Another pit-bull attack.....

JasonsZ06 · 10-24-2005, 08:48 PM

Was walking out of my house late this afternoon, and was approached by Channel 12 News, who were looking for some neighbors to comment on the pit-bull attack that happened Saturday. I declined to go on the news, as they seem to have a way of cutting out most of what you say, and make you look like a fool, but back to the story....The neighbors had some type of collie in their back yard, and on the other side of the fence, in the back yard of the house behind them, was a pit-bull. The dogs had been barking at each other, the pit-bull ended up breaking through the wooden slat fence, and attacking the smaller dog. The owner of the smaller dog went out to try to break them up, with no luck. The wife ended up bringing a kitchen knife out, and he stabbed the pit-bull to death. Sounds like he got slightly hurt, not sure if it was from the pit-bull biting him, or from the knife he was using against it....

spinner53 · 10-25-2005, 12:34 AM

Yep, one of my guys came in late this week because his nieghbor's pit bull came into his yard and killed his cat in front of his kids. At least they got to put the peices into a shoe box for the burial.

TundraIII · 10-25-2005, 06:27 AM

Oh oh oh......let me be the first this time to make the patented stupid comment:

"It's not the breed of dog that is the problem here, it's the owners fault that this happened. Pit Bulls are gentle loving animals and make great family pets, oh and they are wonderful with kids!"

There we got that out of the way.. :grin:

ps. I freakin hate pit bulls, these animals should be outlawed.

Waterfish · 10-25-2005, 06:44 AM

TundraIII, I agree with you 100%! If it were up to me the breed would be exterminated from the face of the earth

Shortbus Flashers · 10-25-2005, 06:52 AM

how bout instead of outlawing or exterminating, hold some owners accountable?

I know, I know, we've heard it all before. But I am a firm believer that it is the handler, not the dog (in most cases) Maybe if the people who train these beautiful dogs to kill were exterminated, there wouldnt be such a problem? That is to bad about the pet, no animal should have to fight to the death. :depressed:

Keeper · 10-25-2005, 07:06 AM

I have to tell you guys that I would much rather face our neighbors pit bull than the lab mix that lives next door!

The pit is extremely social. He is around small kids, she walks him twice daily. He knows his yard and doesn't leave it even off leash in the front.

The lab mix? Lunges at our fence the entire time we are in our yard, has knocked a couple of boards loose. If she gets out of the yard she takes off after all of the neighbors. I have had her jump on me snapping while her owner calls her name. No apologies for the snapping. All of the neighbor kids are terrified. This poor dog is ignored. She doesn't go for walks...her world is her back yard.

Animal Control? Big help, I called the day she was running loose, they circled the cul-de-sac and left her sitting on the front porch.

TundraIII · 10-25-2005, 08:06 AM

You have to realize that most of these dogs are NOT trained to kill. The tendency is bred into them...they are ticking time bombs at birth. There are plenty of dog breeds that have shown a tendancy to biting...poodle breeds are notorious biters, jack-russels are notorious biters, the Akita is another example. I'll take a nip from any one of these because the difference is between a dog that is trying to create a boundary and a dog that will continue attacking until you are dead or immobile.

Norm · 10-25-2005, 08:54 AM

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You have to realize that most of these dogs are NOT trained to kill. The tendency is bred into them...they are ticking time bombs at birth.

Pit bulls are built and wired to kill. Thats why pitbull attacks can be much more brutal than other breeds. You can not take the instinct to kill out of a pitbull anymore than I can take the instinct to herd sheep out of my border collie.

I personaly would not mind a total ban on pitbulls

FastActionRodTip · 10-25-2005, 09:41 AM

I had a bull terrier for 14 years...most loving, gentle dog I have ever known. Jake was about 80lbs. of solid muscle and was go dainty and gentle around small children and loved people. Of course he was treated with love and affection and that was the difference. However, he did not like other animals and this was the challenge. He would not feel threatened or attack small dogs, but anytime he was around larger breeds the hackles would be up. The thing about them is they fight to the death, and can't even let go with their grip when they're tensed up. Extremely dangerous animals and despite my appreciation for their more loving side, I just don't trust them in today's society. Where some dogs will go for it and then break it up, bull terriers will not quit.

