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Old 03-17-2020, 04:27 PM   #1
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Both WA & OR governors decide that the health and safety of Fish & Game enforcement officers is more important than the monitoring of our fisheries, no enforcement means no fishing.

Please comfort me that this won't happen. I really need to get out of the house and take my kids fishing a lot this spring.

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Old 03-17-2020, 04:34 PM   #2
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I worry more about illegal activities especially with no game wardens


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When people are desperate they will seek desperate measures. Gill nets, spot lightning, trapping and so on. Mass slaughters like Euro Americans proceeded to do in the 1800’s


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I believe that the game/wildlife in Russia became a poaching free-for-all, at the moment that the old Soviet Union collapsed. All those protected sturgeon got poached out quickly.


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Well, why don't we all step up and call out any illegal activity? You see something wrong, you say something. I know this might not be popular but these are our fish and wildlife after all and although fish and game enforcement are paid for by our licence dollars, fish and game enforcement should be saving lives, if needed, given the current crisis. We all need to step up in time of need.
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remember in hurricane katrina . the police stayed home to take care of their own families. some didnt of course. but it happened on a large scale.
in an emergency you cant count on the govt. to protect or take care of you. it may happen but if you plan on it you likely will be out of luck.

The governments plan for Katrina was row vs wade.
Americans deserve more than, your on your own, the response to Katrina was a huge failure, why is that OK?
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Old 03-18-2020, 04:30 AM   #8
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Plenty of Seal Meat available to Harvest.

If this gets bad enough like Beach Caster said they may just cancel fishing seasons.....Westport and other ports already Shut down.
I’m assuming small operations like CR guides on the Columbia can still operate?
Girlfriends brother Operates out of Sitka and there is a lot of worry of how the Spring Summer season will go. Are people going to want to fly for recreational reasons??? Maybe they won’t even let you fly, a lot of un knowns....


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remember in hurricane katrina . the police stayed home to take care of their own families. some didnt of course. but it happened on a large scale.
in an emergency you cant count on the govt. to protect or take care of you. it may happen but if you plan on it you likely will be out of luck.
What I remember was Katrina hitting the Gulf Coast (think Waveland, Gulfport, Biloxi with immediate impact) and then the later levee failures in New Orleans; two distinctly different situations.

The real failure of government was in New Orleans and LA in general exacerbated by masses of people in N.O. who did not evacuate in advance of the storm. One more tidbit, the evacuation plan depended upon using school buses and it was those school bus drivers who were getting their families out of town thus diminishing the plan's effectiveness.

But I do agree with your second sentence regarding self-sufficiency.
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I'm looking at the bright side. Might be able to lose the extra 25 lbs that's been plaguing me for years. Every dark cloud has a silver lining. The good life is about perspective.
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I'm looking at the bright side. Might be able to lose the extra 25 lbs that's been plaguing me for years. Every dark cloud has a silver lining. The good life is about perspective.
My thinking as well.. Traffic is at an all time low!
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remember in hurricane katrina . the police stayed home to take care of their own families. some didnt of course. but it happened on a large scale.
in an emergency you cant count on the govt. to protect or take care of you. it may happen but if you plan on it you likely will be out of luck.
And they killed forgotten people simply trying to survive...
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Old 03-18-2020, 11:49 AM   #13
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They are LEOs and just like State Patrol, Sheriffs and local Police, they will be out working unless they are sick. I am pretty sure they will have altered contact procedures.
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We're skrewed

Along with the rest of the wild critters.
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Old 03-18-2020, 01:30 PM   #15
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They are LEOs and just like State Patrol, Sheriffs and local Police, they will be out working unless they are sick. I am pretty sure they will have altered contact procedures.
The problem is that our fisheries also have to be monitored by the biological arm of the government. If we have no fish checkers or bios to monitor where we are at with quotas and in season run forecasting, fisheries could come to a grinding halt.

I'm also concerned that Governor Inslee is about to slap down a "Shelter in Place" order on all WA citizens.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...area-explained

I may have a hard time explaining that my attached boat trailer is needed for an essential activity.

Sorry trying not to be a doom gloom guy here, just a fishing dad stuck home with two wild boys, and trying to put together some springer trips towards the end of the month.

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Old 03-18-2020, 01:58 PM   #16
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Hope they don't shut down crowded boat ramps during the height of Springer season! Might be over the limit of people there.
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Sorry officer I live on my boat during Springer season I cant think of a better way to social distance myself
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I got a bad feeling about the 3 flights I have to take to get to Alaska. Ugh.
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Old 03-19-2020, 05:49 PM   #19
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and so it begins....

WDFW NEWS RELEASE
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March 19, 2020
Contacts: Larry Phillips 360-870-1889;
Jason Wettstein, 360-902-2254

WDFW halts four-day razor clam dig that was to begin Friday, March 20

Pacific County Health Officials issue new order today as a measure to contain COVID-19

OLYMPIA – WDFW has halted a previously scheduled razor clam dig that was to begin tomorrow, Friday, March 20, in response to an order today by the Pacific County Health Officer advising the closure of beaches to razor clam digging.

