, but he can't actually practice.
My mom was an RN and worked for an MD that was a recovering alcoholic. He fell off the wagon one weekend and attempted to remodel the office.
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I have dumped 2 Doctors, one wouldn't answer my E-Mails, and one thought he was King George, and about to dump A** h*** one I have now. They are only people that have a different job than I do, I pay them I want service.
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Old 08-18-2019, 09:47 AM   #15
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as long as they are good i dont care how they act. if they lie about anything they are done.


go with your gut feelings. but she may be a person that when into something devotes all her thoughts to just that. and that may be good in your case.


it never hurts to be bold and ask as soon as you have thoughts about something to a doctor. they need a perspective on you as well.
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I would "fire" her, based on your second post.
Not so much for her behavior but for your reaction to it.
I'm not saying you are wrong, at all, and I would probably feel the same way. If I needed this person I would adjust my behavior and expectations accordingly, but if there are other choices available then I would take advantage of them.
Going to the Doc is stressing enough as it is.
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:20 AM   #17
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I’ve fired more than a few in my day... talking and not listening seems to be a pattern.

I’ve also walked out of appointments when they are running late. I love the phone calls after I walk out too. My time is much more valuable to me than it seems to be to them sometimes.
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BW: Good for you, the walking out part.
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:48 AM   #19
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Surgeons are piece workers you're hiring them to cut on you and nothing more. It's nice if they are a personal fit. But that's not my priority. I want them to be good surgeons.

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Old 08-18-2019, 11:03 AM   #20
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MD's know patient's will gauge them more on their "bedside manner" than anything else, so that could be the reason for the "new best friend behavior" on one given visit. Then back to normal. , As I understand it, that is 15 minutes to 1) review the chart, 2) see the patient, and 3) chart the visit. That;s what the carriers want to pay for. Heck, in many cases you are lucky if we see an MD, and feel lucky if we get past the PA's/MA's.
Over the years I have learned that some of the better MD's I have had are chronically running late, especially late morning and afternoon as things back up. Why? They are taking more time than they are getting paid for. A couple of my MD friends have confirmed this.
Maybe if the malpractice carriers were the same corporate entities as the health insurers things would be different, lol.
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They are taking more time than they are getting paid for. A couple of my MD friends have confirmed this.
Yeah, I know. That's how it was in the old days. Unfortunately, most doctors these days are employees of the practice and have to answer to the management, who may or may not be MDs themselves. Doctors with their own practice can do whatever they want, but that has a lot of pitfalls.

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MD's know patient's will gauge them more on their "bedside manner" than anything else, so that could be the reason for the "new best friend behavior" on one given visit.
Every MD I've seen on a repeat basis has been consistent in manner until now. I could bet $10,000 on my primary's demeanor every time I see him. Always a handshake, always calm, always asks about concerns from previous visits. Been that way for 12 years. He's not an abundance of personality, but he's steady. Lately it seems like he's trying to develop something resembling a sense of humor, although it's not working to well for him. But at least he's trying.
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Old 08-18-2019, 11:31 AM   #22
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I have a few in my circle that are or were docs. In general many providers right now are frustrated with the system and feel they are unable to practice medicine how they believe it is supposed to be done. If you have a doc or nurse friend, bring it up over beers and hang on.

What about just shooting straight with her? "Hey, I'm having a hard time with some of our conversations. I need to know [insert need here] before we go farther and it feels like your head is elsewhere."

The response could tell you all you need to know.

My own health issues of the past 6 months taught me the need to be proactive and almost to the point of aggressive to get the care you need. If you are not on death's door, you are a low priority regardless of how much you are suffering. Keep calling, keep requesting information, keep politely asking for return calls. Often it is a nurse of PA who ends up being the most helpful.

This is very stressful and I totally get it.





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Did that a while ago. Her CV is impeccable. Honors all through med school, board certified, yaddah yaddah yaddah. Reviews are all good, but there's not a lot of them since she's young and has only been practicing a few years. I did find one negative review, but oddly enough I wasn't able to read it. Like maybe it was blocked or being contested.

