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Old 08-30-2020, 07:24 PM   #1
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I will write up more maybe tomorrow but this is the best picture I could ever imagine of a lifejacket. My 17yo some was knocked unconscious while innertubing on the river today. Watching him lay face down in the water till I could get to him was unbearable but the thought of watching someone slip below the surface without a life jacket on in unimaginable.

Wear your life jackets! Have them out and on anytime you are on the water!!!!

It saved my son's life today.......

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Hope he fully recovers! Sounds like a rough day.

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Amen Ray.... hope all works out for the best.. when its your kid it's even tougher.
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Wishing for a fast and full recovery.
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Rayandmandi: I’m glad he was wearing one too. Thanks for risking sharing such a personal and relevant event to inspire others with.

I hope he recovers fully and quickly.

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Thank you so very much for posting this. It is one of the most generous and courageous posts I've ever seen on Ifish. I truly believe you have saved future lives.
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Wow, that had to be a gut wrenching moment. Hope he makes a swift recovery . Thanks for sharing!

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Can't imagine the feeling, Ray. Hope he's good to go in a couple weeks. And good on him for wearing a PFD.
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Old 08-31-2020, 09:42 AM   #9
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Damn glad he's alive, that's terrifying.

A week ago a 16 year old girl died swimming across the Sandy river, her foot got caught in rocks and she couldn't stay above water.

We've always worn them in case you hit your head when you fall. My uncle's family had a a scare when we were kids, boat exploded when my cousins were 5-10 years old from a leaky fuel line under the floor accumulating vapor, on a big boat you normally wouldn't wear life jackets, went from seated to swimming in 3 seconds.
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Glad he’s recovering and glad he wore a PFD. I’m sure people might have missed it, but I try to do soft encouragement of using PFDs in my signature.
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Yep, this will "sink in" to anyone who doubted wearing one before.. praying hes ok and no neuro damage.
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Thanks for sharing such a powerful reminder for why pfd’s are important.
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Old 08-31-2020, 10:43 AM   #13
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Glad he made it to see another day.

I cringe everytime I see friends post pictures of them floating the river with no life jackets on. It only takes one slip to lead to a big problem.

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I'm wishing him and your family the best.
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Musta got conked by a rock in the rapids? Scary stuff!
Hope he comes out of it OK!
After living on a river for 45 yrs , I've pulled enough people out to make me a firm believer.
Particularly for younger folks to wear PFD's. But have had to pull adults out too.
Mighty scary times.
Have had to pull 2 of my own kids to the surface. All good in the end, and a hekova learning experience for all involved.
I miss the river, but not the crowds of people down there.
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Praying for his recovery. From a Mom here....
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How is his recovery coming along?
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Old 09-07-2020, 08:04 PM   #20
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Great post thanks for sharing.
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Old 09-12-2020, 01:16 PM   #21
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It has been a very long week evacuating horses and cattle but I wanted to put an update on this.

First off, my son is essentially fully recovered and came out of this with some bruises and a very severe concussion. Luckily something that will heal quickly without long-term effects.

