Tuna Virgins

tracker · 09-29-2005, 09:05 PM

I did not keep very good track of the tuna virgins I had on the boat this year. I know I had a couple on one trip that I call my ghost crew! I was seasick the whole day and had one of the virgins running the boat. We only got two that day but I think they both went to virgins. Anyway if you were a virgin and were on my boat could you pm me! Just tell me your handle. For that matter I would really like to get Pm's from all on the boat this year with date and what we caught an so forth. Just have idea for a video and would like this info if you have it! Thanks in advance!

LQQKASTAR · 09-29-2005, 10:59 PM

do i count?, if we waited a half a year could i be considered a "born again tuna virgin"

tracker · 09-30-2005, 05:38 AM

You I will remember!

crabbait · 09-30-2005, 05:54 AM

[new note: I did not mean to single Tracker out in this and apologize for hijacking his thread...not my intention. The below is meant for everyone - cb]

At the request of some of our members, we are asking that we ease out of the Tunaginity, tuna virgin, cherry poppin vernacular.

I'm sure we can find some other way to annotate first time tuna fisherpersons.

Thanks.

Waytogo · 09-30-2005, 06:11 AM

Crabbait you must be kidding???????Mike waytogo

tracker · 09-30-2005, 06:27 AM

I am just not sure how to respond to that! But I will!

Boatdog · 09-30-2005, 06:34 AM

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tracker · 09-30-2005, 06:36 AM

Instead of just asking not to use the wordage, give us some examples that truly work to describe the situation!

Woody · 09-30-2005, 06:46 AM

For those of you who don't get it........Just stop and think about the original meanings of the phrases. If you have any sensitivity AT ALL, you will see why some would find it offensive.

CATCH AND EAT · 09-30-2005, 07:00 AM

This post is just to sexy for me.

I personally do not have a problem with Tuna virgin but some of the other linguo that goes along with it can be offensive at times. And no, I was not the one who complained.

Boatdog · 09-30-2005, 07:07 AM

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Snug 2 · 09-30-2005, 07:20 AM

Boy, I sure hope the politically correct crowd doesn't start to take over this board.

I lost my tuna virginity with Mr. Fisherman in '04. He was gentle. Thanks Ray.

I am politically incorrect and damn proud of it.

KillerBeee · 09-30-2005, 07:33 AM

Were it not for the "Vernacular" learned on this board, none of ever would have thought to use words like "Virgin", "Virginity", or a host of others when relating to these experiences.
I personally would like to see some recommendations for replacement before we are aked to change a long accepted term that has it's place in the proper context.
I have no intention of being abrasive, but in this time of overwhelming criticism by the "Moral" majority, I'd prefer to keep fishing fun and use the terminology we have come to accept as being "Normal" and unoffensive.
David Bergeron "KillerBeee"
By the way Dave,
I hope our recent experience is still as fresh in your mind as it is in mine....
Thanks again,
Beeeeeee

Salty Walty · 09-30-2005, 09:23 AM

To back Crabbait up. The Mods would like to see these terms phased out. It was a decision based not on wanting to take the fun out of the board, make the world sterile or to protect a few persons sensitivity. It is an attempt to make the Board a little more easy to read for those with less Salty vernacular. Here is an example from my perspective. My 8 year old daughter and 6 year old son come and read the board with me. They both can read and are at that point in life that they are asking questions about everything and what words mean that they don't understand. They have yet to ask what some of the terms mean but it is only a matter of time. They don't live in a hermetically sealed and sterile environment. They have been fishing with me and living around me long enough to have heard some choice words. They have used these words and have had it explained to them that they should not be used with an admission by Dad that he should watch his language. I never cosidered this until it was brought up but I really cringe now at the thought my daughter or my son referring to catching their first Tuna or Halibut in these terms. So please consider this as I am not the only one who might have this situation. I have used these terms so I am not crying foul or getting on soap box and trying to save the world.
Thanks for your consideration on this subject. Walter

skein · 09-30-2005, 09:24 AM

Well, guys, it was me that brought it up, and for sure I'm no prude nor one to give in to political correctness. You guys who have gone out with me, or been around me very much know that. And in truth, like somebody said, I don't know exactly what descriptors we would substitute.

But I do wonder what it sounds like to the visitor or new reader, and I wonder if it sets a tone that none of us really endorse, at least on these pages.

Oh, and one more thing. Here's a pic of my wife's sister with her very first halibut.

I'm sure not going to turn to my wife, who is my BEST fishing partner ever, and say, "I just popped your sister's halibut cherry!" I don't think so.