PapaHog · 10-25-2005, 11:14 AM

I believe they should be kept in zoos.

papa

Pescadote · 10-25-2005, 11:59 AM

Looking at another thread, maybe we should all just give them a box of raisins?

My next door neighbor has a pitbull and even though it has not shown overt signs of aggression, it scares me to have it so close to our backyard where my girls play. I keep my machete handy by the garage door just in case the unspeakable happens and it gets into our yard.

Hmm, maybe a dropped box of raisins over the fence...?????

backlash442 · 10-25-2005, 12:14 PM

There was an attack in Ca. last week. Dog turned on it's owner who had raised it from a puppy. They don't know what made it attack but the woman will now need plastic surgery to repair her face.

sinker · 10-25-2005, 12:38 PM

Buddy of mine raised pit bulls. Bunch of big babies, but with more energy than I've ever seen in anything.

Generally it's the type of person that would own a pit bull that gives them a bad rep. Look at the ones around you and the ones you see on TV. If they didn't have a pit bull they'd be working on making a rottie or a shephard just as mean.

FishTech101 · 10-25-2005, 01:47 PM

Pit bulls are good dogs, its just the news making them bad. How many black labs, shorthairs, spaniels attack, probably just as many, but the news does not see any veiwers interested in these dogs. Just like on COPS the tv show. Its always the toothless white guy, the gangster, or some latino selling drugs beating his wife or shooting someone. Alot more well dentured, suburbanites do the same thing but people want to blame the otherside. Baaahhh, Horse pucky.

TheRogue · 10-25-2005, 01:56 PM

Horse Puckey????????

Get real. Pit Bulls were bred for one thing, to kill. PERIOD. How many times to you here of any other race of dog which attacks without warning.....and KILLS!!! Almost never! There's more Dobies, Labs, and Rotts in this country, but how many times do you hear about them KILLING something or someone?

Time for Pits to go away. We can start with "no felons can own a Pit"....they're a dangerous weapon, just like a gun, but, a gun is much, much less unpredictable.

My .02

TR

Shortbus Flashers · 10-25-2005, 02:23 PM

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Time for Pits to go away. We can start with "no felons can own a Pit"....they're a dangerous weapon, just like a gun, but, a gun is much, much less unpredictable.
TR

They are outlawed for felons, as are rotts and akitas. Just very hard to enforce. I also belive you can train any dog to attack. But my pits were great dogs. I have seen mean dogs that I was terified of, and partly because of the idiot on the other end of the leash.

RBfisher · 10-25-2005, 02:24 PM

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Horse Puckey????????

Get real. Pit Bulls were bred for one thing, to kill. PERIOD. How many times to you here of any other race of dog which attacks without warning.....and KILLS!!! Almost never! There's more Dobies, Labs, and Rotts in this country, but how many times do you hear about them KILLING something or someone?

Dog Kills

Yet another

It's not hard to find numerous cases of other breeds killing people as well as other animals.
Pitts make the news most others don't.
Believe what you want but as with most any big breed of dog it is 99% + or - in how it is raised and 1% or less in the bad blood of the breed, any breed not only limited to Pitts.

Just to name a couple,
Many more people including children as well as adults die from choking on marbles/pennies/hot dogs etc... than any animal kills.
Should we ban those things as well?

RB

bassin · 10-25-2005, 02:25 PM

As much as I hate to I have to agree with Rogue.( he owns a boice jet) I am a firm believer that most Dogs are good, and the It's the people that make them bad. But look at any wild animal raised in a family, When pushed or stressed they will fall back to instincts. And the Pit Bull has been raised to fight. So instinct will take over, the same way a lab is to water.IMHO

FallRiverGuy · 10-25-2005, 03:07 PM

There is a lot of information and statistics on the following web site: Dog Bite Law .

backlash442 · 10-25-2005, 04:16 PM

A few months ago there was a Rott that ripped a baby right out of her mothers arms and killed the baby. Was the grandparents dog. So yeah I guess it's not just Pit Bulls. Oh and these people weren't some tweekers who used and abused the dog either.

