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Old 10-27-2005, 06:34 AM   #1
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Default Bass, vs. steelhead salmon, sturgeon...

This bugs me. I don't know if this is the place to discuss it, but why is it so difficult to get shows on in our area that promote our sports?

Why is bass so popular, has so much money behind it, etc?

We have so much trouble getting shows to air for us to watch. Why is bass so easy to produce?

I just don't get it, and have to ask. Do the same sponsors that back bass shows refuse to back our shows and why? Do we not have as big of an audience? Is that all?

I'm honestly confused, here and want to know!!!

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Old 10-27-2005, 06:35 AM   #2
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Because when they show bass fishing on tv, they for the most part, prehook their trophy bass with divers..

I would say that would be a difficult approach to salmon fish..
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:40 AM   #3
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Where did you get this info Zodiac? Sure you're not confused with "Fishing The West with Larry Shoenbourne(sp)".

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Old 10-27-2005, 06:40 AM   #4
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Jennie, I'll take a stab at this. IMO, steelhead and salmon are very regional, compared to bass. I'm not sure, however, that I would want that much more popularity for our region! BTW, I fish for ocean kings in Alaska, steelhead on the Clearwater in Idaho, smallmouth bass on the Flathead River in Montana, and even whitefish in Montana. So many fish, so little time...... :grin:
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:54 AM   #5
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A couple quick thoughts. There is a larger audience in the United States for bass fishing than the salmon/steelhead counterpart (this goes along what alanmikkelsen said), thus by virtue of this there is more money. Also, you cannot handle salmon/steelhead in the same manner as bass in a tournament, i.e. pulling them out of the water, shaking them, showing them off, and putting them in a livewell to be weighed live for all to see as not hurting the fish.
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:04 AM   #6
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Any <one> can catch a bass, Salmon and steelhead take skill.
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:49 AM   #7
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I guess that explains why it takes an <one> to get a TV show, tons of publicity and sponsers, and to have something that generates money hand over fist. Before you start calling people names, why don't you read the biography of Ray Scott and a few of the other founding fathers in the sport I think the word idiot would transform itself into genious.....

Jenny,
I think it is because the region we are in. It is the same with our hunting. You never see any programs about black tailed deer hunting in our area. Most of the lower 48 states have great numbers of bass and such in every river, lake, pond, and stream you can find. Bass fishing in states like Florida, Georgia, and Alabama is huge. You don't see the jet sleds there, what you see is millions of dollars in bass boats. I think we are just simply outnumbered and most of the United States could probably care a less about watching a sturgeon or spring salmon program just because that fishery is not accessible to them.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:00 AM   #8
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Sorry that is not the case. Fished to many tourie , wish I had a diver some times. ESPN has alot to do with it and I think they are going the wrong way. All the dance and shouting.....
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Ain't that the truth! Maybe that's why I fish for them?

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Old 10-27-2005, 09:05 AM   #11
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I'm not sure where you get your information but I would start finding it from somewhere else
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:10 AM   #12
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Jennie, I think the reason bass fishing shows are so popular is that it is so widespread. You can bass fish in almost every state in the nation. And depending on the area the style of fishing required to finesse them to bite is different. Don't get me wrong I am still trying to catch my first salmon and steelhead. My new motto is : in the words of Commander Taggart from Galaxy Quest "Never Give Up, Never Surrender!".
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:18 AM   #13
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I actually watched as the guy from Japan(?) landed a couple 4-5 pounders in the last few minutes of the tourni.then took first place.and won it ...
It was winter and I was despreate ...