I DO like her, I know she's competent, but this is a fiduciary relationship and I have to be able to trust her. I'm not worried about telling her or anybody why I'm switching, if it comes to that. I'd be brutally honest. I'm actually really curious to see her reaction if we have a Come To Jesus moment. That would tell me everything I need to know.




I have a relative who's an MD, and he has Borderline Personality Disorder. It derailed his career just as it was getting started. He has his MD degree, but he can't actually practice.
My mom was an RN and worked for an MD that was a recovering alcoholic. He fell off the wagon one weekend and attempted to remodel the office.
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Unless it's something super serious and the Doctor is #1 in that field, I would be out. I don't care how busy they are or what the superiority complex is, if they can't be decent then it's a no go. See how they act if you're 30 minutes late for your appointment, but they think nothing of keeping someone waiting for hours.
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What about just shooting straight with her? "Hey, I'm having a hard time with some of our conversations. I need to know [insert need here] before we go farther and it feels like your head is elsewhere."
That's exactly how I want to approach it. That's always been my style. Knock down the doctor/patient barrier for a minute and talk like normal people. I don't want to do it on the phone, but I might not have a choice.

I don't mean to keep moaning about this, but there's a lot of factors at play. About 6 months ago I decided to listen to the warnings I've been getting about my health for the last 20 years. My body was like a old satellite in a decaying orbit above the planet. Not a matter of if, but when it was gonna burn up in the atmosphere. So I made some big changes and dropped about 50 unneeded pounds. Just when I was starting to feel pretty good, I started coming apart at the seams. In the last 4 months I've had more doctor appointments than in the last 15 years. I was always aware of the sorry state of our health care system, but now I'm getting a buttfull of it. A lot of frustration. This latest issue that I'm seeing this specialist for isn't life threatening, just really annoying and inconvenient. And I need to get it fixed ASAP due to some potential insurance issues, which is why I'm reluctant to just fire her outright. And it's VERY expensive for such a short procedure.
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I have a few in my circle that are or were docs. In general many providers right now are frustrated with the system and feel they are unable to practice medicine how they believe it is supposed to be done. If you have a doc or nurse friend, bring it up over beers and hang on.

What about just shooting straight with her? "Hey, I'm having a hard time with some of our conversations. I need to know [insert need here] before we go farther and it feels like your head is elsewhere."

The response could tell you all you need to know.

My own health issues of the past 6 months taught me the need to be proactive and almost to the point of aggressive to get the care you need. If you are not on death's door, you are a low priority regardless of how much you are suffering. Keep calling, keep requesting information, keep politely asking for return calls. Often it is a nurse of PA who ends up being the most helpful.

