I've started noticing stores such as Home Depot and Safeway have masks available free for those that forgot to grab them from their vehicle. It certainly saved me a trek back to the car. Its not a big thing but something that helps in our current situation. And for those that get all ticked off at the store for not letting you in without a mask, your barking up the wrong tree. The store is doing everything it can to avoid paying a fine.
Harv, we have bought about every kind of mask they make and to be honest the two best are these one of which is free just down from your Astoria place at Safeway. The masks Safeway are giving out comes in a two pack and looks super cheap which it likely is but its comfortable, stays put and is easy to breath through. The best mask is one the stretchy tube type. We by luck found these on Amazon 5 for 12 bucks. They work very well and allow you to double if you think you need more filtering. Today I got an order in the mail and they included a mask with their logo on it. So another way to advertise I guess, will we all become walking billboards soon, maybe.
The worst mask is two we ordered for almost $20 that included a pocket to insert a carbon filter. It fit so tight and without the filter was difficult to sit and breath. Once the fiber took on some moisture it was like water boarding. I can't even imagine trying the filter in those.
Some stores have already been doing this for several weeks now, well before masks were mandatory, it's simply a smart & prudent business practice, they could not make customers wear them til it became mandatory tho, glad others are finally on board, glad other states are on board as well, 20 states now have mandatory mask requirements the last I heard, with more to follow soon I'm sure, also glad at least 3 once reluctant Ifishers are on board & actually calling it smart, even if only at the business level its smart. :applause: Personally I think it's smart at the health, business & financial levels. Hopefully this new found smart mask wearing procedure from the long time stubborn & reluctant at the national level is not a case of too little too late. ray:
Yes they could. Costco (and probably others as well) did it. On private property one must adhere to the rules set in place by ownership. Otherwise, it's trespassing, which is a crime. This is not the issue. The issue arises when government mandates this goofy game of Simon Says that everyone is playing in attempt to avoid a virus with a 99% recovery rate.
The new normal?
I visited my local sporting goods store (east vancouver)a few days ago and entered to see a group of 20somethings cruising through the store without masks. After walking to the back even more without. Probably 10-15 .
Asked a worker, "what's up?"
Was told nothing they could (or would?) do about it. Really?
The catch with the mask is you don't have to wear them if you have a medical condition. I do believe it is a HIPPA violation if the store ask why someone isn't wearing a mask. Last time I checked ignorance isn't a medical condition. Don't like the mask, get a face shield. It's not that hard. Do it for my family.
I live with 2 people who are immunocompromised. Both been hospitalized for illnesses that most of us can shake in a couple days. We are doing what we can to limit exposure. All it would take is me bringing it home on something because of someone being careless. I'm not ready to be a single father of 3 young children.
The catch with the mask is you don't have to wear them if you have a medical condition. I do believe it is a HIPPA violation if the store ask why someone isn't wearing a mask.
I believe they can't ask.. but they don't have to let you in if they can offer a reasonable accommodation. So if you won't mask up or wear a face shield, they can offer to get you whatever item you are shopping for and bring it outside to you. Evidently many stores have been doing this to maintain safety protocol while accommodating those with health conditions.
The guys you see on youtube getting in arguments aren't interested in being accommodated though. Those guys are just looking for an argument.
D4D.... Not surprising. Employees in non-management positions probably don't want to confront anyone for any reason. Shoplifters, robbers, doesn't matter. Maybe some business owners would rather pay the fine than comply just to keep the customer stream flowing. They may also be willing to bet there may not actually be any enforcement of the mask rule as it applies to business owners. A wait and see thing.
DZ, it's this sort of thing that makes me shift my spending habits. I believe it mostly a management problem. Really shows after visiting different area stores of the same company (big box home improvement) and how they are dealing with the problem.
I will shop at stores that I believe is really trying:twocents:
I agree with IdahoBeav. It's like when I go hunting. If I hear a nose in the brush, I shoot an hope to get a deer or an elk. If it turns out to be person, well they knew the risks when you went out in the woods. They should have taken some responsibility for themselves.
We really don't know the recovery rate because we don't know the infection rate. We don't know this because most folks who test positive aren't sick. If only those with symptoms were tested, the infection rate would appear to be much higher but that wouldn't represent the true infection rate because those tested would not be randomly selected. What about those who may have tested positive at one time but currently are negative? What about the false positives and negatives? The rate of false positives is somewhat high. Don't know about the negatives. I read in the paper the other day where a kid on a sports team was sick and tested positive. They tested the remainder of the team and found 7 more who tested positive, none of the 7 were sick. Something else my wife told me was some sort of event was held and afterward a bunch of attendees tested positive. Gotta wonder how many were infected before the event. Nobody ever thinks about that sort of thing.
So why would anybody claim 99%?. Does it really matter what the "recovery rate" is? does it really matter the exact # of positive cases, false positive cases, mild recovery's, full recovery's, false negative cases, & even deaths? I say no, all we need to know is its very bad & getting much worse than the cruel month of April ever was, with no slow in sight, this is bad, very bad, no matter how many times the hoaxsters try to downplay or make believe this virus away.
