Chocolate and yellow breeding

tag-a-long · 11-13-2003, 06:27 AM

I am getting ready to let my chocolate breed with my sister-in-laws yellow. They both have great pedigrees. Buck comes from Merganser stock. He has alot of yellow and choc in his pedigree. Maddie has a good bit of yellow and black in hers. What are the chances for chocolate pups???

Also, for you breeders, what is standard fee for stud??? Pick of the litter??

Thanks for any advice in advance!!!!

Boedy · 11-13-2003, 07:15 AM

Should get all three colors I would think. Are ether dogs field titled? I have been a big fan of Merganser dogs for sometime. I have seen a few websites that show the formula for determining the color of a litter so let me see if I can find it again..

FishinTechnician · 11-13-2003, 07:36 AM

Its my understanding that predicting color is a crapshoot unless you do some gene screening and even then there are no guarantees. Its all in the "factoring". My last litter between two blacks, the male of which had both ylw and choc factoring produced a choc, three ylws and four blacks. Also had a choc and ylw pairing and got ten blacks. You figure it! I have discussed with a vet the prospects of getting ylw pups out of black parents that are ylw factored and she said on the average you can expect about 20% of the other factored color, in this case yellow. She was right as that particular litter produced two ylws out of ten pups. It will be interesting to see what you get, not knowing what kind of factoring you have. Stud fee in my experience can run from $350 to $800 in good dogs. I've never paid more than $500 and that dog was a GMHR, 1000pt NAHRA dog. You get what you pay for. Some are way over priced. Same old story...buyer beware! I hope you had the hips and eyes checked on the Dam and Sire.

ry · 11-13-2003, 09:10 AM

My mother bread her yellow to a chocolate and got 11 blacks, not what she wanted, so the they went cheap without papers $125.- the dam and sire are papered.

Rueben4life · 11-13-2003, 10:47 AM

Here is the site you are looking for! The most complete punnent square I believe you will find for labs ever!

www.labbies.com/genetics.htm

tag-a-long · 11-13-2003, 03:00 PM

Neither are field titled... I got Buck from Tyee Tom here on ifish last year. He is a great dog, and will bring it back all day... He doesn't much care to hear the gun...

Thanks Rueben for the site...

[ 11-14-2003, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: tag-a-long ]

Capin' Dan · 11-15-2003, 10:17 PM

It is a crap shoot unless you have done the gene testing which will cost you $85 per kit. Then it can be fairly accurate.

As lab breeders we usually try to avoid a yellow and chocolate breding. It creates light eyes, Light colors in the chocolates and in some cases a silver lab which isn't an accepted color for the bred.

Ask yourself why this breeding? What does it have to offer? If you go with a known and respected stud you will be able to place your pups easier.

Whoops I'll get off my soap box.

Bottom line do a search on genetics and it will give you a color chart that may work.

Remember your chocoalte could be a BB even though he is a chocolate. The yellow will be a Y. I would probably say you will get all three colors hopefully three of each.

Dan

Birdnest · 11-16-2003, 09:33 AM

A little off topic, but there are some smart lab folks here. My choc(2.5 years old) has blown both of her stifle joints (11/02 & 7/03). Is there any predictors for weak cruciate ligaments? Sorry to derail.

Joe

tag-a-long · 11-17-2003, 06:16 AM

Cap'n Dan,
as for the breeding, my sis in law wants to breed her yellow before she has her fixed. She was wrong, and she isn't coming into heat yet, but I do have some good info about breeding Buck. Thanks...