This is very stressful and I totally get it.
As a retired health care provider, I would add a few points. First, if you're unhappy about the way you're treated, let the office manager or receptionist know, so the doc has a chance to resolve it. It was never in my best interest as a practitioner to make people mad, and certainly not a practice builder. Second, the best surgeons don't necessarily have a personality. In fact, many are pretty arrogant and overworked, but if it's me, and they really are good, that's who I want. Also, many physicians now are incredibly overworked. Often they're just employees, not owning their own practice. They have more regulations to deal with than you can imagine, and more patients than they can deal with. Lastly, they're human, They have good days and bad days. Staff issues, family issues, life issues like everyone else that affect them on a daily basis.
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Old 08-18-2019, 07:50 PM   #26
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I didnt go through all the replies but the ones I did I'm surprised at the number of people who side with you and say you should switch docs...reading your post on what she did...u said hi and she ignored you? Could it even be remotely possible she didnt hear you or was just super busy? She is a person and probably has a life outside of work and who knows what kind of day she was having...maybe her dog died, husband left, family issues...who knows...maybe she just didnt hear you. Then you say she answered some of your questions to your satisfaction but then looked at her computer, papers, back to computer and you sat there for a MINUTE in silence before deciding to just get up and walk out...I'd guess when you left she probably thought you were the one who was rude as hell. If you had an issue you should have voiced it to her right then and there. Not sure why people try to avoid confrontation so much. It probably could have all been resolved with a quick "hey you ok, you seem a bit distant. If this is a bad time or you got to much going on I can come back another time". At that point she probably would have told you why she may not have been present or at least would have been after that. Speak up.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:57 PM   #27
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I had a woman primary care doctor once everything was going great, until she had me check for my own hernia. I felt kind of jipped I never went back. Too busy to talk, I would have said hey remember me ?
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FishOnSHawn, you're absolutely right. I already considered all that. I should have said something then and there...........BUT- I already said I was about to uncork and say something really unpleasant that I would wind up regretting. Therefore the best option was for me to get up and leave. Not the best reaction, but the best I could do at the time. I'll take the hit for that. But that doesn't change the situation as it is now.
I didn't mention that I got all the way down the hall to the lobby before I really got p----- and went back to her office. Luckily for everybody she was already with the next patient. If she was still available I might have made an ugly enough scene to get tazed and dragged out by security. That's how torqued I was. I don't avoid confrontation- but my confrontational style is weapons-grade and leaves nothing but devastated landscape, weeping children and shattered souls in it's wake, so I use it sparingly. That's just me, and I make no apologies. Luckily I have a wife who recognizes when it's about to happen, and she knows how to stop me before I turn into Leatherface from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Unfortunately she wasn't there, so I had to go Zen and exit the premises calmly before I started swinging a 26" Stihl around.
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:21 AM   #29
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Well if it was that bad there must have been more going on that doesnt translate through txt very well. What you wrote doesnt sound all that bad to me but obviously something else must have been going on to rile you up that bad. It must be one of those you had to be there situations.
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Look (retired health care worker here) Docs are people too and have bad days like us all. BUT many have the bedside manner of a brick. Had a neurosurgeon jump all over me because my primary sent me to him for followup. Needless to say the next spine surgery was done by someone else. What if they get upset during a surgery? It is a maturity thing.
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Call me old fashioned.
I switched Doctors because He switched his sexual orientation.
Should'a got an Attorney then as well.
Try that on for size.
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My wife worked with doctors across the country for years. Had hundreds of client doctors that she interacted with. Lots of stories to tell about doctors that were apparently not very competent. Or doctors with attitudes that treated everyone else like they were inferior incompetents.

So what I got out of all her stories was that you should treat your doctor just like every other professional you may consider hiring: some are poor, most are average, some are great. The reliable 'bell curve' Gaussian distribution works for everything and every profession on earth. If you think there is any chance your doctor is not competent, rely on the 'red flags' you may be perceiving. But if you think your doctor is simply not great at interactions, then I'll take a competent jerk over an incompetent 'nice guy' any day of the week.

I want a doctor to explain things to me so I can understand. Explain the tradeoffs. I figure the doctor is my hired, highly knowledgeable, specialized consultant. But I want to be the person making the decisions, not the doctor. So I kind of force the doctor to have enough bedside manner to answer all my questions - and if they won't, I move on.
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Old 08-19-2019, 07:31 AM   #33
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I think Dr’s are much better at communicating these days because they’ve been trained to listen. The problem lies in the patient not being informed enough about medical issues to accurately explain what the problem is. If the patient can’t communicate accurately, the Dr. may go off in the wrong direction and treatment will suffer. Dr’s need information. I think many folks think the Dr. needs to figure out what’s wrong but many time it’s the patient who needs to know.
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:13 PM   #34
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I fired my neurologist. When I first saw him it was to evaluate me for surgery. Surgery was scheduled for a few months in the future.
Went to him a few days before surgery. To my surprise, when the doctor came into the room to talk about the surgery, the doctor was a really ugly woman with the same last name as my doctor.
Turned out my doctor was in the middle of a so called sex transition. I fired it (the doctor) immediately.