Bartman · 10-25-2005, 04:59 PM

my elderly parents have a very large pitbull that is more friendly and better wit kids than our lab, not that our lab is bad with kids it just seems like my folks dog knows to be extra gentle when the kids are around. we used to breed blue heelers and I can tell you from experiance that the heelers were far more aggressive than any pitbulls I,ve been around. now I'm not saying that pitbulls cant be dangerous animals but like someone already said any large breed can be dangerous. the meanest and most untrustworthy dogs I've ever come across in my life, hands down, were some wolf hybrids that a guy raised not far from where I grew up. Pitbull attacks are sensational news and sadly for the breed their popular with people who have no buisness with a poodle let alone a pitbull

dampainter · 10-25-2005, 05:09 PM

glad to hear there is one less pit around, hope the guy is ok and his dog too.

elkhuntr28 · 10-25-2005, 09:04 PM

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/breedlaws.html

"The Lockwood article suggests that, because the problem dog breeds change over the course of time, targeting a specific breed may be unproductive; a more effective approach may be to target chronically irresponsible dog owners."

BCF · 10-25-2005, 10:03 PM

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Pit bulls are good dogs, its just the news making them bad. How many black labs, shorthairs, spaniels attack, probably just as many, but the news does not see any veiwers interested in these dogs. Just like on COPS the tv show. Its always the toothless white guy, the gangster, or some latino selling drugs beating his wife or shooting someone. Alot more well dentured, suburbanites do the same thing but people want to blame the otherside. Baaahhh, Horse pucky.

No.

elkhuntr28 · 10-27-2005, 06:41 PM

This thread reminded me of a photo I took a couple years ago at an inspection. I was alone at this house and every time I went in the back yard both of these dogs would jump on to and bite the fence. I am SOOOO glad they were behind a good fence.

ps > Neither one of these dogs were Pit Bulls, but there is no doubt in my mind that I would not have made it out of the yard if they could have gotten to me.

Nate

<edited for spelling.

8-guage · 10-27-2005, 07:22 PM

I like The Rogues' idea with felons for sure because that is one demographic that wants them. I also say get them out of city limits and enforce mandatory insurance requirements on them.
My Pitbull lived almost 17 years and she was sweet, EXCELLENT with children and people but with some animals she was out of control. They are nearly impossible to stop with out a gun when they are fighting.
I kept her in and away from others at almost all times and although she was an excellent pet and friend, I would never get another and I agree that they should be outlawed to some degree.

elkhuntr28 · 10-27-2005, 10:17 PM

I agree with your post. We had several different Pits when I was a kid. My parents never had to worry about some creep messing with me. None of them EVER showed any sign of aggresion toward me or my parents. They were great dogs and I have many fond memories of them. Unfortunately, in todays society, you could not give one to me. I don't need that kind of liability waiting to happen. The press and irresponsible owners have given these great dogs a reputation, that for the most part, I don't believe they deserve. I trust the average Pit far more than I trust the average Rot, Shepard or Dobi!

Nate

dlgobeavs · 10-28-2005, 06:53 AM

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Pit bulls are good dogs, its just the news making them bad. How many black labs, shorthairs, spaniels attack, probably just as many, but the news does not see any veiwers interested in these dogs.

That is the biggest load of crap I have read on here! The difference between a pit bull and a lab.. is that the pit is BRED to kill. When a bad owner doesn't train it properly if angered, it will attack and attempt to kill it's foe. When a lab is not trained it may be the meanest dog on the block, but it is simply defending it's territory...not trying to kill. THAT is why you don't hear about other dog attacks!

backlash442 · 10-28-2005, 07:37 AM

If Pit Bulls are such great dogs how do you explain them turning on their owners who had raised them since puppies? I'm talking about family pets that have killed or injured people that they were around their entire lives.

hawgcatcher · 10-28-2005, 08:03 AM

I worked animal control for 22 years and ran across many nice pit bulls but even many of the nice ones have that inbred fighting desire. I have seen some real sweet ones, but the amount of bad ones seem to outnumber the good ones.

