Lab Pup Colors

FishinTechnician · 12-18-2003, 09:34 PM

After that discussion some weeks ago about factoring in Lab parents some might find my experience with my new litter to be interesting. Bred my black female for the second time to the same black male. The first litter produced eight pups including three yellows, one chocolate and four blacks. Well last night she came in with five yellows, one chocolate and only one black. Mother and pups are all doing fine. No runts in the batch. Watch for them in the coming Ifish classifieds, or send me an email if you are interested in particulars on a pup from trained, hunted and healthy parents, that despite skeptics, will come to the whistle and be retrieving by seven weeks.

Flatfish · 12-18-2003, 09:42 PM

The dog is from Castle Rock.

Did you ever breed "Scotts Feather Express"-Jake- to "Midnight Mountain Mattea"?

Would have been in '96.

Mark and the now you know his parents dog.

FishinTechnician · 12-19-2003, 08:42 AM

No, neither dog is from Castle Rock. My female is from Diamond R Kennels in Montana and the male is from Deep Run Retievers in Goldvein, VA. The male is part owned by Jack Jagoda, the President of the North American Hunting Retriever Assoc. (NAHRA), who also trains out of the VA kennel. This was an artificial insemination...long distance breeding done in Ranier, OR. How's that for space age dog breeding?

Beaver93 · 12-19-2003, 09:12 AM

Jack Jagoda played Santa Claus on Water Dog last week, it was very good.

I hope I have this right...

Lab genetics for colors is very interesting. There are two different factors determining color. One factor is whether the dog will be light (yellow) or dark (chcolate or Black). If a dog is destined to be dark, then the next factor is color, Black or chocolate. Keep in mind the dark allele is dominant, and the color allele for Black is dominant.

DD = Dark, (chocolate or Black)
dd = light or yellow

Say you get four pups from this breeding:

DD x dd = Dd, Dd, Dd, and Dd.

In aother words, all are dark dogs in this generation. For simplicity's sake lets say this generation has a breeding of two of the dogs:

Dd x Dd = DD, Dd, dD, and dd

We get three darks and a yellow.

Is everyone bored yet? Now, add this little wrinkle, all dark dogs carry a gene for chocolate (b) or Black (B). Black is the domiant gene. So, how did your litter turn out all different colors? Well, the parents both looked like this:

DdBb x DdBb

ddbb = yellow
Ddbb = chocolate
DDbb = chocolate
DdBb = Black
DDBb = Black
DdBB = Black
DDBB = Black

You've all hung in there to hear the moral of this story:

Dark (Black or chocolate) is dominant to light (yellow) and Black is dominant to chocolate. Black dogs are better! :grin:

Corey

FishinTechnician · 12-19-2003, 12:39 PM

Wow, that's some pretty heavy stuff, Corey. Color isn't really important anyway. The background and health of the parent dogs is everything and these pups are starting out with the right stuff in that department. I can't wait till they get their eyes open and start moving around a little and investigating everything new. Right now its all eat and sleep. We have them in a whelping box in the garage and the wife and I will spend hours everyday just watching them.

Tilla · 12-19-2003, 05:58 PM

Jagoda

NAHRA

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Beaver93 · 12-22-2003, 06:26 AM

Shotshell,

Who did the insemination?

Corey

deschutes2 · 12-23-2003, 10:52 AM

Shotshell,

Out of curiosity, what the names of the sire and dam to your female? I have a ylf from Diamond R was curious if they are from the same parents. How old is she?

Deschutes2

FishinTechnician · 12-23-2003, 08:53 PM

Corey, the vet clinic is Valley Veterinary in Ranier, OR. I took Hannah in on what I thought was the seventh day after she started spotting and the clinic did a blood test and a heat smear to determine where she was in her heat cycle. The smear indicated we were early so I took her back in two days and the smear showed her to be very near her optimum time for breeding. I got the semen here in a little over 24 hrs and the clinic handled the procedure. I was very impressed with the Drs. Plummer and Duvall that were involved.

Deschuttes2, the Sire was Diamond R Honest Abe (blk) son of FC AFC Coot's Black Kruggerand and the Dam was Diamond R Pajama Party Girl(ylw). Hannah was six this month. She has been everything I ever wanted in a waterfowl dog. She was very easy to train and I did it while I was still working. In her first year I was away all week and home only on weekends. How has your dog panned out?