Dirt bag deer hunter

Leatherneck · 10-12-2003, 06:31 PM

Did anyone happen to notice the guy driving down hwy 6 with the deer strapped to the top of his SUV. He was driving west around 2pm. Maybe your a ifish lurker or even a member but you know who you are. You give hunters a bad name. You give fuel to the anti hunters and persuade those who are neutral about hunting into anti hunters. Not to mention the extreme disrespect shown for the deer. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] Hopefully if you have kids they didn't get to wittness this lame act.

Fish Hawg · 10-12-2003, 06:55 PM

Some people like to float their own boat and show off wich is un called for IMO

Mello-Yello · 10-12-2003, 07:42 PM

Indeed, times have changed. I remember in the 'old' days, we'd sit around town watching people drive by doing this. It was a great way to see how the morning hunt went. No one ever had a negative comment about it. Those were the "good ol' days", and those days have gone. Unfortunately, not everyone understands this.

I would almost bet that he's the type that says to hell with the anti's, I'll do as I please. He likely hasn't the sense to realize the damage he does to our sport with his selfish attitude.

Then again, he may be an anti, and that wasn't a real deer. :shocked:

10-12-2003, 07:53 PM

I've always hated to see animals (as well as food) treated this way

Norm · 10-12-2003, 07:56 PM

Maybe he didn't want to get his interior dirty

. I don't strut around with heads tied onto my bumper, but I don't go out of my way to hide them either. If I'm hunting in my jeep there is no place to put a kill out of site anyway. If the anti's don't like it, it their problem.

Woody · 10-12-2003, 09:06 PM

I have to agree with you Leatherneck. My father taught hunter safety, and I have three sons whom I have sat through the classes with. One of the things they teach in the class is; there are a lot of people who don't understand hunting or are just sensitive about seeing a dead animal. They are not all "anti" either but, if you rub their noses in it, they might turn on us. Some people just don't like to know where their meat comes from, dead things. Like it or not, that's the world we live in.

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Capin' Dan · 10-12-2003, 09:18 PM

I personally don't see a problem with it. that is not what give hunters a bad name. Hunters whom hunt outside of the law and trespass and shoot people that is what gives us bad raps. If it is in the back of his truck or on the top of his suv doesn't really matter and it may sit wrong with some people but it doesn't make him a dirt bag just a succussful hunter. Do I detect a little jealously here.

:grin:

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Woody · 10-12-2003, 09:38 PM

Hey Dan,
A lot of those people that that slob passed going down the highway vote!!! Ever wonder why the guys who USED to hunt with dogs got blindsided a few years back? Bad PR. A large percentage of the public already think hunters are two-tooth Billy Bobs. We don't need guys like that giving us any help.

Jealously, oh come on. I've killed plenty of deer and elk. Never once did I feel the need to strap it down to the top of my truck and show off.

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rockn'reel · 10-12-2003, 09:55 PM

Woody has a point and the hunter's safety classes do teach the new hunters to not display animals in this way. This guy could have been prepared and brought a tarp to put the animal in the back of his SUV. We may not like to admit it but times have changed even in the somewhat short lifetime I have been around. We do have to be sympathetic to the others on the fence about hunting. There are many who have not been around hunting and see death in a different light than those that have been exposed to it over their lifetime. We don't need to make more enemies than we already have and if we all put our best foot forward, we may not gain support but at the very least we will not lose our fight because of those we have offended. just my .02

The Overfishin Condition · 10-12-2003, 10:56 PM

I personally do not agree with this sort of activity. We have a newer suburban that doesn't quite fit the hunting scene like our old one did, and we have concerns about putting meat in the back of it- so we bring a tarp. Earlier this week we joked about putting one on top... but that was joke, period. However, in Capin' Dan's defense- the nice elderly women at the fabric store today told me to make sure I wore orange in the field. "I hear some of those crazy hunters will shoot anything that moves." Safe and ethical hunting to all, TOC.

TAILOUT · 10-13-2003, 06:10 AM

The guy probobly didnt want to get his interior dirty so he put it on top because he had forgotton his tarp. There has been numerous times weve killed large elk or a few big bucks out on a day trip in my pick up we put them in the back and drive home, I dont show them off or go out of my way to hide them either. My dad used to own a 4 runner years ago and I know first hand how hard it is to get a big buck in and out without destroying the interior there isnt much room in there, especially if your traveling with 3 or more people. What if you shoot a rutting elk and own a sport utility and are towing a trailer you think you should put the elk in the sport utility instead of on the trailer if its on the trailer everyone is going to see it, well to bad. If the elk were to go into the truck believe me it would never be the same. Drive through a city in eastern oregon no problem but drive through Portland and thats where the trouble starts.

pdxkevin · 10-13-2003, 06:43 AM

Norm has a point. We had a jeep grand cherokee when I got my first deer. I thought about putting it on the roof rack for a minute or two. I would had wrapped it in a tarp so noone would see exactly what it was. I thought the better of it and layed out the tarp in the back.