Boatdog · 09-30-2005, 09:43 AM

Thank you for explaining the circumstances surrounding the thoughts behind this. I didn't even think about "children" asking "questions" after reading posts. I have deleted my previous, possibly questionable, thoughts regarding the "first time" terminology.
Although it is suprising to me how long this has gone on, and how accustomed to these phrases I have become. Note to self - change is good.

NOw back on track - Who are the first time TUNA catchers that fished with Tracker?

flapbreaker · 09-30-2005, 10:15 AM

How about:

Tuna Noob
Tuna Rookie

You could post "another Tuna noob schooled!" or something along those lines.

Jennie@ifish · 09-30-2005, 10:43 AM

I like Tunoob. :smile:

Jen

djchaser · 09-30-2005, 10:47 AM

I wasnt a tuna--gin when we hooked up Tracker,But I hope you remember me on your crew list for this year,and hopefully next season as well.

StickFish · 09-30-2005, 11:02 AM

Hum - My suggestion to this using as simple a fishing term as I could come up with - how about Tuna Greenhorn.

Greenhorn is a common phrase for any deck hand's first trip.

According to Thesaurus.com Greenhorn means the following

amateur, apprentice, babe, beginner, colt, hayseed, ignoramus, ingenue, learner, naif, neophyte, new hand, newcomer, novice, recruit, rube, rustic, simpleton, tyro, xxxxxxx.

I removed the last one as it was the now inappropriate term.

Chromaflage · 09-30-2005, 11:16 AM

Tuna Naif

tracker · 09-30-2005, 11:28 AM

Ok from what I am hearing and the part I agree with is that other than tuna virgin, the rest of the stuff should go, I guess "greenbutskunk" those cherry stickers I was going to order are not needed anymore! I still think "tuna virgin" is unoffensive. But will no longer use the others. I to have a four year old daughter and would not want to explain it all, but virgin only means "first time."

Spoonplugger · 09-30-2005, 11:37 AM

vir�gin [ v�rjin ]

noun (plural vir�gins)
Definitions:

1. somebody who has never had sex: somebody who has never had sexual intercourse

2. religion religious woman committed to chastity: a woman who has taken a vow of chastity for religious reasons

3. zoology female animal: a female animal that has never copulated

4. insects female insect: a female insect that produces fertile eggs without the help of a male

adjective
Definitions:

1. of virgin: relating to or characteristic of a virgin

2. pure: in a pure, natural, or clean state virgin snow

3. environment not touched by humans: describes a natural area that has never been explored or exploited by humans

4. occurring for first time: happening or carried out first or for the first time

The freshman senator delivered his virgin speech yesterday.

5. food from first pressing: describes vegetable oils that come from the first pressing of fruit, leaves, or seeds without the use of heat

6. metallurgy produced directly from ore: describes metals produced directly from an ore, not from scrap metal

7. minerals unalloyed: found in a pure unmixed state

8. physics never having collided: describes a neutron that has never been in a collision and therefore retains the energy with which it started

9. with no alcohol: nonalcoholic ( slang )

[12th century. Via Old French virgine < Latin virgin-, stem of virgo "maiden"]

Nalu · 09-30-2005, 11:48 AM

I see nothing wrong with any use of the term "virgin" when used in the descriptive fashion it was intended- by definition.

tuna virgin, hali virgin, tunaginity..... they all mean the same thing, someone who hasn't done something, or is doing it for the first time. This is not obscene, flagrant, or something that should be changed.

"Popping a tuna cherry" I can understand nixing the use of because it is using a reference to sexual slang. This or anything else that is alluding to sexual reference I could see being possibly offensive.

If you have a child and they ask what a tuna virgin, or hali virgin is, what harm is there in telling them the absolute truth, and by definition? Just like virgin wool, extra virgin olive oil, or virgin territory, there is nothing wrong with the term.

Don't hide from the English language. I can understand issues that relate to definitive misuse, or offensive language being removed, but this isn't one of them.

pnwcoast · 09-30-2005, 11:51 AM

pm sent tracker

and yes, I became a....

'born again fisherman'?? on the

"Just Keep Fishing"

Deepslayer · 09-30-2005, 11:54 AM

I think I have to agree with Nalu. There used to be a work in the English Language that meant happy, and now it has been changed to mean something else!

skein · 09-30-2005, 11:55 AM

How about the very plain "introduced to the Dark Side." That's sure what happened to me. And it cost me thousands and thousands and thousands....

Skein

Jennie@ifish · 09-30-2005, 11:57 AM

I personally don't mind the virgin thing so much as the cherry poppin stuff. To me, that's really in bad taste.

I may be out of line on this one, so I'll defer it to the mods.

