Pheasant Farm/breeder around Salem

Capin' Dan · 12-15-2003, 05:09 AM

Anyone know who the Pheasant breeder/farm is around the Salem area a little east of Salem. I'm looking for some birds for dog training and don't really want to go to one of the release farms.

Bait Bucket · 12-15-2003, 05:54 AM

There might be something here for you:

http://www.shotgunsports.com/breeders/boregon.htm

Tilla · 12-15-2003, 09:06 AM

I go to Estacada Gamebirds. There is one guy in the area that raises them in that Salem area,but most of the breeders are currently in between seasons.I can find out for you
Not to rain on the parade, but there are some interesting game laws you might or might not be interested in.
Pigeons are the only bird that can be released. Unless you are licensed. In other words stay away from the road.
How did the event go on Sunday, I was out there Sat.

periwinkle · 12-15-2003, 09:11 PM

Tilla.......Is that just an Oregon law?? I've used Bob Whites and Chukar for training my GWP, and some of them got away. :grin: It takes 3 hands to load those nasty lil buggers in a bird release. Of course I never missed any shots

I always figured they would never survive a W. WA. winter anyway..

Capin' Dan · 12-15-2003, 09:53 PM

Yea I know about he laws thanks for the info though. The birds I'm getting are toe clipped and will be used on private property. I plan on using them for dog training/sport.

I have 20 of them reserved.

Tilla · 12-15-2003, 10:55 PM

Uh, let me just state this again.
You cannot release any gamebirds (Pheasant or Ducks specifically that I researched) in the state of Oregon unless-
1. You are a licensed game preserve.
2. You have a permit to hold a Licensed Field Trial.
I didn't make this stuff up.
They can be banded, clipped, carry clearance papers, passports and passed a drug test, but you may not release them ANYWHERE, anyhow even if you are a good shot and can guarantee they will be dead within 25 feet!
For verification e-mail Brad Bales and/or his Upland counterpart and they will be quite clear. (I got a letter, no a folder somewhere)
Now, this doesn't mean everyone knows about it or enforces it because it is pretty common. And I am sure it's a real gray area and the ODFW are pretty sensitive about it.
Just a tip, don't have a bunch of yahoo's with guns standing around the bird cages alongside a public thoroughfare.

Capin' Dan · 12-17-2003, 04:30 AM

Yea I guess I'm a rebel on this. Sometimes this type of law is just B. S. What we do on private land with our on property shouldn't be a concern of the state. I have been doing this for over 10 years training dogs ect...
we get away with it at the hunt test that is sanctioned by the AKC without a state permit for Ducks, chucker, quail ect... Even when we do our training days which are not AKC sanctioned.
This is just our government at its finest trying to strong arm its people. I'll just call this a training day and leave it at that.

Thanks for the concern though Tilla. I did email the odfw and get there rules so that at least the club will be legal next year.

Dan!

[ 12-17-2003, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: Capin' Dan ]

Lured In · 12-17-2003, 07:52 AM

Tilla...I thought I remember hearing something about being able to use chukars on the westside as they are not considered 'gamebirds' in the valley. This is also why you can hunt chukars year round at places like metro pheasants.

FishOrDie · 12-17-2003, 12:41 PM

Try Shank's Hatchery in Hubbard, I know they have various other typs of Pheasant, quail, ducks, and chickens. I am sure they would have chukar too, or at least they could tell you where to go. There listing is in the phone book. I would put the info up but they are not an Ifish sponsor, sorry.

They Do have Chukar - Go to Google and type in Shanks hatchery hubbard and there website with pricelists and breed listings is in there.

FOD

Spooney · 12-24-2003, 06:41 PM

I thought I heard someone who knew someone that read an article about a guy that thought you could conduct dog training at CP Adair all year long.

Fishful Thinkin' · 12-27-2003, 09:22 PM

Under current law live birds can only be taken during a licensed competitive trail, with a scientific collection permit, or within a licensed hunting preserve. So if it is licensed dog event you are covered. Outside of that, current law gives no authorization for taking of birds outside the normal hunting seasons. The Attorney General has also ruled that all birds, even those raised in captivity, are considered game birds and all statutes related to game birds apply. We are currently working on some rules to try to allow a permitting process for individuals to use birds for training outside of the regular hunting seasons. But in most cases laws pertaining to these issues are legislative statutes and we have no authority to change them. New dog training rules should be released sometime in early 2! 004 for public comment.

There it is strait from Brad Bales ODFW, Dictator of Oregon telling us what we can and can't do with our own property on Private property. What a crock!!!!!!!

Tilla · 12-28-2003, 07:56 AM

Fortunately Brad is one of the few that knows this law.