Watching a guy battle a Bass is about as exciting as ,,NOT. Hi ho. id. p.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:30 AM   #14
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Why can't FSNW produce more shows for our area, is it money? I used to watch the show with Trey C. on sunday mornings at 9:30am, it doesn't seem to be on anymore. His fishing shows concentrated on the Pacific Northwest, even Detroit lake for kokanee.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:35 AM   #15
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I have caught plenty of bass in my time, but in no way does a king compare. My neighbor is from Indiana and has caught plenty of bass, I took him sturgoen fishing last month on the Columbia. His first fish was 20" and he told me that was the biggest fish that he had ever caught, he is 64!
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:35 AM   #16
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Bass fishing can be extremely exciting!! The problem is you see the tournament fishermen on alot of these shows that use a heavy rod and extra heavy line with the power high speed reels and bang fish on ... fish to the boat. It would be like fishing steelhead with your 80lb power pro and your sturgeon rod it would be bang fish on and youd drag it to the bank or boat and go hummm that wasn't very exciting. If you fish with the equipment to match the fishery then it can be very exciting. Some of the best fun I've ever had was catching 1/2 lb bluegill of the beds in the Tennessee River in Scottsboro, Alabama on a ultra light rod and reel with 4 lb test line using tiny rooster tail spinners.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:37 AM   #17
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I think bass fishing has a perception of being more of an "average Joe" type of fishery where salmon and steelhead has more of an elitist label. Bass are found in almost every state in the U.S. and can be caught (relatively easy) in many different types of water. Salmon and steelhead are limited to a few areas of the country. I would guess that most people who live in areas that don't have salmon would associate salmon fishing to Alaska and/or Canada. Fishing there costs alot of $$. I've seen a lot more fishing shows on t.v. that target walleye than salmon and steelhead.
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Old 10-27-2005, 09:46 AM   #18
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Very good point Luguando Bass fishing can be very inexpensive and is available in a very wide variety of waters. In Alabama many years ago I was bored one day and had very little time so I grabbed my rod out of the garage decided I would see if any fish were hiding in this little ditch near my home. It was barely 3 ft wide and about 2-4 ft deep in most spots but on my third cast of my red shad colored 7" culprit worm Bamm!! I landed a 3Lb largemouth bass. I released him back into a creek nearby and went back to home all happy.
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Any type of fishing is fun for me...but, fishing for bass is my favorite. I hate to watch those tounaments because they're more like extended commercials. I don't know of any bass fishermen who really fish like they do on TV...my friends and I use lighter gear, not the logging choker chains that seem to be so popular with the pro's.
I think of bass fishing like reggae music or sushi...you either love it or hate it.
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Maybe what we need is a Salmon Pro shop or a Sturgeon Pro shop in the Northwest.
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Old 10-27-2005, 10:45 AM   #21
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WOW! I must be <one>. I've been hooked on bass fishing since 1952 and I haven't learned it all yet. Wonder how long it takes for someone like me? :whazzup:
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ALmostPerfect is all over it. Said it perfect. Warm water fishing drives the national market and contributes the most money to the industry. It's like freaking NASCAR.
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My brother in law lives in Phoenix and is totally into "bassin". I was there in April and he took me out on a pre-tournament scout. We "sight" fished them during the spawn which consisted of dropping a worm jig on top of their head umpteen times until he was [petunias!] enough to bite it and then flip the little thing into the boat. I said man, you have got to come visit me in Oregon so I can show you what real fishing is all about.
That said, he recently won his first tournament.....prize was a brand new 20K+ bass boat.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:18 AM   #24
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In order to answer that question Jennie you need too understand were broadcasted television fishing shows have come from. One of the first fishing shows ever was broadcasted in 1963 in Springfield Missouri with Virgil Ward and Bud Iman, for the Missouri Conservation Commission. This was the spring board for his most of Virgil Wards largest accomplishment - the nationally syndicated Championship Fishing TV Show. He hosted the show for 25 years, 21 of which took the number one rating for fishing shows, according to the Nielsen and ARB rating services. One of those years the show placed number one over 400 syndicated shows - one of his proudest achievements.
Sponsors such as Johnny Morris of Bass Pro Shops, Forrest Wood of Ranger Boats and Sam Johnson of Johnson Worldwide Fishing/Johnson Wax, had a much closer relationship with Virgil than is expected with sponsors. They were actually friends.
As others have said Bass are more predominated threw out our country, easier to catch, and a lot cheaper to fish for. Nor do were have a world renowned Salmon Pro Shop backing such a television series.

Simply put : We do not have the kind of sponsored support that the Bass anglers do. The companies that supply our terminal tackle to us are not interested in sponsoring a local or national Salmon fishing show. As you know I tried to start a Education Fishing series to be released on HD DVD and VHS simply about fishing in the Pacific Northwest. The first one to be about Tuna fishing in on the Oregon Coast, The how tos from start to finish.. Ive even went to far as to start a patent on the idea.. With little to no backing Ive almost come to the conclusion that there just isnt an interest for such an animal..