It said it understood and it had lost most of its patients.
It took a few extra weeks to get a new, non sex change doctor.Surgery was successful.
When the doctor with the sex change asked why it was fired, I told it that I considered it to be mentally ill.
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:28 PM   #35
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Sitting here right now recovering from a procedure a couple hours ago so if I ramble you know why.

Specialist I normally see took the place of my normal person who retired after 30+ years of seeing me...…..the person who took his place refused to screen me for cancer or do much of anything at all the previous person was always on top of. To quote someone we all know: "you're fired".

Fast forward to this guy. He happened to be the ER on-call specialist doc a month ago when he attended me.....said he happened to be from the same group as my primary. I was so impressed I asked if he was taking new patients. "Why yes I am". "YOU'RE HIRED". Told him my frustrations and he took care of business the other guy refused to do. And he just worked on me today.

We aren't marrying these people but some of them hold the card of life and life is too short.



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Old 08-20-2019, 02:22 AM   #36
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Ok, so yesterday afternoon I left a message with her front office asking her to call me. I didn't expect a call back right away because I knew she was in surgery all day. We'll see if we can fix this. I've got almost 4 months invested in this so far, so it would be better for everybody if we can get back to a warm fuzzy place.
If I don't get a call back, then I'll have to fire her without giving her a chance. That would really, really suck, since I do like her. She just needs to restore my confidence, which shouldn't be difficult. I'm pretty reasonable, except for the occasional childish temper tantrum.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:15 AM   #37
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Yes, I have had to "fire" a doctor. Her and her staffs attitude was a huge put off. Besides the misdiagnosis and refusal to believe she was wrong.

The neurosurgeon that performed my neck surgery a week later confirmed the misdiagnosis.

If you don't feel "warm and fuzzy" with your primary care physician, get a new one.



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Old 08-20-2019, 05:58 AM   #38
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I finally dropped my 78 year old doc and went to a new doc explaining to her that I needed a new PCP and asked her if she was also comfortable taking on the role of my PCP. Best thing I've ever done. My old doc is a very nice guy and very sociable during a visit. However he only wanted to treat the problem and not do prevention. The turning point was when he prescribed a med for a minor sinus infection at was on the extreme end of dangerous side effects to the extent that the pharmacist spent time going through how to take the drug and what not to do after taking the drug and gave me a web site to do followup reading on it. After I did that no way was I taking this stuff for a minor problem. That was my last visit.


The down side was the new PCP ran me through a battery of health tests for a base line on my health. I love the fact that I can directly email her and she handles questions and problems without needing an office call.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:05 AM   #39
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I've fired doctors and checked myself out of hospitals twice. I'm the one paying the bill (along with whatever my insurance covers) and demand respect and adequate care. If I'm not getting it, I'm gone. If a doctor is rude or obnoxious by nature or just having a bad hair day, it's THEIR problem. If they aren't professional enough to put that behind them and focus on what they ought to be doing, they don't deserve to be paid. If they can't be 'in the now' they need to take a mental health day off.



As it happens, I've had my primary doctor for about 30 years. He is extremely through, asks questions and listens. He offers options for treatment along with his recommendation along with why in lay terms. The decision is mine. Hes been threatening retirement for about 5 years now, but luckily for me he's hanging in a while longer. Don't know what I'll do when he finally does.
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I'm at my wits end. Hubby has a plethora of docs. I don't know which one to fire. He battled through a blood infection in June with a help of a "one step above" chemo-type drug. Now his vitals are good and I'm pushing lots of protein and just plain fattening foods but he keeps losing weight and is very weak I've addressed it with his primary care doc, his cardiologist and his infectious disease docs. They all just seem to blow it off. If hubby agrees, I'm going to get his pmc doc to refer him to a gerontologist although at this point, he says he's not going back to a hospital. There is something in his system that's preventing his body from putting his nutrition to use.
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I'm at my wits end. Hubby has a plethora of docs. I don't know which one to fire. He battled through a blood infection in June with a help of a "one step above" chemo-type drug. Now his vitals are good and I'm pushing lots of protein and just plain fattening foods but he keeps losing weight and is very weak I've addressed it with his primary care doc, his cardiologist and his infectious disease docs. They all just seem to blow it off. If hubby agrees, I'm going to get his pmc doc to refer him to a gerontologist although at this point, he says he's not going back to a hospital. There is something in his system that's preventing his body from putting his nutrition to use.
Celiac disease? A friend of my wife had the same symptoms.
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Celiac disease? A friend of my wife had the same symptoms.
Doesn't that cause some sort of pain and diarrhea? He doesn't have any symptoms of anything. Just losing weight and weak. His last test showed something in his platlets (?) but not being a doc, I have no clue. But thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep it in mind as we move forward.
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Switched Dr.'s last winter.