Adrenalin: Agree, 99% of what? But, 99% is just as accurate (maybe more so) than what the experts are throwing at us because of how the data is collected. Some numbers that most of us would find useful in assuming risk or satisfy our curiosity we never seem to get. The percentage of those who are/were actually sick with covid that have not/will not make a full recovery. Deaths should be included in this group. This group need to be broken down into two sub groups, those with underlying health issues and those without. There is probably a third group that could be extracted from the total which is those who participate in the designated dangerous activities like going to work at a food processor and the other stuff we're all aware of, or should be aware of.
One other thing I read in the paper a couple of days ago is another ethnic group that has the highest infection rate but represent the smallest segment of society. They are the Pacific Islanders/Polynesians etc.
And yet another point made in the Oregonian is the cause of the Newport outbreak. The language barrier. Virtually all of the employees were English illiterate, being they were from Guatemala. This isn't the only time language has been an issue, see the Pacific Islanders.
And now the latest....wait for it....wait for it....
Oregon madate now requires masks OUTDOORS if distance can't be maintained. And....businesses are requird to enforce it the same way they would inside their operation. So if you run a storefront and someone walks by on the sidewalk in front - you are required to treat that non-customer the same way you would treat a customer inside your establishment. Or risk being cited by OSHA for maintaining an unsafe workplace. :doh:
And now the latest....wait for it....wait for it....
Oregon madate now requires masks OUTDOORS if distance can't be maintained. And....businesses are requird to enforce it the same way they would inside their operation. So if you run a storefront and someone walks by on the sidewalk in front - you are required to treat that non-customer the same way you would treat a customer inside your establishment. Or risk being cited by OSHA for maintaining an unsafe workplace. :doh:
Beyond ridiculous Don, but on the bright side, there's already more than enough signatures for a chance at making our own mandate in a couple months.
Edit: Full disclosure, I went back looking for the article, and it actually states that they are "on track" to turn in 100,000 more than necessary, by the end of August.
The larger problem presents itself when hospitals get over whelmed a can't treat all patients the best they need to be treated. That's when the death rate rises. Just what medical personnel have been saying from the start.
The death count is about 130,000 so yeah, it's higher than the average flu.
The important questions are:
Are more people dying every day?
and
Are more people being infected every day?
The first is an easy answer. In April, the US was averaging around 2,000 deaths per day. Right now we are under 1,000 deaths per day. That's significant.
If we assume the virus hasn't become weaker, it would lead me to believe that we had twice as many people infected back then as we do now. We can't prove that, because our testing capability was garbage in April. There area also intangibles relating to treatments and such. But I'm still thinking we must have less infections with that big of a reduction in deaths. Maybe it's people wearing masks and social distancing doing the trick.
In many hot spots in the US (California, AZ, Florida, texas) things are worse than they were two weeks ago, but much better than they were two months ago.
In those areas where deaths are rising, it makes sense to reconsider some of the re-opening. But i the rest of the country we seem to be finishing the tail of the first wave.
Who knows what the second wave will look like though.
And the latest from Brown is:Ban on indoor social gatherings more than 10 people
She says that social gatherings like pot lucks, parties and book clubs cannot exceed 10 people if they are indoors.
This does not apply to workplaces or churches at this time, Gov. Brown said.
Expanding Oregon's face covering requirement
Starting on July 15, face coverings will be required outdoors if you can't maintain a safe physical distance.
Face coverings were already required in indoor public spaces throughout the state.We cant even get the enforcement to stop looters and rioters and now she wants this ,mask aside at what point does this get too stupid?
And the latest law from Emperor Brown is:Ban on indoor social gatherings more than 10 people
She says that social gatherings like pot lucks, parties and book clubs cannot exceed 10 people if they are indoors.
This does not apply to workplaces or churches at this time, Gov. Brown said.
Expanding Oregon's face covering requirement
Starting on July 15, face coverings will be required outdoors if you can't maintain a safe physical distance.
Face coverings were already required in indoor public spaces throughout the state.We cant even get the enforcement to stop looters and rioters and now she wants this ,mask aside at what point does this get too stupid?
But...but...ain't workplaces like food processing plants the hot spots with multiple positive cases? Seems like Astoria seafood place and the one in Newport had a lot of them. And the tater plant up in Umatilla county? But they don't matter. Just don't walk around town bare faced. Got it.
Barely 12 hours old and its already teetering page 2 on a someone who posts about home depot and safeways giving out masks at the door? Think i'll skip all the scientific responses about generosity and skip to the meat and potatoes. Wear mask good, fighting chance this maybe goes away before Nov. Other countries have proven the mask "cospiracy" by showing STATISTICAL EVIDENCE that it does slow the spread.
No wear mask, your Sabatoge of an economy is in full effect BIGLY.
A real example of Covid stats hit home today. I got news this morning that a HS buddy died yesterday fighting the bug. But here is some underlying history. He contracted a viral lung problem that put him into the ICU for an extended period (no Covid), he got over the lung problem but needed rehab due to muscle loss. While in rehab he fell and broke his hip, thence back to the ICU. Then back to the rehab facility where an LPN was sharing her Covid-19 with patients. He died from Covid-19, but with him already weak and fragile a common cold might have killed him just as well.
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