State shellfish managers with the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) had approved a dig after vetting it with county officials and health departments in Grays Harbor and Pacific Counties, and after consultation with state health officials.

The cancelled digs include the following:

March 20, Friday 5:27 pm, 0.4 feet; Long Beach, Twin Harbors, Mocrocks
March 21, Saturday, 6:07 pm, 0.4 feet; Long Beach, Twin Harbors, Copalis
March 22, Sunday, 6:41 pm, 0.4 feet; Long Beach, Twin Harbors, Mocrocks
March 23, Monday, 7:12 pm, 0.5 feet; Long Beach, Twin Harbors, Copalis
"WDFW is responsive to the needs of local communities, and we manage razor clams in consultation with our coastal communities to ensure sustainable harvest," said Larry Phillips, WDFW's coastal region director. "But, under these circumstances, we need to include more than sustainable harvest in our decision making and do what is the best for the community. We understand that the county health department is responding to a global pandemic and WDFW is cancelling these digs to support that work and keep folks healthy."

There was a lot of dialogue and a fairly long process to approve these digs in light of COVID-19 concerns, and it has been a rapidly evolving issue, he added. "Typically, we would want to provide much more notice before cancelling a razor clam dig," said Phillips.

Given the level of concern expressed in the communities, and the fact that some of the beaches open to razor clam digging fall within multiple counties, we also elected to close all currently open beaches to razor clam digging in order to provide consistency in approach, added Phillips.

WDFW has tentatively scheduled additional digs through April. Approval of these digs will be based on the results of marine toxin tests, assessment of available health information and further developments in consultation with local and state health authorities.
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I will still plan to go fishing/hunting and obey all the normal safety protocols with virus/etc. regardless of what government says. At some point common sense would dictate and would not advocate poaching.
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Closing clamming doesn't make sense. As long as you go alone or with your immediate group, what's the deal? I completely understand that there are a bunch of people that can't figure this out, but many can responsibly go clamming, fishing, hiking.....

I don't see how this would be enforced. Heck, the police aren't enforcing shoplifting or theft laws, I don't see LE stopping people for going fishing.
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Buoy 10 cancelled is next. Might do some chinook some good. Also How about the Alaska trollers call it quits for a year. I just flew today. Airports where pretty bare and it was quiet like a library. Nobody talking and if they where it was about Corona.

Just heard of some Alaska cases when I got in.


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If we were put on lockdown and people actually abided by it, could you imagine what good it would do for the world, as a whole? I should say I'm not a fan of that scenario, but imagine......just for a moment.....what a very different reality for all the creatures out there that are being overrun by us human types.
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If we were put on lockdown and people actually abided by it, could you imagine what good it would do for the world, as a whole? I should say I'm not a fan of that scenario, but imagine......just for a moment.....what a very different reality for all the creatures out there that are being overrun by us human types.
Air quality drastically improved in China during their lockdown.
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Watch the 2nd part too.

Love that Muhammad Ali shuffle in the first vid.
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FISHERY CLOSURE NOTICE
March 21, 2020

Due to the recent Corona Virus Outbreak, affective immediately, all bodies of water in the State of Oregon and Washington will be closed to angling.

You do however have the opportunity to request that your fishing spot be exempt from this closure.

To have your specific fishing spot reviewed for exemption, please reply with the following information,
Name of Fishing spot:
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GPS Coordinates of Fishing spot:
Map Coordinates of Fishing spot"
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Once the following information if obtained, along with a $100.00 application/review/processing fee, we will send a team out to research the spot and determine if the above mentioned spot(s)meet the criteria for an exemption. You will be notified by mail of any decision within 4-6 weeks of the review.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

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FISHERY CLOSURE NOTICE
March 21, 2020

Due to the recent Corona Virus Outbreak, affective immediately, all bodies of water in the State of Oregon and Washington will be closed to angling.

You do however have the opportunity to request that your fishing spot be exempt from this closure.

To have your specific fishing spot reviewed for exemption, please reply with the following information,
Name of Fishing spot:
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Map Coordinates of Fishing spot"
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Once the following information if obtained, along with a $100.00 application/review/processing fee, we will send a team out to research the spot and determine if the above mentioned spot(s)meet the criteria for an exemption. You will be notified by mail of any decision within 4-6 weeks of the review.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely, Oregon/Washington Exemption Divisions
you should clarify that as a joke not everyone will get this.
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you should clarify that as a joke not everyone will get this.
Thinking you just did. Actually wanted to see how many would take it serious. Now you ruined it.
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Thinking you just did. Actually wanted to see how many would take it serious. Now you ruined it.
Very funny videos...It remains me fishing at Blu Creek on Cow. Thank you for sharing
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Coordinates on the way.
Don't be surprised at the lack of water.
Hunnert bux on the way, soon as I receive the 50 bux to cover shipping.
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If we were put on lockdown and people actually abided by it, could you imagine what good it would do for the world, as a whole? I should say I'm not a fan of that scenario, but imagine......just for a moment.....what a very different reality for all the creatures out there that are being overrun by us human types.