I asked myself "If some bad stuff happened to me....would I feel confident about this person diagnosing and treating me?"
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Switched back to my VA doc or dr's, after spending nearly a week in the local civilian horsepistol last summer, with fungal pneumonia. Couldn't get a word in edgewise about anything, when trying to talk and ask questions.
Just ask him. He is one of the best.
And as several above have mentioned. His ear's were non functional but his mouth ran non stop.
He insisted on a down the throat type biopsy, and when he found no cancer, he insisted on a machine guided type needle through the chest biopsy.
I walked away after the fungal meds put me back on my feet.
But he had his secretary call several times to schedule the needle biopsy. I had already told them twice, "NO WAY".
I heard recently he moved on to greener pastures. Or where ever. Good riddance.
But I ain't going back to the horsepistol. (At least not that one).
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Man I sure must live a charmed life. 7 major surgeries, stage 4 cancer, atrial fibrillation, peripheral neuropathy, other minor annoyances and never had a Doctor I didn’t like. One heart Doctor at Good Sam left in the midst of treatment with no explanation to anyone but another stepped right in. They all give us time, concern and real interest in medical issues. One doctor threatened to drop me if I didn’t get my blood tests in on time. I discussed his demeanor and he apologized. What more can one ask? My oncologist is genuinely up front with me assuring me along the way. One told me to never hesitate about symptoms. He said “ you know more about what’s ailing you than I do. We don’t have all the answers.” Doctors and Nurses are under paid and under appreciated. That’s why they call them Medical Practitioners. They are not perfect, just good at what they do. And some are better than others.
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Man I sure must live a charmed life. 7 major surgeries, stage 4 cancer, atrial fibrillation, peripheral neuropathy, other minor annoyances .

I greatly admire your perspective. Cheers to you Joe.
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I did not fire my doctor but I think my doctor pretty much fired me. I really do not think i am welcomed back in the clinic she works in especially after we had a heated exchange in the office.
What happened was I took a bill in for a previous visit that I only was in with the doctor for 7 minutes. The office charged my insurance $385 for 7 minutes. Total time I was in the office from check in to check out was 12 minutes. I told my doctor that they should absolutely ashamed of themselves to charge that much for a total of 12 minutes. The conversation went downhill quickly when I produced the bill.
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Would you want Les Schwab to charge you less if they put tires on your car quickly? Or Jiffy Lube, do you pay them by the hour? Do you pay for your gas by how long it takes to pump it? The guy who built your house, did you pay him by the hour?

I used to get paid by the hour, now I get paid by the job. Some jobs I make out like a bandit, some I just do okay, one memorable job I wish I could forget.
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I did not fire my doctor but I think my doctor pretty much fired me. I really do not think i am welcomed back in the clinic she works in especially after we had a heated exchange in the office.
What happened was I took a bill in for a previous visit that I only was in with the doctor for 7 minutes. The office charged my insurance $385 for 7 minutes. Total time I was in the office from check in to check out was 12 minutes. I told my doctor that they should absolutely ashamed of themselves to charge that much for a total of 12 minutes. The conversation went downhill quickly when I produced the bill.
I get it. It seems like a giant amount for a short visit. However, one should stop and think of the opportunity cost for a business. Could the Dr. have filled the appointment with a much higher paying patient? Those businesses aren't cheap to run. So, I'm sure they have to charge so much per patient without regard to the amount of time spent with the Dr.-- just to pay the bills.