A little backstory on what happened. This was on the Willamette River between Wilsonville and Newberg. We were out with a few friends doing some wakeboarding and inner tubing. A close friend of ours who went in the Marine corps last year straight out of high school was home for two weeks of leave before deployment. My son and him, ages 17 and 19 we're having a lot of fun on the tube but like all kids that age they like to push it and I will take some fault as I don't have an issue when the river's open using the waves and throwing them in the air a bit. We were just getting ready to put the tube up but they wanted to go one more time before we switched over to the wake boards. We have a large tube that allows three people to lay down side by side. My son decided to jump on his friends back basically sitting on his hips kind of riding him. We have done this before and as always seemed like good clean fun. This is where the disaster started! Shortly after starting out there was a boat running up river going the other way that passed us leaving a nice large wake. As I turned to whip them over the wake they hit the first smaller wave causing my son's chin and the back of the other kids head to whip together. This is the point that my son was knocked unconscious and I'm told just went limp on the tube. Immediately after that they hit the main wake wave causing my son to literally fly 10 ft into the air like a rag doll. I witnessed this portion in the mirror but at this time I still did not realize what had happened. As I come off throttle and start to turn around he hits the water very hard and begins having convulsions, I knew something was wrong but at this point still didn't know exactly what. My years of experience is a firefighter EMT water rescue specialist kicked in and I kind of went into that mode. I came back to full throttle but it still seemed like forever to get back to him. During this time I watched him convulse in the water, stop convulsing which caused him to slowly roll face down in the water. I was extremely happy to have two other adults with me this day as 95% of the time it is just myself and four to five other high school seniors that have a close-knit group. As I approached him in the water I reversed hard to come to a stop and dove straight over the windshield in the water to him. As soon as I rolled him over his gas for breath were heart-wrenching water running from his mouth and he was still unconscious. One of the girls in the boat was on the phone with 911, I began talking to him so he knew he was safe now and began towing him to the boat as fast as I could. I was happy that this new boat I bought has a molded swim deck this sits flush with the water when not under power. We got in position to get him in the boat and he began to regain consciousness and it was able to somewhat help although not very meaningfully get him in the boat. At this time I was in a huge predicament because I was the only competent boat driver in the boat, but also the only medically trained person there. I did a very very quick assessment that there wasn't anything I could immediately do in the boat secured him on the floor instructing the others to make sure he doesn't roll around and he was safe and started back to the boat ramp. 911 had offered to send a boat from Newburgh but knowing the river and what was going on I declined the boat and had them meet us at the Boones ferry boat ramp at I-5 and the Willamette River. The river was slow that day without a lot of waves in traffic to contend with but there was still some boats on the water. I grabbed my brand new air horn that I had just mounted with my flare and other emergency kits to use as a warning device with my high speed and after one blast it began spewing liquid out and was useless. We got into the dock where I quickly transitioned back into medical treatment. We immediately got him off the boat into the shade and I started to assess him. At this time he was conscious but had no memory of anything that had happened and was still very confused. Very shortly after that firefighters in the ambulance arrived which we transferred care, entered him in the trauma system and headed for OHSU. As always the OHSU team was amazing and took great immediate care of him. We were home late that night resting comfortably.

The biggest lessons I want to share from this follow........

Wear your life jacket! Not just any life jacket but a proper fitting life jacket. I know that this is not a fishing situation but the rules still apply and accidents can happen. If you would have had a loose fitting life jacket on he very likely would have come out of it when he impacted the water and I would have not recovered him.

Always have somebody else that can operate the boat. This doesn't mean they have to be the best boat driver in the world but at least they need to know how to put it in gear and drive to you. If my boat would have drifted away I would have had a hard time and a longer swim to retrieve him and it could be detrimental if the injuries were worse. A very quick lesson of this is how you just put it in gear and steer can at least allow somebody to keep the boat where it needs to be

Always check your safety gear and have redundancies. I have redundancies and I have an excess of emergency gear on board. I had not tested the air horn when I bought it and I only had one air horn on board. I will now test my air horns regularly and I will also mount a second one at the rear of the boat with the mounted knife.

In hindsight we can almost always prevent an accident from happening. I'm not posting this to be judged and I will take my responsibility and not foreseeing things that could happen and also encouraging horse play on the water. The kids want to get back out on the water and I'm still very timid about it. I know it sounds crazy but I can't tell you how thankful I am that it was my kid. I could not imagine having to make the phone call to one of the parents of our close group of friends telling them what their kid was on the way to the hospital because I didn't foresee and prevent an accident. For those that know me you know that I can be overly cautious, prepare for the worst case, and very firm on my safety guidelines and following the rules. Even with that things can still happen. Know where you are on the water so help can find you, carry your safety equipment and redundancies, be ready to help yourself and to help others! Two weeks before this there was no boats on the river and my son saw a flare sheet off downriver I took the time and went to see what was going on and an individuals with four adults and four children under six years old on board had hit a log in the river ripping a very large hole and were sinking fast. Had my son not seen that flare we would have gone the other way and they most likely would have sunk with no other boats on the river that day. Carry your flares! And have them available. I know it sounds crazy because we all think of flares as being an offshore or large lake deal but literally this was on the river with houses on both sides that these people could have been in worse peril than they were have they not used the equipment they have on board. If you have an emergency use the equipment is what is there for Don't hesitate! You can always send help away but you can never get them there faster.

I hope that by sharing this an opening myself up to judgment that even one person can think about the lessons that I learned and what happened to me to prevent an accident or tragedy from happening

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Old 09-12-2020, 01:52 PM   #22
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Wow, Ray, That's quite a story. Great news on your son's recovery! And good on you for passing along your after action tips. It might very well prevent a tragedy in the future.
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Old 09-12-2020, 02:59 PM   #23
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Very happy Ray things turned out as they did. Your experience and training was a big part of the outcome I would venture to say..
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Old 09-12-2020, 08:17 PM   #24
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Sorry to hear. Lucky.