It took the better part of a week for the jeep to lose that freshly back from hunting smell. This actually worked out for the best. The deer and crab various carb pots had created a very unique car freshener. It helped me convince my wife I needed something with a pickup bed in the back.

Chukrchaser · 10-13-2003, 07:16 AM

Was coming home from a hunt east and had stopped in La Grande -- there was a pickup loaded down with camping gear -- then you saw a 5 X 4 rack sticking out of the middle of it --- probably 28 - 29 " -- I'd probably let the head stick out too just to insure that no tines were broken on the way home -- was probably some showing off involved -- but -- The real difficulty is that of perception.

We percieve the rack one way -- the anti's percieve it another way -- The question for me is do I let a noisy, irksome group like the anti's dictate my behavior? Why should I hide a life time accomplishment? Has harvesting a deer or elk become an embarassment?

Look at the pet deer in parks like Wallowa -- they are so malnourished because all the bunny huggers think it's cute to feed them candy, that their chance of suvival is near zero unless some one feeds them through the winter--

I better shut up----

id. painter · 10-13-2003, 07:25 AM

In Idaho we kill lots of animals that are big. The racks are big and wide, Moose and elk . The bodies are large .
I drive the highways each fall as hunter . I always see animals Being brought home. The norm is a deer, Elk or Moose lying in the back of a utility trailer. Sometimes they have it all covered with a tarp but mostly not.
I killed a 7 pt bull elk , it had a 5o inch spread. Each hind ham weighed 100 lbs ,,we were hunting from a ford pinto (undergraduate) It can be tougher than you think to hide it. There wasnt much to do ,but tie the rack to the top of the pinto and fill the back with meat. I wish I had taken a picture of the load on that pinto. Funny pic. There are guys that dont have a clue and do disgust everyone with thier childish display of downed game , but it also can be tough to hide .
Yesterday I drove home from a weekend of sage grouse hunting. I saw two Moose several elk and several deer in the backs of rigs , no one was making a spectical just bringing home the beef.
id. painter

choppers · 10-13-2003, 10:11 AM

I know it's tough to hide an animal out of sight but isn't it eithical to have the animal in sight incase an officer wants to check your tag? If my friends and I got one this weekend it would of had to go on top of the rack. Three guys plus hunting camping gear in a toyota 4runner. sorry but i would of put that animal in a game bag then strapped it to the top with a tarp. My tree hugging friends don't appreciate it unless it's smoked so that tells me what i need to hear.

safe hunting, choppers

Abalone · 10-13-2003, 10:46 AM

If God didn't want you to eat animals he wouldn't of made them out of meat.

Anti Hunters should go take a hike. I don't understand that rationale.

All I can say as long as hanging the animal on the roof didn't ruin the meat then it's fine with me.
Saw lots of Elk in the back of rigs coming back from Montana. Man I miss hunting.

Maybe next year !

Most animal rights people I know eat hot dogs and hamburgers. I guess they figure Mcdonnalds
grows em on trees.

maggot · 10-13-2003, 12:52 PM

Society has changed. In the past, displaying a carcass proudly as you drove home with your head high, affirming your manly abilty to harvest and provide, was acceptable. But, PETA.......and many other groups...... Paved a new road . I don't flaunt death, but am proud when I do my part for game management.
This is just the start people. Soon, we'll have to find a subsitute for "leather" hunting boots.

seadog · 10-13-2003, 04:34 PM

When I head over east to go hunting I always make an extra effort to look in peoples pick-up beds and trailers to see if there are any good animals coming back. It gets me jacked up to see how other hunters have done, knowing I am going to give it my best shot. I like to look at them. I wouldn't put one on the front of my truck, but I think anywhere else is ok. I get so sick of this area being so "P.C."

TAILOUT · 10-13-2003, 05:45 PM

I.D> Painter I see you are from pocatello, we used to live their when my dad was in the navy back in the late 70s he decided to quit after 14 years and become a dentist went to Moussuri for dental school. My mom and her brothers were born and raised in Swan Valley Id. right off of Rainey Crick used to be awsome brown and cut fishing my moms aunt still ownes a pond down in Swan and her uncle just opened a bed & breakfast just north the first farm up on Rainy CR. God I miss that place, were going back next Aug. (second week) family reunion. My mom grew up with family just off Mt. Baldy in log cabin (that we still own) used to go every summer. :smile:

2LEYS · 10-13-2003, 08:39 PM

Everyone used to have the head visible above the bed of the truck where I grew up. It was just a way of showing you were successful. I liked to see it and no one ever said a word. But living in the liberal P.C. world of Portland things are a little different. Sad but true.

Clackman · 10-13-2003, 10:16 PM

this year when i hopefully havest my elk i think i will carry a shovel to dig a hole and burry the gut pile cant be to sure a hiker may see it and have a problem.then instead of hanging it in a tree i better dig a hole and hide that too i have heard alot of pilots flying low can see hanging game.when were ready to go home i can rent a u-hual and put it in the back.i will have to add on to my garage so i can drive in and close the door as to not offend the naibors.i think if we all do something like this we can hide the fact that we are hunters right up till the time we can no longer be hunters. if i think hard i might be able to come up with a plan to hide my fish and boats too.

Leatherneck · 10-14-2003, 12:26 AM

It's one thing to have a rack visable from the back of your truck and it's another to have a deer that has been gutted, bleeding out of the nose and mouth and displayed in a manor that gives hunters a bad name. Im not a tree hugger or granola cruncher by any means. Fishing and hunting is a big part of my life. What the guy did was wrong in this day and age. Just my 2 cents.

Abalone · 10-14-2003, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by Leatherneck:
It's one thing to have a rack visable from the back of your truck and it's another to have a deer that has been gutted, bleeding out of the nose and mouth and displayed in a manor that gives hunters a bad name. Im not a tree hugger or granola cruncher by any means. Fishing and hunting is a big part of my life. What the guy did was wrong in this day and age. Just my 2 cents.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I totally agree with what you are saying. However much of the anti hunting sentiment is pure ignorance. I am not going to let it effect my love of the sport. Any animal I have killed is usually
wrapped up in a tarp and inside where no one can see it. My priority is in preserving the meat and
I don't see how drapping an animal on the hood of a car or on the roof is going to help in that respect. As far as being Mocho about it ! I think the most effective way to do that is to only partially expose the antlers so as to stimulate a little imagination. But I don't do that either.
Usually on my way home I don't want to attract the attention of the OSP and waste time getting
pulled over. But to each his own and if a guy wants to Flap his wings a little bit so be it. Why should
he hide his face for accomplishing something he loves.

choppers · 10-14-2003, 01:50 PM

you know last night i was watching TV and saw some new disney cartoon portraying a bear as it's main character. no wonder all the PC folks in the northwest don't like killing animals... because they have drawn a close attachment to a cartoon that they've seen years ago when their kids were born or something along that line. Call me crazy but i think that's one reason why tree huggers feel the way they do. then on the other hand tree huggers like that guy in alaska that filmed wild grizzlies died because he thought he had a close association to the animals he filmed. http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conserva...3/1637141.html
he should of went to the disney school of arts. paint brushes and computers don't bite back.

just food for thought. good luck hunting.

Jeremy · 10-14-2003, 02:00 PM

Was it a white jeep cherokee i saw it heading east on 6 around 2:20, it still had the hide on so it didnt look as bad as it would of had they skinned it.

COLES DAD · 10-14-2003, 06:06 PM

Isn't it time we come together and only accept PETA as "PEOPLE for the EATING of TASTY ANIMALS" Don't you guys get it??? how in the world did those elk get taken (shot) up at Mt St Helens on the north side at Johnson Observertory by the out of state Indian tribe who traded hunting rights with some tribe from yakima wa??? AND GET AWAY WITH IT!!! I fought in a war which gives me the right to voice my 2 cents... it makes me sick to see what we have allowed to happen right under our noses here and to read how divided all of you are it's no wonder we are loosing our rights secondly I'm not advocating the flaunting of dead animals I tarp mine but lets get some backbone and quit running and hiding in the corners so we don't offend some vegetarian and hey leatherneck, beings that you were the one so offended by the persons actions I have a question for you, have you stopped to considered that the person driving down hwy 6 couldn't afford to buy a tarp and possibally was on his way home to feed his wife and children with an suv so FULL of camping/hunting gear his winters supply of meat wouldn't fit inside??? If you have then whose side are you on anyway???

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Birdnest · 10-14-2003, 07:54 PM

I know, one time I was fly fishing, catch and release, no hooks, with a team from Seaworld to rehab any fish that I caught...oh my bad, wrong post.

So some guy doesn't want to get the inside of the family truckster covered with blood and he he should be beaten with a hot stick???

I have to agree with Clackman on this one. Sometimes, during hunting season, deer will die.

Don't be ashamed of being a hunter. What is next, catch and release hunting with tranqulizer darts? Then maybe just sitting around "deeply visualizing" hunting?

Leatherneck, I don't mean this to be a shot across your bow, just think the whole thing is a little silly. My .02

Joe

Leatherneck · 10-14-2003, 07:54 PM

Coles Dad- Please...the guy was driving a high end suv and your saying he can't afford a tarp. You are totally missing the point. I have received a large number of emails on this matter from other hunters who totally see the point of my post and agree. As to who's side am I on, im not even going to answer that. If you got to hit below the belt with a comment like that then you put me where you want to. Birdnest....you think the whole thing is silly.

Why don't you go sit through the Oregon hunter's safety course. Part of the course is about hunter ethics. The very issue im talking about is presented to the class.

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dimwit · 10-15-2003, 02:12 PM

That's not a good way to treat food. I don't drag my food through the dirt or leave it where flies can lay eggs in it, nor would I strap my food uncovered to the top of a vehicle where its going to get bugs (like your windshield), road debris, bird droppings, and--the worst for food--sun. You wouldn't buy chicken, beef, fruit or vegetables at the grocery store and tie it uncovered to the luggage rack would you? This is why many people think venison doesn't taste good--they've never eaten venison that was treated properly.

Recently I was cutting up an elk in my kitchen when some friends stopped by. I was a little embarrassed because the kitchen was a mess, not really thinking about the fact that it was messy because of a dead animal. What stunned my guests the most was the plate of food that I had (including steak) on the counter that I would occassionally take a bite from. No one would have thought twice about it if I was trimming a neatly seran wrapped steak from Safeway or cutting up vegatables for cooking. I said "Don't you take a bite out of the vegetables or fruit when you're preparing it for dinner?." To me its an animal while its alive, and food after I've tagged it. Treat it like food! Bone it and put it in a cooler or at least cover it up from dirt and bugs if the outside temperature permits. You'll be amazed at how much better venison tastes than store bought beef if you only treat it right. Why do you think steak at a high end restaurant is so good? They're careful about where they get the meat and how its treated.

Airborne · 10-15-2003, 03:13 PM

I grew up in the mid-west and if you didnt have a truck to toss in the kill, it was always straped to the vehicle,and it's still the norm in Michigan today, yea I know this isnt the mid-west but maybe thats where he is from? just a guess. I wouldn't want to scratch up the outside of my truck or car so inside or tarped on the rack he would go....

Killertraylor · 10-15-2003, 06:03 PM

Just because they teach you to cover up your animal in hunters safety doesn't mean it's wrong not to. Doesn't bother me one bit to see a dead deer or elk on top of an SUV. If I ever get one big enough to brag about (and it won't ruin the animal in the process) I'll put it somewhere where folks can see it. If it offends the anti-hunters, they were folks who were going to vote against my point of view anyway so **** em'. I just don't see it as being disrespectful - he was just trying to keep his rig clean on the inside.

FISH HAWK · 10-16-2003, 10:07 AM

Heres my .02
Hunters are a minority in comparision.
Around 90% of citizens are non hunters. A good portion of this 90% are offended easily(Especially in this liberal state). So dispalying an animal in the manner described by leatherneck would be consider disgusting. Lets not forget that hunting is a priveledge. These non hunters as well as us hunters get to vote and voice their opinions to public officails. Sportsmen need to keep this in mind when out in the field or in the public eye. I would like to add that wild game is great meat and should be handled with care. Strapping it to the top of your vehicle for the ride home is a bad way to handle a fine meat.

Matt

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flatcoat · 10-20-2003, 02:52 PM

I've got a jeep grand cherokee and if the interior space is filled with stuff the deer goes on the roof rack. No disrespect to the deer, simple logistics. Hunters seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trashing "dirt bag hunter" each other and trying to impose their values on other hunters.

Leatherneck · 10-22-2003, 05:36 PM

Please refer to page 32 of the Oregon big game regulations 2003. You are missing the point of the post.