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I dunno. I got hit $486 for my first visit, and that didn't include the 2 minute long ultrasound. At least I got nearly 20 minutes.

Last appointment she had 40 minutes allocated, half of which involved the office consult that I walked out on. I checked my chart online and she had billed my insurance with a code for "extended visit". Can't wait to see what that is gonna cost.
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Ok, so yesterday afternoon I left a message with her front office asking her to call me.
Well, did she return your call? I sincerely hope so. The doctor/patient relationship is an important one, and it should be mutually beneficial.

For me, clinical skills trumps bedside manner. The primary objective is a successful outcome, a smooth post operative recovery, and a good overall prognosis following surgery. As some have already mentioned, there isn't necessarily a correlation between good bedside manners and clinical skills so I would think long and hard whether to terminate a relationship in which you expressed an investment in. The bigger picture is the successful outcome and whether you feel confident that this can be achieved, not what was a momentary lapse in pleasantries.

The truth is, doctors see a broad spectrum of patients all day long. Some that are very demanding, some need a lot of hand holding, necessitating explanation of the treatment plan at each visit. And I'm sure some patients are wonderful and it's like visiting a longtime friend at each appointment. But despite the advanced degrees, fellowship training and board certification, being a doctor is a very difficult job that probably doesn't have a lot of support within the profession. I'm sure that they can have bad days where they aren't as consistent with their chairside manners as we would like the to be, but while important it's not the most important.

Wish you the best of luck with your decision and with your upcoming surgery.
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The truth is, doctors see a broad spectrum of patients all day long. Some that are very demanding, some need a lot of hand holding, necessitating explanation of the treatment plan at each visit. And I'm sure some patients are wonderful and it's like visiting a longtime friend at each appointment. But despite the advanced degrees, fellowship training and board certification, being a doctor is a very difficult job that probably doesn't have a lot of support within the profession. I'm sure that they can have bad days where they aren't as consistent with their chairside manners as we would like the to be, but while important it's not the most important.
Yeah, I understand that. What I don't understand is why we send our best and brightest through the grind of med school/residency and then run them into the ground like they're disposable. I'd rather join the jihad and strap on a bomb vest and blow up some infidels. Quicker, less painful and more rewarding.

I finally got to talk to her yesterday. I sent an e-mail through the clinic website, saying I know you're busy, no rush but I need a callback by Sept 5 or I was cancelling surgery. Lo and behold, she called in less than an hour. She went right into officious mode again, which I hate. She's good at it, but I can see right through it. Wasn't exactly a satisfying conversation. She didn't notice anything unusual about our last meeting, which tells me that her head is elsewhere, and I told her that, straight up and blunt. I could tell by her barely contained voice that she wanted to reach through the phone and rip my tongue out. She also said in the most cheerful tone possible that she'd be happy to refer me to someone else. I didn't tell her that I'd already done that, and I have another doctor waiting on the sideline.
I'm no expert, and I can only speculate but I think that either A) She's burning out and/or overwhelmed B) There's an outside issue, of which the scenarios are endless. I feel bad because I'll never know. She's under no obligation to tell me anything, and because of today's "professionalism" there's always a wall.
There's more to it, but I gotta keep it shortish.
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Yes, more than a few times. I don’t take no crazy chit talk like “ there is no proven evidence that cannabis provides any medical benefits”. Head in the sand gibberish.

Or when he fails in his office to take a culture of my swollen bleeding foot and two days later I’m in the hospital for a week with MERSA and a exploded foot.. Seriously, it was time tell where to fly his kite
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You're lucky it didn't kill you. MRSA is bad news. That's considered a "Superbug". The kind that doctors and nurses whisper about while looking over their shoulders.
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