FYI: My father could not swim and refused to wear a life jacket . He drowned from a boating accident. HAve worn life jackets since
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When I was 12 or 13 I was a guest on a fishing boat. The owner of the boat said, "When I drive the boat, everyone should wear their life jacket." I giggled because I thought he was trying to be funny, saying he was a bad boat driver and up to that point, he was cracking jokes. He laid into me with more profanity than I was used to hearing from an adult. I was caught off-guard. In hindsight, he probably had a tragedy that I was unaware of. I always wore one from that point forward. And I always enforce that rule when I operate a boat.

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Thanks for your insight. Sorry for the need to go through what you did to get the insight. It would be nice if we could all go through these possibilities as a trail/training run.

We had a tragedy happen in our home in July. I have been with P&F for 28 years before I retired. I have gone through trainings every year since I began. But when this tragedy happened I was unprepared mentally. I fell apart, I was just not ready to handle something like that even though I thought I was, you know like a rock.
The thing is I wish I had that chance again.
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Glad everything worked out in your favor. Many years ago I had something very similar happen to myself but I was solo on the tube. Luckily I wound up on my back, when I was drifting in and out of consciousness.

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Thanks for your insight. Sorry for the need to go through what you did to get the insight. It would be nice if we could all go through these possibilities as a trail/training run.

We had a tragedy happen in our home in July. I have been with P&F for 28 years before I retired. I have gone through trainings every year since I began. But when this tragedy happened I was unprepared mentally. I fell apart, I was just not ready to handle something like that even though I thought I was, you know like a rock.
The thing is I wish I had that chance again.
I grew up in the fire service and everyone I have ever know will tell you that we are not meant for being there when it happens......that 3-7 min response time let's our minds work.

I'm very sorry to hear you experienced a tragedy, this is the third time I have almost lost my son in a year, all completely different and unrelated, this being the only one preventable.

I am sure you performed as best you could in the circumstance and hindsight is always 20/20.

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Speaking of life jackets, I came across this article on the MeatEater website on body recoveries:
https://www.themeateater.com/fish/fr...others-couldnt

It's a sobering read when you consider all that's involved with the families, the search and 'recovery' and resources.

And the section called "Wear a Life Jacket" : Some things nearly all of Cormican’s drowning victims have in common? They’re males who weren’t wearing a life jacket. The Centers for Disease Control report that 80% of drowning victims each year are male. And of 419 boating-related drownings cited in the U.S. Coast Guard’s 2019 Recreational Boating Statistics report, 362 victims (86%) weren’t wearing a PFD.
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Man, glad your son is good to go. No offense Ray, but we have had a hard and fast rule forever about more than one person on a tube for exactly this reason. Two heads can and do collide. Easy for somebody to get knocked out or at the very least get some teeth knocked out or something along that order. We never do this at LBC, ever. Sorry. On the tubes made for two people to get on.......no way ever. A really bad idea. One person to a tube, always. Wish the manufacturers wouldn't make the multiple people tubes, but they are real hard to flip and thrash. Double tubes with more than one person, no & no.
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Man, glad your son is good to go. No offense Ray, but we have had a hard and fast rule forever about more than one person on a tube for exactly this reason. Two heads can and do collide. Easy for somebody to get knocked out or at the very least get some teeth knocked out or something along that order. We never do this at LBC, ever. Sorry. On the tubes made for two people to get on.......no way ever. A really bad idea. One person to a tube, always. Wish the manufacturers wouldn't make the multiple people tubes, but they are real hard to flip and thrash. Double tubes with more than one person, no & no.
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We put two or three kids in the tubes all the time.

Good for you. Each to their own. That's perfectly fine if you are going slowly.
It is not advisable while traveling high speed or in an effort to see who can stay on the longest by cutting wakes, high speed turns designed to throw people off etc.....like we do. It's fun. We learned the lesson a long, long time ago about what can happen when two people are tossed about and heads collide......very similar to Ray's. This rule has been longstanding for a reason. I like my kid the way she is.......not a lot of scars, teeth and all.....and living, that's all. Everybody makes their own way.
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It's like watching my neighbor kids' riding bikes with no helmets around my kids.

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No way would I let my kid ride a bicycle. They are death machines.
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