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When is the last time the bass season was shut down due to a low return rate. A slot limit for bass?
I wonder how those bass would fare on an ocean migration.
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River liver ,,,,, say it aint soooo,,, :whazzup: .
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In the east and south, bass fishing is available to a lot of people in high density population areas within easy driving distance. You can catch fish without a lot of $ invested. Also, bass fishing does not have the complications: i.e. Bass fishers don't have to worry about if the commercials/indians have their nets in the water; the bass are always there not dependent on timing of runs; the fishing rules are less restrictive; a lot of those states have a fishing tradition and not all the anti fishing/hunting, granola eating, kayak padling, tree huggers we have.
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Jenny,

Largemouth Bass are a universal fish. They can be found in just about every state and in just about every country from ponds to lakes to streams. The are a very hardy fish.

They are also negatively affected by weather and water conditions more so than any other species, making them very difficult to consistently catch. It would probably be an impossibility to ever fish them out. Example: The sunny, clear days after the passing of a cold front, can put Largemouth into an inactive state for 2 to 3 days depending on the severity of the front. It affects other species too, but not as much as the Largemouth. Point being: The inconsistency in catching them has made them popular from a tournament perspective.
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Old 10-27-2005, 03:28 PM   #29
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It is all about $$$$$
The largemouth bass is the #1 game fish in the USA
The fishing shows and tournaments help promote and sell boats,trucks,rods & reels, gear and the list goes on.
These tournaments feel arenas with thousands of fans.
I would personally rather watch Hog Quest than have to watch some idiot scream that he just caught a giant (12")
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... a lot of those states have a fishing tradition and not all the anti fishing/hunting, granola eating, kayak padling, tree huggers we have.
What does this have to do with anything? I doubt any of these folks sponsor/support bass fishing shows, either.
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Folks,

I said when they show bass fishing on TV, it is known that they have used the method of sending a diver underwater to hook a bass onto a lure, and then let the show host reel it in.. After all its entertainment..


Wasnt talking about tournament fishing..
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I would love to see a bankie(non-plunking) steelhead/salmon show. A show on anchor would be tough to watch though unless it is for oversize gators.

As far as the bass shows -- I used to love them when I was younger. Now, it is a little too heavy on sponsors and I was never a fan of tournies despite my preference to fish for bass.
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I always figured the actual fish was from stock footage and the fight was with a garbage bag or weighted coathanger or whatnot. :grin:

In reality, I think shows are filmed over the course of a few days and then editted. I doubt it would be very easy to catch a live bass with hands or net while scuba diving...
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:12 PM   #34
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It's not exactly where the fish are but where the money is. TV ratings is the name of the game and advertising is what drives it. Steelhead, salmon and sturgeon make good fishing shows
but maybe bass and pan fish tackle manufacturers overall have more money to spend to reach fishermen on fish that can be caught almost nation wide.
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:17 PM   #35
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Jennie

if all thew bass fishermen in america were thrown into a pile then all the salmonand steelhead fishermen were thrown in the mix finding a salmon steelhead or sturgeon fisherman would be like finding a needle in a haystack..

sure salmon and steelhead are the main think in Oregon and washington but in the rest of the country bass reigh supreme.. on a nationwide level salmon and steelhead fishing is small potatoes...
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Bass fishing is a pro sport that allow the competor to catch the fish live and then weight it and eventualy release it. Bass are way hardy fish and can survive in a live well to do these competitions with out killing them off. They are found all accross the nation and almost any fisherman can relate to them, The true trophys can be caught in huge water down to a mud hole. I gess its sort of a quantitative way to relate to fishing to some sort of contest way. I think trout,salmon and such are sought after more for table fair and are quite regonal.
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:38 PM   #37
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OK.. my soap box-
Salmon/Steelheading is limited by geographic area. Bass Exist everywhere.

To those that think bassing is easy.. I would argue that point. Next to Fly fishing seasonal hatches and walley, I can't think of a more complex fish than bass.

To those that watch the shows. Yes, these are edited over the course of many days, sometimes weeks.

Yes, Divers hooking on fish is part of the entertainment package. If thier not biting, it's not uncommon for divers to hook fish on.. it's entertainment-- ( intern with infisherman in brainerd during college filled me in)

Salmon/Steelheading show, produced local may attract a limited audience, however what will happen to the ratings duing springer season, the fall/winter runs?

Could a show be produced? Certainly. I think a season of 9-10 shows would be great. These shows could be taped during the respective seasons, and broadcast on OLN or another sporting type network. I believe Hottamalie attempted this, but I also beleive the production cost were/are exuberent.

The question is, do you really want your fishery advertised? Seems were all cranky about the amount of fishing pressure already. This would only add to the battle howver I'm certain those involved in tourism for the state would be jumping with joy.

Lastly Anytype of fishing requires the right gear for the job. I use ultra light tackle smallie fishing during the summer.

Slot limits do add to trophy fishing-- and bass fisheries, like salmon/steelhead are subject to over fishing

I would rather spend a day on the water catching 2-5 lb fish on unltra light gear instead of sitting, waiting for a salmon to strike. I'm ADD though and need the action, or at least the prospect of action.
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B A S S is the #1 fish in the U S A!!!!
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Apples and oranges. I enjoy fishing for salmonids and bass equally, although I am much more proficient with bass fishing, due to being a novice steelheader... that which is more fun lies with the individual.

I see a bunch of topics regarding which is 'more fun' or a 'better fight'. Just fish for what you want and enjoy the experience of being away from the hassle of life... Take tournaments for instance. While I find them to be pretty pointless, in general, I see how the competition can be exciting to others.

Competition? Give me football. Fishing? Give me peace and relaxation (and sometimes food).

Back to topic: If not TV, I would really dig more radio shows regarding salmonids)re: Lance Fisher's show, Sat morning, AM 1080)--and especially shows that are on when I am awake enough to pay attention! :smile:
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Striper Club,

Great post. Fishing should be a family thing--not something super competitive. A relaxing and family entertaining event. In the world today competition is a big thing, but all it does is cause divisions IMHO.
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Yes, Divers hooking on fish is part of the entertainment package. If thier not biting, it's not uncommon for divers to hook fish on.. it's entertainment-- ( intern with infisherman in brainerd during college filled me in)


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Old 10-27-2005, 06:24 PM   #42
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i used to fish pro bass in wisconsin, it was more like work! i i pretty well, but got out after 2 years! i think the problem with our tourism, and our funky laws! i know people back east that would like to come out or see more shows but the area is to unreliable, the great lakes offer one hell of a year round fishery! and they really push the tourism!
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:27 PM   #43
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Oh, I really had no idea they used divers. Sorry for not believing ya, Zodiac!

Although I still think that Bill Dance uses stock footage and really has a weighted broom on the end of his line. :smile:
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:34 PM   #44
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Something that I would LOVE to see would be a show that covered many different species using different techniques. Here is a short list:

-Fly Fishing for Fall Chinook
-Fly Fishing for NW Smallmouth Bass
-Great Lakes Bobber & Fly for Smallmouth Bass
-Bobber & Egg or jig(First Bite, of course) fishing for Winter Steelhead
-Fly Fishing for Tarpin (seen this, wow)
-So Cal (Castaic, Casitas), fishing with 10" swimbaits for 15+ lb Largemouth Bass (seen this, wow)
-Spoon or crankbait fishing for Striped Bass in Arkansas
-etc
-etc

Anyone want to fund my show?


edit: I suppose this would better fit the LiG 'Lottery' thread.
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:39 PM   #45
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i'll be in it with you, and help out any way i can!
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:42 PM   #46
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:09 PM   #47
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I think your question has been fairly well answered here.

What it comes down to is availability. There are more people in the region wanting to learn how to catch bass than salmon, steelhead and sturgeon.

Fishing shows that show Alaska and N.W. fishing are extremely popular all over the country, but the biggest part of the generall public can only dream of going on one of those trips. So they want to learn how to catch what is easily available to them.

I had the western regional sale rep for Bass Cat boats salmon fishing with me on the coast last week. He always makes a point to me when he is over here about how lucky I am to have such a diverse fishery so close to my doorstep. To him it is a yearly adventure that he is lucky enough to be able to do. And he has stated that if everybody could.....they would be here taking advantage of what we have here in the N.W.
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Old 10-27-2005, 08:35 PM   #48
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some times i remember after i rant about some thing, i could be stuck in nebraska {ot that there is anything wrong with nebraska**
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