I think it just goes from there, though, to more offensive. It's like we don't know where to cut it off, and pretty soon it's really bad.

Just thought I'd add my two cents.

Jen

Woody · 09-30-2005, 11:59 AM

I agree, Virgin's OK. Loose the rest though.

CATCH AND EAT · 09-30-2005, 12:08 PM

What Nalu said.

treegolfer · 09-30-2005, 12:25 PM

I completely agree with Nalu. The word "virgin" has come to mean many things in our language. Many have nothing to do with sex and are completely acceptable in conversation or writing for all age groups. Some people may not be able to hear or see the word without it being sexual in nature to them, but that's their problem. Alcohol is not bad, but to an alcoholic it is not good. I think we should be able to use the English language in our posts and not be made to feel guilty about it or censored for it.

That being said, I agree the slang should probably not be used. Most posters know when they are pushing the line and don't cross it, others will often cross the line and suffer the consequences from some of the mods.

treegolfer

bajadan2000 · 09-30-2005, 01:02 PM

Times change, and so do the standards people use to define themselves. My grandfathers grew up in a time when they needed a letter of introduction with refrences just to meet someone new in a proper manner. Now, rudeness and being a bad boy is the in thing. I like to call this the Rosanne Barr/Bart Simpson syndrone. The USA is no longer a proper society. And the rest of the world knows it.

I have travelled to many countries on business and have lived in other countries for two years during an early retirement. What I learned from this is. The rest of the world does not like Americans. They want to come here and take away what we have. But as a people, they do not like us. Why? We do not have respect for each other. Think about what the rest of the world sees through our internet and TV.

A quick story to show what I mean. I was invited to dinner at a nice home in Mexico. The host was a Physics professor at the local University. He had a nice selection of people. From diesel mechanics to business people. The entertainment was to watch a boxing match on TV. A fellow from Puerto Rico was fighting a kid from the USA. When the national anthem of PR was played, everyone in the arena from PR stood with their hands over their heart and sang the anthem. When the USA anthem was played, most of the Americans in the arena just ignored it and were talking to friends. This was shown on international TV.

I was the only American at this function. Everyone in the house just looked at me, no one said anything, however it was very clear they could not understand how anyone could be so disrespectful to their own country, and then show this to the rest of the world. I wanted to crawl under a table.

Everyone one has the right to talk during the national anthem, everyone have the right of free speech and to use the V. word. However, with this right comes a responsibility to our families, friends and country.

We do not respect our own country and we do not respect others, including family values. I for one think we have gone to far and need to start the trend back to were we respect each other and maybe, the rest of the world will start to like us again.

I will start by not using offensive slang in my post. My rant is now over.

BajaDan

LQQKASTAR · 09-30-2005, 01:15 PM

i see it coming.

by next year i wont be able to be a "boat Ho". :whazzup:

but i agree keep the virgin thing and loose the cherry thing. were not all adults here

LQQKASTAR · 09-30-2005, 01:19 PM

tell me your kidding, did you just compare using the word "virgin" to being unAmerican?

Seelicious · 09-30-2005, 01:26 PM

Can we still deflower tunagins?

SL

Miss B Haven · 09-30-2005, 01:39 PM

Well...seeing as how I've been getting trained for waaaaayyy to many years on diversity and harrassment, the really Politically Correct saying would be...........................................(drum roll)............................................. ....................

Tuna Challenged! :grin:

tracker · 09-30-2005, 01:52 PM

:grin:

Tuna challenged! But wait a minute I was tuna challenged during the garibaldi tournament? So what does that mean!

And back to american versus................I would suggest that All the world wants to come here because we are the very best in the world. There is no better place to live and we have people fighting right now to defend that and to give that chance to other people. Don't come here if you don't want and leave if you want because we have that right and many others do not. TV and the media will always show the worst. Did you speak up and tell the truth or did you meekly tuck your tail and shrug your shoulders! Wewill as a society vanish and die if we meekly hide!

I for one love traveling to other countries but there is nothing like planting your feet back in the United States Of America!

bajadan2000 · 09-30-2005, 02:46 PM

The point of my rant was to show that the problem is much deeper than just the one word, vir..

The Salty Dog forum is one of only two forums I know of in the entire USA that I think is worth a darn due to their high standards for truth and accuracy. The moderators have given you several good reasons why they find this word offensive to both themselves and their families. You have the right to use it, however, to continue to do so will only show your disrespect for them and their families.

Tacker,
Your personal attack on me has been noted. I find your comments to me and on this issue and to the moderators to be very disrespectful. I am a US Marine. We do not tuck tail. Thank you for helping me make the point on how disrespectful Americans have become.