I found that the enviroment that they are raised in has a lot to do with their disposition. If the dog is chained to an old car 24/7, it will be nasty. They are ones that are a real problem if they should get loose. The owners are a big factor (my dog can kill your dog attitude) and that is a big problem. These are the same people that walk the dog without a leash and let it run in everybodies yard and laugh about it. They don't have a pot to _____ in but they have a "big Mean dog" to protect their junk.

Meth people have these to guard their drugs and they seem to simply let the animal roam the area. Lots of these dogs, rarely get fed, unless they find something in their travels.

I have seen many bites and attacks by this breed and it scares me to see one, as they are usually bad as the dogs simply will not let go and tear the skin.

Being a good dog owner, keeping the dog on a leash when out and treating it with love and affection would help. Have the dog professionally trained.

If your pit bites, instead of fighting to save it (to bite again perhaps) have the dog humanly put to sleep. Get a large insurance policy (not joking) but remember most insurance companies will cover one dog and one bite then cancel you. Some won't even cover you if you have a pit.

I don't want the breed killed off but just better cared for. I have two mini pins that do all the activity that I can handle. When we walk them (on a leash at all times), if we seen any pit, we will pick up the dogs and try to avoid them. Sometimes I think I should be carrying my .40 cal Firestar, just in case though.

flapbreaker · 10-28-2005, 03:44 PM

I see both sides. The pits were bread to be attack/killer dogs. I'm sure that a lot of pitbulls when raised with a nice family can be a good dog. Unfortunately that for some unknown reason when they do decide to attack the end result is usually worse than when a jack russell bites.

Hogback · 10-28-2005, 03:46 PM

I owned and raised Pits for years. Some of the people I knew at the time (now deceased) raised combat dogs. My dogs were all from combat stock. Why, because they guarded my bikes and family. The problem with most Pits is it is hard to figure what kind of breeding background they have and the people that own them don�t realize what they have. Many dogs from combat stock can and will go into a rage when provoked past a certain point. The father of my best dog got out once and my friend who owned him (also now deceased) found him by following the angry owners of dead dogs. When he finally caught up with him he had a full grown steer on the ground by the nose. Pit Bulls inherently love to fight; some never realize it in their entire lives. However, once they get their blood up and have their first fight they look forward to the next. Most of the Pits I have seen around these days are good looking dogs but in terms of a traditional Pit they are curs. If your neighbor owns one watch your dogs and kids. The chances of the dog becoming a problem are probably small, but the result of a dog gone bad isn�t something you want to deal with. I had a neighbor that went about 260 and was a weight lifter. He got lit up one night and told me he could kick my poor old 14 year old [petunias!]�s teeth down her throat. He said he would just grab her and slam her on the ground. I told him all he would grab was a mouth full of teeth and she would break every bone she bit and if he tried to kick her she would break his ankle ground him and then go for his face. She could tell by his tone that he was getting froggy and got between us. He quickly changed his mind when he saw she had a whole new look he had never seen. Unprovoked she would not hurt anyone. Once fired up I have no doubt she would have killed him and once in a rage I probably could not have stopped her.

Thumper · 10-28-2005, 03:58 PM

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Unfortunately that for some unknown reason when they do decide to attack the end result is usually worse than when a jack russell bites.

Interesting factoid --- In England the Jack Russell breeders back-breed their spunky little terriers to bull terriers every tenth generation in order to retain the powerful massater muscles and square facial configuration so characteristic of the JR breed.

If my little JR ever got really mad at you, well, you would see the results of the breeding. They have fearsome jaws for their size, and can hang by their jaws for a half hour or more.

We got a kick this month watching guide Bob Fraker's JR ("Mike") running a huge brown bear along the road to 9-mile bridge in Yakutat, AK. Mike doesn't know that brown bears are bigger. :whazzup: