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Old 08-17-2012, 08:58 AM   #61
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Like I've said a gazillion times. the posted speed is not the speed limit. The actual speed limit is based on many things, mostly by who is in charge of that stretch of road and the prevailing conditions. Big difference in driving ten over in a school zone or residential area and the freeway where the posted speed is 65+.

In many cases, the flow of traffic dictates the actual speed limit when it exceeds the posted speed. When the posted speed is 65 and the flow of traffic is 75, the police are looking for those going faster than the prevailing speed. Many times their radar is set to alert the officer of those cars going 15 or so over the posted speed, those cars exceeding the prevailing speed. At the same time, a driver not keeping up with the flow is probably more dangerous than those exceeding the prevailing speed. The faster car is getting out of the way of those drivers around them while the slower cars are in everyone's way.

From a safety standpoint and also being courteous to those drivers around you, the prevailing speed is the correct speed without reguard to the posted speed. Inconsistency creates unsafe conditions.

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Drive to the right and let them pass, what harm does that do to you? If LE thinks they are driving unsafely they will get ticketed. IT IS NOT UP TO US to inforce the unjustifably slow speed set in many places. Most of our freeways in rural parts of our state can be driven safely at speeds in excess of 80mph but I rarely drive faster than 75mph, 70mph on HW 97. There are place and times when the posted speed limit is unsafe.

BTW, any of you impeders ever hear of the Basic Rule?
I thought VBR's were a thing of the past. Haven't heard of anyone getting a ticket for VBR in a long time. Courts had too hard of a time with it...too much left up to interpretation and judgement calls.
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Like I've said a gazillion times. the posted speed is not the speed limit. The actual speed limit is based on many things, mostly by who is in charge of that stretch of road and the prevailing conditions. Big difference in driving ten over in a school zone or residential area and the freeway where the posted speed is 65+.

In many cases, the flow of traffic dictates the actual speed limit when it exceeds the posted speed. When the posted speed is 65 and the flow of traffic is 75, the police are looking for those going faster than the prevailing speed. Many times their radar is set to alert the officer of those cars going 15 or so over the posted speed, those cars exceeding the prevailing speed. At the same time, a driver not keeping up with the flow is probably more dangerous than those exceeding the prevailing speed. The faster car is getting out of the way of those drivers around them while the slower cars are in everyone's way.

From a safety standpoint and also being courteous to those drivers around you, the prevailing speed is the correct speed without reguard to the posted speed. Inconsistency creates unsafe conditions.

Well then I want a refund for that speeding ticket I got when I was the last car in a line of cars going 65 in a 55 on the coast. Because I was just keeping up with the flow of traffic.
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Maniacmikey: Yea, I got one of those around McMinville when there was that mandatory 55 everywhere rule to conserve gasoline. I was last in line and he caught me going one over what the prevailing speed was. They were going 64, I was going 65. Had been following them for quite some distance.

Despite what I've posted here, I sometimes find the prevailing speed to be a bit faster than what I want to drive and do move to the "slow(er)" lane(s). I don't normally drive my truck over 68/69 in order to keep the mileage within reason but if I have to speed up to get out of someone's way, I will.

I do some driving out of state where the posted speed is 70 and above but it's rare that I'll actually drive that fast. I will do it to be courteous to those around me but kick it back once I'm in the clear.

I don't know how many of you drive I-84 eastbound through Portland but you'll find folks doing all sorts of speeds, from 45 to 75. The biggest problems are those driving less than the prevailing speed. It makes for some dangerous situations, just as bad as those going 75.

I'm 66 years old, I have never gotten a speeding ticket, I always drive up to five over the posted speed except where the posted speed is 25 or less.
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Dont mean to be a smart a__, but where exactly is the fast lane between Salem and Tigard? Traveled that stretch of road often and never seen anything posted "fast lane"
I have seen it posted "slower traffic keep right" but apparently I am the only one that see those signs or cares to pay attention to them. Nothing worse than someone sitting in the left lane at 62 mph cause traffic to fight to get around them - you are a traffic hazard if you do this and you do cause wrecks.
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Not nesasassarly so in eastern Oregon, you can be ticked for speeding even if you are below the posted speed limit if the conditions warent it, see the Basic Rule. You can also semi legaly drive 70mph (75mph in some places) in eastern Oregon in a posted 55 zone if the road conditions make it safe. Most of the time 70mph is a good and safe speed on HW 97. On some parts of HW 140 70mph can be crazy.

Nevada has the same law, I believe its called the Nevada rule!!
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Not arguing that fact. Merely that you CAN be cited for one mile an hour over the limit.

Oh I would have sooooo much fun with the cop that wrote me a ticket for doing 1 mile over!!!!!
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Well then I want a refund for that speeding ticket I got when I was the last car in a line of cars going 65 in a 55 on the coast. Because I was just keeping up with the flow of traffic.

Shoulda hired a lawyer!!!!!
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Agree - now take 1000 cars with different speeds and impose a difference in speed by having big trucks travel at one speed and cars at a higher speed. No wonder everyone gets excited that someone is or is not doing the speed limit. Can get frustrating.

I found it interesting that with my GPS - It would suggest my car runs 3-4 MPH slower. To achieve 65 on GOS I have to run 68-69. Big difference when you think you are doing the speed limit.

Personally I think people should have to pass a driving test to be allowed to drive on freeways. Like we use to have drivers license restrictions for automatic transmissions.


[QUOTE=KingFisher85;4230230]Federal law states that for car manufactures, cars or trucks speedos must be within +/- 5 or 7MPH (I don't remember).
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Oh I would have sooooo much fun with the cop that wrote me a ticket for doing 1 mile over!!!!!
first of all I never heard of a 1 MPH over speeding ticket unless it involved unsafe conditions.

But just what sort of "fun" are your referring to? Maybe getting him some badly needed overtime to go to court and testify? Who loses that one? You guys who always beat the "bad cop" crack me up!

the loss of the fine doesn't come out of his pocket in case you think otherwise. And few lose any sleep over lost traffic cases.

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For you "get a lawyer" guys. I watched a lawyer fight his own ticket in court. The judge had a huge smile as he's said "guilty"
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Sure. The speed limit applies to you and you are the only one you need to worry about unless you are carrying a badge and a gun.

Thanks, Crabbait, but I was kinda asking that of SilverSalmon77.

I don't know if its the time and way I was brought up or because I'm female...I never get over being a little shocked when people think the laws don't apply to them. That's why I asked the question...WHO does it apply to?

Actually, Crab...people violating the speed laws CAN affect me. I don't worry about it but I sure as heck better be driving VERY defensively. I don't know how many times I have to brake because someone thinks he/she MUST be in front of the pack and they're darting in and out.
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My point was that the only car you can control is the one you are driving. Yes, the law applies to everyone but only the guys with the badge and guns should be attempting to enforce it.

Instead, some people get very upset when they follow the law to the letter and other people go faster than they do. They decide to find a nice truck to pace in the left lane so that no one can disobey the law they have decided to enforce. Add a hot-head with somewhere to be and we have a road rage incident.
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My point was that the only car you can control is the one you are driving. Yes, the law applies to everyone but only the guys with the badge and guns should be attempting to enforce it.

Instead, some people get very upset when they follow the law to the letter and other people go faster than they do. They decide to find a nice truck to pace in the left lane so that no one can disobey the law they have decided to enforce. Add a hot-head with somewhere to be and we have a road rage incident.
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The goal is to never be the last in line on a "keeping up with the flow of traffic". You are the primary target.

I was 200 yds back and still got it. Little hard to justify keeping up with trafix

I have been pulled over for 1 mPH over the speed limit - not ticketed.
It was 2:00AM and he wante to make sure I understood the speed limit

Between Salem and POrtland - the slow lane is usually faster than fighting all the people in the fast lane.

If it is peak time - the road west of I-5 between Salem and Beaverton is much more relaxing and time is about the same.


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Well then I want a refund for that speeding ticket I got when I was the last car in a line of cars going 65 in a 55 on the coast. Because I was just keeping up with the flow of traffic.

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For you "get a lawyer" guys. I watched a lawyer fight his own ticket in court. The judge had a huge smile as he's said "guilty"

sounds like a great lawyer
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Personally I think people should have to pass a driving test to be allowed to drive on freeways. Like we use to have drivers license restrictions for automatic transmissions.

I drive daily for the work I am in, I can be from Southern Oregon to Spokane Washington anytime. And with the amount of time I am on the road driving I have realized how careless the everyday driver is, I agree with this on the freeways 100%. Especially with automobile drivers.
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My point was that the only car you can control is the one you are driving. Yes, the law applies to everyone but only the guys with the badge and guns should be attempting to enforce it.

Instead, some people get very upset when they follow the law to the letter and other people go faster than they do. They decide to find a nice truck to pace in the left lane so that no one can disobey the law they have decided to enforce. Add a hot-head with somewhere to be and we have a road rage incident.
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My favorite drivers are the ones that treat their GPS like it is a voice from God fast lane to off ramp in 50 ft with no signal.

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Like I've said a gazillion times. the posted speed is not the speed limit. The actual speed limit is based on many things, mostly by who is in charge of that stretch of road and the prevailing conditions. Big difference in driving ten over in a school zone or residential area and the freeway where the posted speed is 65+.

In many cases, the flow of traffic dictates the actual speed limit when it exceeds the posted speed. When the posted speed is 65 and the flow of traffic is 75, the police are looking for those going faster than the prevailing speed. Many times their radar is set to alert the officer of those cars going 15 or so over the posted speed, those cars exceeding the prevailing speed. At the same time, a driver not keeping up with the flow is probably more dangerous than those exceeding the prevailing speed. The faster car is getting out of the way of those drivers around them while the slower cars are in everyone's way.

From a safety standpoint and also being courteous to those drivers around you, the prevailing speed is the correct speed without reguard to the posted speed. Inconsistency creates unsafe conditions.
That is an amazing point of view!
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Instead, some people get very upset when they follow the law to the letter and other people go faster than they do. They decide to find a nice truck to pace in the left lane so that no one can disobey the law they have decided to enforce. Add a hot-head with somewhere to be and we have a road rage incident.
So why is the law-abiding citizen the bad guy and you give the " hot-head with somewhere to be" a pass?
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Why are cars allowed to go over the speed limit? Why not build them with GPS that would not let a vehicle exceed the limit based on location?
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Like I've said a gazillion times. the posted speed is not the speed limit. The actual speed limit is based on many things, mostly by who is in charge of that stretch of road and the prevailing conditions. Big difference in driving ten over in a school zone or residential area and the freeway where the posted speed is 65+.

In many cases, the flow of traffic dictates the actual speed limit when it exceeds the posted speed. When the posted speed is 65 and the flow of traffic is 75, the police are looking for those going faster than the prevailing speed. Many times their radar is set to alert the officer of those cars going 15 or so over the posted speed, those cars exceeding the prevailing speed. At the same time, a driver not keeping up with the flow is probably more dangerous than those exceeding the prevailing speed. The faster car is getting out of the way of those drivers around them while the slower cars are in everyone's way.

From a safety standpoint and also being courteous to those drivers around you, the prevailing speed is the correct speed without reguard to the posted speed. Inconsistency creates unsafe conditions.
oregon.gov site has this definition;

The Basic Rule

All travel on public streets and highways is subject to the Basic Speed Rule. The Basic Speed Rule states that a motorist must drive at a speed that is reasonable and prudent at all times by considering other traffic, road and weather conditions, dangers at intersections and any other conditions that affect safety and speed. In other words, drivers are expected to use good judgment in selecting their speed.

The Basic Speed Rule does not authorize a driver to exceed the posted speed. If a motorist is charged with violation of the basic speed rule, the posted speed becomes the primary evidence that he/she exceeded the Basic Speed Rule. In this case, it would be up to the motorist to prove that he/she was driving in a reasonable and prudent manner for the conditions.

A person can also drive below the posted speed and violate the Basic Speed Rule. For instance, if there is ice or snow on the roadway, a driver can be traveling less than the speed posted and still be traveling faster than is reasonable and prudent for the conditions.
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I guess I've never really noticed that before. Probably because I drive like my granny and hold everyone up too.

So that was YOU on Thursday on Highway 20 going out to Newport
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L:ike the idea
Not sure I would want something built into my car thta gives big government and insurance companies somethign that watches over you

But I do Like having a GPS that gives me my current speed and posted speed. I have one car that is going 5-6 MPH another 3-4 slower than speedometer -says. It would be nice if there was a std where everyone is driving to the same std ( GPS speed)

If you have ever tried to drive the speed limit on most Oregon highways - you will find yourself alone or pxvving off people. Maybe we should become more realistic about what speed limits should be.