Oh boy.....
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Due to the recent Corona Virus Outbreak, affective immediately...
Nice try, but FYI it's 'effective' ~ that was the first giveaway
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Closing clamming doesn't make sense. As long as you go alone or with your immediate group, what's the deal? I completely understand that there are a bunch of people that can't figure this out, but many can responsibly go clamming, fishing, hiking.....

I don't see how this would be enforced. Heck, the police aren't enforcing shoplifting or theft laws, I don't see LE stopping people for going fishing.

The problem is this, all these recreational activities are what draws people to the beach and they don't just go to the beach they hit stores, gas stations and even mingle around the closed shops on the sidewalk. Keeping a reasonable distance is a joke for many. Its a bet that last weekend more than one person was walking around with the virus and depositing little virus bombs. Unlike the metro area local medical facilities are not going to handle very many people before they are overwhelmed. You can count the ventilators on your fingers for two hospitals in the area if that gives you some idea of what could happen. As for walking around in groups of your own family are you all wearing the same outfit or colored beenies to signify all are family to others I would guess not. So to those looking, your group is not following reasonable guidelines. Even with the beach approaches closed, with signs and barricades I watched one Oregon SUV come off the beach, move one sign and drive through leaving the sign off to one side. By doing these stupid things it will bring on even harsher restrictions on everyone even those that are following the guidelines. Do you want to go into total lock down in your home? Keep it up and you may get your wish. The longer people ignore this and think they should have different rules for everyone the longer this will continue and more people will fall into financial problems if not into a grave.
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Closing clamming doesn't make sense. As long as you go alone or with your immediate group, what's the deal? I completely understand that there are a bunch of people that can't figure this out, but many can responsibly go clamming, fishing, hiking.....

I don't see how this would be enforced. Heck, the police aren't enforcing shoplifting or theft laws, I don't see LE stopping people for going fishing.

The problem is this, all these recreational activities are what draws people to the beach and they don't just go to the beach they hit stores, gas stations and even mingle around the closed shops on the sidewalk. Keeping a reasonable distance is a joke for many. Its a bet that last weekend more than one person was walking around with the virus and depositing little virus bombs. Unlike the metro area local medical facilities are not going to handle very many people before they are overwhelmed. You can count the ventilators on your fingers for two hospitals in the area if that gives you some idea of what could happen. As for walking around in groups of your own family are you all wearing the same outfit or colored beenies to signify all are family to others I would guess not. So to those looking, your group is not following reasonable guidelines. Even with the beach approaches closed, with signs and barricades I watched one Oregon SUV come off the beach, move one sign and drive through leaving the sign off to one side. By doing these stupid things it will bring on even harsher restrictions on everyone even those that are following the guidelines. Do you want to go into total lock down in your home? Keep it up and you may get your wish. The longer people ignore this and think they should have different rules for everyone the longer this will continue and more people will fall into financial problems if not into a grave.
Yeah that... I sure wish the owner of the construction company I work for had this mentality. Their was more than 30 people on my job, in a confined space for 8 hours today. 6ft social distancing thrown right out the window. You couldnt avoid it if you tried. To top it off I send an email into my boss explaining I dont feel safe on this job and he gets grumpy with me. Oh ya, my attorney was contacted immediately after I got his response. I'm having a document written up as I type saying I can leave my job at any moments notice without repercussion.
They're taking this pandemic as a joke obviously and aren't thinking about their employees, but wallets first. They must pay for their negligence
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True dat, but just sayin' it's a little more prominent when trying to spoof an official news release...
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Washington state parks and wildlife areas to close following governor's order
OLYMPIA – Today, the Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission (Parks) and the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) announced the temporary closure of all state-managed parks, wildlife areas, and water access areas for at least two weeks starting Wednesday, March 25
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Contraire mon frère. "Affective is an adjective meaning influenced by emotions or arousing emotions."

I would be inclined to say the closing of public waters influences our emotions. So, I am going to stick with affective.
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Yep bad feeling comes true...thanks Inslee, what a guy.

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If we were put on lockdown and people actually abided by it, could you imagine what good it would do for the world, as a whole? I should say I'm not a fan of that scenario, but imagine......just for a moment.....what a very different reality for all the creatures out there that are being overrun by us human types.

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But for some of us we can literally go fishing with 0 contact. I filled my 39 gal. tank 2 weeks ago, we have plenty of bait/plugs. Me and my girls all have our licenses and we have a year long boat launch pass so I dont have stop, talk or touch anything to go out so why should I not be able to? No I will say when my gas runs out I will call it good but 39 gals will last me awhile
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