STGRule · 12-28-2003, 10:48 AM

Boy, how dare they tell you they don't want birds that may spread disease and inferior genetics along to the wild birds. After all, there aren't any of those species on your property now, the birds surely won't move off your property, the diseases can't possibly be transmitted to any other indigenous species, right? After all, with all the experience they've had with hatchery/wild fish interactions they should really know better.

Since they have never had a problem with cervid introduction in the whole history of transplanting why would they think that any ole backyard biologist would not know what the heck they are doing. When was the last time they ever had a problem with exotic species out-competing native species and causing trouble? After all, "its my property".

Fishful Thinkin' · 12-28-2003, 09:19 PM

stgrule as usually your mouth opens and sewage runs out. How about getting some facts and back it up with scientific data for once. You know nothing of the birds or the farms they come from. Pheasants aren't even from this area they were planted here years ago. they are not even present up where I live. It isn't unlawful to release birds in this state. As a matter of fact I believe the state releases thousands of birds each year it just goes to show what you know or don't know for that fact. there are neumerous pay to hunt operations that release birds in areas that have lots of wild birds already and this practice isn't frowned upon. Your way off on this one and I think you are off on the fish also. Yes we have proven that wild fish have a higher survival rate but where would we be with out our hatchery fish. At home watching Bill Dance thats where. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

Tilla · 12-28-2003, 10:18 PM

The rules have nothing to do with disease or inferior genetics. They do not address disease or genetics when issueing the permits.
I can get the same birds the state does (low bidder

).
Those guys at ODFW are standing on thin ice with these rules. This is why they are going to be changed.
Example: You raise Pheasants to feed your family..technically you may only harvest those birds according to the game bird regulations. And they cannot be released! HUH? [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]
I hate to get technical with a Turkey grower right now!
Oh, and my degree is in Biology.

STGRule · 12-29-2003, 06:51 AM

Fishful Thinkin': Some more "sewage" for ya.
Tilla: It actually does have to do with disease and genetics.

Quote:

A Wildlife Integrity Task Group (Task Group) was appointed to assist the Department as it developed draft administrative rules. The Task Group is comprised of representatives of the Oregon Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, veterinarians, wildlife biologists, wildlife breeders, the pet trade industry, conservation organizations, Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission, Oregon State Police, Oregon Health Division, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Oregon Farm Bureau, the Humane Society, and exotic species clubs. It met six times between 1994 and 1996.

The Task Group provided information to the Department about nonnative species and brought forward concerns of the groups and agencies they represent. They reviewed rules of other states as well as scientific and popular literature on this subject. The Task Group also made recommendations as to how the Department could address potential problems.

The Task Group recommended that nonnative species be categorized based on their potential to harm native wildlife. Three categories were recommended: Prohibited, Controlled and Noncontrolled. Species or groups of species were placed in one of these categories by the Task Group. Criteria used to determine which category a species was put into included their potential for:

1. Introduction of disease or parasites to native wildlife,
2. Interbreeding (hybridization) with native wildlife,
3. Competition for habitat with native wildlife,
4. Degradation of habitat of native wildlife, and/or
5. Predation on native wildlife.

Pheasants, Grouse, & Quail Phasianidae
(inc. Tetranidae & Meleagrididae)
All spp. (105 spp.)
except 6 native spp., and
Gallus gallus, Meleagris
gallopavo, & Pavo cristatus
All nonnative spp. CONTROLLED
except Gallus gallus, Meleagris
gallopavo, & Pavo cristatus =
DOMESTIC
1997

Tilla · 12-29-2003, 08:54 AM

The current permit system does not address these issues. The licensing does not specify orgin of the birds, nor does it even acknowledge federally approved bird breeding facilities.

It deals with non-natives (Pheasants), natives (Mallards), and ignores Rock Doves (Pigeons). So I am not sure where they are going with that. Should there be a system in place?....sure why not. But the current system is embarrassing to the ODFW because it is poorly written and unenforced (in general).
I fail to see where this task group is specifically related to this issue.

James in Idaho · 12-30-2003, 12:53 PM

Over here in the backwoods of Idaho we're supposed to get a "dog training permit" which allows us to shoot farm raised birds. Seems pretty simple.

STG Rule, I'm not sure you understand how retriever trainers use birds. We're not "stocking" an area and hoping to shoot a bird. We take the bird from the crate, toss it in the air, and shoot it. Very few are ever missed, and pen raised birds don't really fly all that well. Often (but never at AKC events) if pigeons are used, the wing is broken first to prevent flyaways. This is a training situation, we don't like "no-birds". Chukar are the worst, those red legged devils will fly any which way. A good "arm" can put ducks/pigeons/and usually pheasants in the same general area for a shooter. But you can still keep your crown!! ; )