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Old 08-10-2019, 03:59 AM   #1
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Damn near got me a pair of kayaks yesterday. They were totally oblivious. Out in the middle of the basin above Reed and below Rooster Rock. Kayaks were a mud green (about river color) and the 'yakers were wearing colors that blended in. Match that up with the off sky yesterday and I would have been very, very easy to just run right over them and not see them until too late.


Fortunately I caught a reflection off of a paddle and avoided them. My point though is how oblivious they were to the danger. No bright colors to contrast with the lighting and background. If these people are going to go out in the middle like that, they need an orange flag or something.



I have been well aware of kayakers up this way, but this particular incident spooked me. I could have pulled a buoy 10 like that dude a couple years ago.

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They do need to show some common sense, for heaven's sake -- at least PFDs in colors easily spotted by rescuers if needed. Lots of yakkers carry a blaze orange flag.
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Probably same ones that ride bicycles around Portland,not sure if its stupidity or entitlement.Either way the result is the same,chlorine in the gene pool.
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Taking a watercraft into the middle of the river that has the sight signature of a deadhead is a death wish.
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It's THEIR river. You should show proper appreciation to them for letting you use it.
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It's THEIR river. You should show proper appreciation to them for letting you use it.
Zacally. Specially if they are on bicycles. They have the same rights.
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It's THEIR river. You should show proper appreciation to them for letting you use it.
LOL, Ya that is the attitude, but I am old enough to ignore it.
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Hope you took the time to educate them.
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Hope you took the time to educate them.
I must be rather bad at that as anytime I've tried to kindly educate the stupid on certain subjects I get a middle finger salute in return.
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I must be rather bad at that as anytime I've tried to kindly educate the stupid on certain subjects I get a middle finger salute in return.
You're not alone, my good man. I usually am busy doing many things whilst giving my blunt tutorial, and I'm met with teenage level angst. Oh well.
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I've noticed fishing yakers as a group seem to be more saftey conscious (bright colors and flags) than your average recreational kayaker.

Kayakers can get the same attitude powerboaters do when trying to deliver the "saftey" message to the uneducated in the yak community no matter how nicely it is delivered. But if you really want to see attitude try talking saftey from a yak to a powerboat.
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Snopro, bet that would go over real well.

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i would certainly wear and fly visible clues.


however they have the right of way being without power so it is up to us to watch for things in the water. is it them or the power boats drivers that think they own the river. i wonder.
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I wonder if they wear black clothes on a dark, rainy night and jaywalk for sport.
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I wonder if they wear black clothes on a dark, rainy night and jaywalk for sport.

Would it be wise to straddle a half sunken log and float down the middle of the river?
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Would it be wise to straddle a half sunken log and float down the middle of the river?
Not if you want to avoid chafing.
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There's right and there's dead right.
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Ah that old gem of wisdom. It's a good one, but I don't think it would hold up in court.
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Ah that old gem of wisdom. It's a good one, but I don't think it would hold up in court.


Yep that's the "dead right" part.
It's dangerous enough in a 20ft sled, why would anyone want to take that chance is a nonpowered stealth craft? The only thing dumber is wearing camo during rife season.
Next time you see a deadhead floating buy go look close and see all the marks where it's been hit buy boats.
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Damn near got me a pair of kayaks yesterday. They were totally oblivious. Out in the middle of the basin above Reed and below Rooster Rock. Kayaks were a mud green (about river color) and the 'yakers were wearing colors that blended in. Match that up with the off sky yesterday and I would have been very, very easy to just run right over them and not see them until too late.


Fortunately I caught a reflection off of a paddle and avoided them. My point though is how oblivious they were to the danger. No bright colors to contrast with the lighting and background. If these people are going to go out in the middle like that, they need an orange flag or something.



I have been well aware of kayakers up this way, but this particular incident spooked me. I could have pulled a buoy 10 like that dude a couple years ago.
So of course you saw all this while you were wearing your bright orange life jacket in your lime green boat, right? So all those big Tollies and barges can see you, right? Because for sure you couldn't disparage a vessel that you yourself could be disparaged for. Because you could be on the receiving end of the buoy 10 incident yourself.

And I do get it. I have worked on that river for 3 decades. You have to watch out for everybody. You just do.
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The smart ones will have those buggie whip style flags specifically for this reason. The 'yak fishermen seem to love accessories and are usually equiped with the flags. The average "I wanna try that kayak thing" guy is likely unprepared and a real danger to themselves as well as others.
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The smart ones will have those buggie whip style flags specifically for this reason. The 'yak fishermen seem to love accessories and are usually equiped with the flags. The average "I wanna try that kayak thing" guy is likely unprepared and a real danger to themselves as well as others.

All the kayak fishermen I know are super safety oriented. To the point where a noob that wants to tag along needs to show he has all the right safety gear and know how, or gets told “nope, your not ready”.




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I pilot a vessel that can exceed 60 knots. I run all up and down the Columbia and in the ocean. I must be very aware of my surroundings watching for uneven water, sneaker waves, dead heads, weed patches, and sand bars not to mention humans ,swimming , rowing , kite boarding and wind surfing. If one cant distinguish a kayak out on open water you may want to slow it down, sit on a booster seat, quit looking at your electronics or take someone out with you that can see strait expect small human or wind power craft to be out there too and they have the right of way if you run them down..

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I pilot a vessel that can exceed 60 knots. I run all up and down the Columbia and in the ocean. I must be very aware of my surroundings watching for uneven water, sneaker waves, dead heads, weed patches and sand bars not to mention humans. If one cant distinguish a kayak out on open water you may want to slow it down, sit on a booster seat, quit looking at your electronics or take someone out with you that can see strait expect small craft to be out there too.