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L:ike the idea
Not sure I would want something built into my car thta gives big government and insurance companies somethign that watches over you

But I do Like having a GPS that gives me my current speed and posted speed. I have one car that is going 5-6 MPH another 3-4 slower than speedometer -says. It would be nice if there was a std where everyone is driving to the same std ( GPS speed)

If you have ever tried to drive the speed limit on most Oregon highways - you will find yourself alone or pxvving off people. Maybe we should become more realistic about what speed limits should be.
I wonder if no matter what the posted speed is, majority will exceed it anyway. I'm thinking the key to the whole driving issue is COURTESY for others on the road. That's been discussed on other threads regarding driving. Courtesy seems to be lost in our society.

Boy, have we drifted from the original OP's intent. Sorry, OP, but it's been an interesting hijack.
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Do not know - I think the majority want to do a reasonable speed limit. The issue is what is reasonable

I think in areas like Salem to POrtland they really could spend some time pulling people over for going slow and impeding traffic in the far left lane. Educate them on "Slower traffic use right lane".

It helps having a state and cities that focus on moving traffic , expanding lanes, creating loops to move traffic around congestion areas. Eliminating bottle necks vs focusing on mass transit and bicycle.We have 75 MPH on all freeways outside major metro area - which is 65.
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So why is the law-abiding citizen the bad guy and you give the " hot-head with somewhere to be" a pass?
The "law abiding citizen" stopped being law abiding when he decided to be the self-righteous judge, jury and enforcer of the speed limit.

And who said I gave the speeder a pass? He will get his when he buzzes past the unmarked stater a half mile further down the road. If he is driving outrageously you can help him along with a little phone call (let your passenger do it).

I takes two to make a road rage incident. Rolling road-blockers are no better than speeders.
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I kept thinking this thread would fall off the front page. It hasn't, so I thought I'd add my two cents.

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From crabbait: I takes two to make a road rage incident. Rolling road-blockers are no better than speeders.

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There are two issues here:

1. Speeding
2. Impeding

Both are illegal and one is not more illegal than the other. Impeding traffic is defined in Oregon as the following:

(1) A person commits the offense of impeding traffic if the person drives a motor vehicle or a combination of motor vehicles in a manner that impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. (811.130)

Impeding dovetails with 811.315 "Failure of slow driver to drive on right" - you commit this offense if you are operating a vehicle at less than the normal speed of traffic and are not doing it in the right-hand lane.

Note that "normal speed of traffic" does not mean the speed limit. You can still impede and fail to follow 811.315 by driving the speed limit in the left lanes.

Again, neither is more or less illegal than the other... except that by impeding the flow of traffic you might also be breaking 811.315
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Ha ha - To bring it back to the OP's intent (perhaps) I wonder if a case could be made that an officer is impeding the flow of traffic simply by being on the road, since everyone around him or her slows down and won't pass.
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Yeah, but I think there is a big difference between "can't pass" and "won't pass". Good point.


Aside: Here in Costa Rica there are several different branches of law enforcement. The white "patrol" cars are after criminals, they don't enforce traffic law, that is left to the blue cars, the "transitos". There are also walking police officers that are there to help the touristas and maintain order on the street. They don't do traffic either.

All of the new police cars were a gift from China, hundreds of them. When they got the cars several years ago there was a rash of accidents involving police cars. To stem this and to bring more attention to the police presence, they are encouraged to drive around with their red and blue lights on.

At first it is a little disconcerting when a police car rolls up behind you with the lights on and you ignore it. You get more used to it as you see them with the lights on everywhere, like waiting in the McDonald's drive-thru with everything on but the siren.

(They didn't have a problem pulling over motorists before they got the new cop cars. They use little green cones and automatic weapons.)

Digression over.
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But I see more issues with people who feel entitled to drive below the spped limit in the center and fast lane between Salem and Tigard. They cause more issues than OSP.
Yeah, no kidding.. in my experience, most of the cars camped out in the fast lane are sporting Washington plates. Not saying that all WA drivers are doing this or anyone here does it, just my observation.
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When I was a civil servant, as a general rule with exceptions, I would not stop a car on 26 unless it was going at least 10 over. But after dark I would and that was just to see if I could find anything else. If they were clean I gave them a warning and let them go. I took a class given by the states head traffic engineer. He said most of the h-ways in Oregon are built to handle traffic safely at 80MPH. It was also proven that slower drivers cause more crashes than fast drivers. They are obstacles in the way that cause an unexpected change in the flow of traffic.

I have received a citation for driving 3MPH over in a 25 in Forest Grove and one for going 6 over in a 35, that one was in Verboort. I have been let go with a warning for going 20 over in a 55.

Cops speed all the time. What dose this say about the speed limit? I don’t know the answer to that but if 99% of drivers are exceeding the posted limit and doing it safely then perhaps the limit is just too low.

My above statements are for highway traffic only.
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:51 AM   #95
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I had to deal with both sides yesterday.

Was headed down I5 in the left lane, was going about 72 (set my cruise control), was keeping a safe distance to a group of about 5 cars in from on me, we were passing all sorts of cars on the right 2 lanes when an SUV came up and starting riding a cars length behind me (all I saw was SUV grill in my mirror). As I was passing tons of cars on my right, there was no real chance to get over. Then the SUV jumped over (got closer than NASCAR) to the middle lane, then to the right lane, went about 90 and did another NASCAR move to the middle lane, then in front of me (again, had plenty of space between me and the next care to follow at a safe distance), and then he was stuck going 72 MPH again. He moved up 1 car space and put about 10-15 lives at risk doing it.

On my way back, I had the opposite. Was got in the left lane and a pickup was going 60 MPH in the left lane. Got to an open stretch, still wouldn't get over, so I had to pass on the right.

Not saying I am a perfect driver, and occasionally don't do things wrong. But these are the 2 extreme cases that I think everyone is getting heated about. Just be aware of what is going on around you, and don't feel like one car length is worth driving like a maniac.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:05 AM   #96
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Simple solution be a decent human being drive the speed limit ( speeding is in fact wrong to do)
Keep right except to pass....

If I am going the speed limit in the left lane and am passing other cars and you come flying up behind me it is not my responsibility to get out of your way it is your responsibility to not travel faster than the posted speed limit but rest assured when I am done passing I will get over..
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A little off subject, but to my Southern Marion County friends. You got to love I-5 Northbound on the weekend
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:08 AM   #98
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"I took a class given by the states head traffic engineer. He said most of the h-ways in Oregon are built to handle traffic safely at 80MPH. It was also proven that slower drivers cause more crashes than fast drivers. They are obstacles in the way that cause an unexpected change in the flow of traffic."

That is a pretty interesting comment coming form the states head traffic engineer especially considering that there is 2 different speed limits posted on I-5. 65 mph for auto and 55 mph for trucks. Why would they purposely have 2 different speed limits?
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"I took a class given by the states head traffic engineer. He said most of the h-ways in Oregon are built to handle traffic safely at 80MPH. It was also proven that slower drivers cause more crashes than fast drivers. They are obstacles in the way that cause an unexpected change in the flow of traffic."

That is a pretty interesting comment coming form the states head traffic engineer especially considering that there is 2 different speed limits posted on I-5. 65 mph for auto and 55 mph for trucks. Why would they purposely have 2 different speed limits?
I took the class. I did not give it.
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"I took a class given by the states head traffic engineer. He said most of the h-ways in Oregon are built to handle traffic safely at 80MPH. It was also proven that slower drivers cause more crashes than fast drivers. They are obstacles in the way that cause an unexpected change in the flow of traffic."

That is a pretty interesting comment coming form the states head traffic engineer especially considering that there is 2 different speed limits posted on I-5. 65 mph for auto and 55 mph for trucks. Why would they purposely have 2 different speed limits?

Probably to match stopping distances in an emergency stop.
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Headscratcher:

Roads engineered for 80 MPH. Speed limit 55 or 65.

Faster speed = more fuel consumption.

More fuel consumption = more revenue from gas taxes for state.

Why wouldn't they allow the higher speeds if it means more revenue?
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:26 PM   #102
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Roads are engineered for 80 mph.

Most drivers are not.


IMO, if you're going 631 mph in the left lane and someone approaches you from behind, you should slide over to the right, let them be on their way at 695 mph, then move left again if you need to.

It's not hard to find space to slide over if you use the slanty pedal on the right.

It's just courtesy. You don't have to be courteous...........but why wouldn't you be?
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Roads are engineered for 80 mph.
Most drivers are not.
That is why people need to be trained and qualified to drive on freeways like they do in some countries. The traiing would be acquired through private companies who would train and certify.

Then LEO enforce the laws heavily.
Do not know how many times I have seen peopel putting on make up, shaving, or reading books driving in the wrong lane.

I bet you that would open up the freeways - I bet most would fail or be ticketed.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:05 PM   #104
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straight from the state the speed limit is dependent on the road conditions and you can get a ticket for going the speed limit if it is warranted. that being said there are more times than not that i am going past the officer at 5 over while trying to avoid those breaking and pulling into the right lane.
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