When your in a craft that depends on other boaters to be alert and aware in order for that craft to be safe, you might want to rethink boating in this area.
Fish are not worth dying for.
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When your in a craft that depends on other boaters to be alert and aware in order for that craft to be safe, you might want to rethink boating in this area.
Fish are not worth dying for.
Other boaters must be hyper alert to collision hazards or should rethink being out there Running down a kayaker can have serious consequences. It will be you fault no matter what.

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Other boaters must be hyper alert to collision hazards or should rethink being out there Running down a kayaker can have serious consequences. It will be you fault no matter what.

I've boated the CR for over 40 years, seen power boats run into deadheads, other boats, docks, sand bars, wing dams and navigation buoys.
The fact is the CR shipping channel is a dangerous place for small boats and in my opinion even more dangerous for a low profile nonpowered craft that depends on other people paying attention to be safe. It's the wrong boat for that application.
Plenty of places to catch fish out of the channel.
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Canoe's were there first.
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At least wind surfers are visible.
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I pilot a vessel that can exceed 60 knots.
Sounds like a blast.

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If one cant distinguish a kayak out on open water you may want to slow it down, sit on a booster seat, quit looking at your electronics or take someone out with you that can see strait expect small human or wind power craft to be out there too and they have the right of way if you run them down..
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When your in a craft that depends on other boaters to be alert and aware in order for that craft to be safe, you might want to rethink boating in this area.
Fish are not worth dying for.
These were recreational, not fisherpersons, fisherpersons don't appear that aloof to the dangers. Again thank goodness for the flash of the paddle.
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"The only thing dumber is wearing camo during rifle season."
Thank gosh there is at least one other person on Ifish who feels this way.
As to doing it right as a kayaker, just watch one of Upland Sandpiper's fabulous Youtubes. Lots of red and orange.
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"The only thing dumber is wearing camo during rifle season."
Thank gosh there is at least one other person on Ifish who feels this way.
As to doing it right as a kayaker, just watch one of Upland Sandpiper's fabulous Youtubes. Lots of red and orange.
They were teaching that in hunter safety classes in the 60's.
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Welp. They DO make orange camo.
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Did you see if they had any prop marks on the back or kayak?
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Probably same ones that ride bicycles around Portland,not sure if its stupidity or entitlement.Either way the result is the same,chlorine in the gene pool.
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Being right or wrong doesn't seem to me would make much difference if your dead because someone didn't see you.............
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Won’t matter to the dead. Being in the wrong and killing someone will matter in a lot of ways to the living.
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Whiskey Tango I can agree with that to, but why not make it a little more obvious?
We all have a responsibility... hunter orange , high viz at work etc. Why not Help each other out.
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When your in a craft that depends on other boaters to be alert and aware in order for that craft to be safe, you might want to rethink boating in this area.
Fish are not worth dying for.
Doesn't matter what craft you're in, there're always bigger boats around, and careless/clueless skippers. Remember this?

Everyone needs to keep alert and look out for the other guy.
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To many close calls has stopped me from fishing B10, fish are not worth dying for.
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I saw a fisherperson in a kayak in the same part of the river yesterday. Easy to spot even with dark colors, low light, early, clouds, rain. He had a big visible body signature and a nice big orange flag 6 feet up. Life vest, the whole shebang.
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Every time I've seen Kayak fisherman on the CR they have one of those ATV poles with a red flag. In fact they catch my eye because they have such a low profile. Yesterday above the bridge one kayak was working the water trolling along with his red flag up in the air.


As a boater I feel its my responsibility to avoid any type of collision and not just rely on the other boater to adjust. We all have an equal right to the water we fish.
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As a boater I feel its my responsibility to avoid any type of collision and not just rely on the other boater to adjust. We all have an equal right to the water we fish.
I agree. One thing for sure is that kayaks and standup paddleboards are the fastest-growing sectors of the boating market, so they are here to stay. And, as with any other craft, there will be some responsible, well-equipped kayakers, and some not so much.

Another trend is that boat collision accidents are on the rise, possibly due to captains distracted by smartphones or chartplotters.

I've logged 3,000 miles rowing on the Willamette and Columbia. My biggest concern by far is being run over by another boat. The boats I worry about most are the wakeboard and tubing boats, especially when they "crack the whip" with their tubers, not realizing how big the swing arc really is. I almost got clobbered by a big tube that was doing this. It would have mashed me and my 90# rowboat like a bug.

I also worry about any boat doing 50 or 60 mph (PWCs and pickleforks) since there's no margin for error if they don't see me, and I would hardly have time to get out of the way.

Solo and tandem rowers in sliding-seat shells are also a problem since they face aft and cover a lot of ground between times when they turn their heads to look forward.

As for commercial boats, the Willamette River Jetboats are very professionally operated. They are watchful, respectful, friendly and no problem at all. Some of the big dinner cruise boats are just the opposite - aggressive, entitled, and unfriendly.


It all boils down to what you said..."As a boater I feel its my responsibility to avoid any type of collision"
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One thing for sure is that kayaks and standup paddleboards are the fastest-growing sectors of the boating market, so they are here to stay. And, as with any other craft, there will be some responsible, well-equipped kayakers, and some not so much.
Definitely. I think most of the issues brought up in this thread are only due to ignorance. I hope some of the funds raised by the new waterway access permit go towards education.

Last edited by Snopro; 08-20-2019 at 12:21 PM.
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