Jennie@ifish · 09-30-2005, 02:55 PM

Amen, Baja, and that's why I've always kept ifish to these standards, since the beginning.

I want a quality place. Not just another bulletin board.

The work has been hard. I have been chastised for it.

But you know what? Even with all the teasing, some getting mad, some crying censorship, etc... it's been worth every last effort I/we have put into it!

Jen

Hooker · 09-30-2005, 03:04 PM

That was me who jumped out of the captains seat and landed on your hand. Sorry Dave...had to be done

Thanks again.

Jason

Metal Manipulator · 09-30-2005, 03:14 PM

What seems right is now being said as wrong. A virgin is a highly moraly respectable person and to give in to something else is to disrepect the rightous part of our humanity. Just because the bullies used it to attack people when they were young does not give call to denegrating it ourselves. sets not be coerced into making it dirty. Speak the truth and you will be respected in the end. The imoral of our society will never speak for me. I am no saint but I will not let the imoral dictate my life.

Robin Kaup

tracker · 09-30-2005, 03:14 PM

Thank you for your service! If you read the post carefully then you will note my respect for what you have done with that service. So with that said what did you do when they looked at you? No ofense meant but I am curious? You have done alot for this country already but please finish the story! Did you stand up for the USA as you did for Jennie and ifish here? As to Jennie, I mean no disrespect at all. She so far today is the only one that has wished me a happy birthday! Thanks again Jennie! And as to ifish that is the only room I frequent! And it is because of people like (armed forces)you and others like you that we are able to write what we want within reason. In China people are thrown in prison for what they write! Are we going there? I will not go meekly to the corner!

Metal Manipulator · 09-30-2005, 03:16 PM

Tracker I did not know you are a birthday Boy today.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

tracker · 09-30-2005, 03:18 PM

Was not my intent but thank you!

kamloops · 09-30-2005, 03:20 PM

Happy Birthday Tracker :smile:

tracker · 09-30-2005, 03:23 PM

Ok Kamloops and wet fly have said it all for eveyone. :blush: This is just deflating a good debate!

skein · 09-30-2005, 03:29 PM

I guess that just proves what they say, "There are no ex-Marines!"

And Happy Birthday, Tracker!

I guess I'd rather put up with innuendos than have you two, or any of us, at each other's throats.

We have a pretty unique thing here with the Salty Dogs, and like anything good, it requires diligence and care. Maybe even a polishing cloth now and then. The Greater Good is, well, good, and worth preserving.

Skein

Boatdog · 09-30-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

We have a pretty unique thing here with the Salty Dogs, and like anything good, it requires diligence and care. Maybe even a polishing cloth now and then. The Greater Good is, well, good, and worth preserving.

Well said!!!

KillerBeee · 09-30-2005, 04:10 PM

In the infamous words of the great Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"
Let us all try to remember that the reason we are here is because we all share the Love of being on the water in one way or another. Whether on the bank, the river, lake, the sound, or the ocean.
From my time, sharing my adventures, I have learned a lot from my peers, good and bad. The thing I remember the most is the "Love".....
Try to think of that love we share when times are trying and egos are hurt. You will find that it comes back to the fact that we love it out there.
I look forward to seeing you all at the place I love..
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

By the way,
Happy Birthday Dave Tracker!

bobross · 09-30-2005, 04:15 PM

It isn't a question of being PC or being censored. It is a question of being a gentleman. Maybe it's an outdated concept, but I hope not. You don't use sexually charged language in public or otherwise before women you don't know' just as you would not appreciate some stranger using the same around your wife/daughter/mother. Most of us use language on the back decks of our boats that we would not use around the dinner table or if we were writing a letter to theOregonian. This site is not the back deck of your boat. It is the internet and is basically a public place. It is also a jewell and my favorite place to visit. Let's keep it classy. Just because we are salty dogs doesn't mean our language has to be.

Spoonplugger · 09-30-2005, 04:18 PM

LoveBeee...I mean KillerBeee...GREAT COMMENT!!!

tracker · 09-30-2005, 04:25 PM

I have not seen anyone say that we shoulod continue with the other stuff but virgin? Come on it is a very good and morale word in all respects! Lets not lose site of that!

tracker · 09-30-2005, 04:27 PM

Thanks to Hooker, my ghost crew has been identified and we can now close this down if you would all like to! Thanks again Hooker!

Spoonplugger · 09-30-2005, 04:28 PM

I really like "skein"'s comments above:

Re: Tuna Virgins [Re: tracker]
#957021 - 09/30/05 10:24 AM

He really hits the nail on the head. There are more than just the people that type on this forum. A lot of young onlookers. I have Grandchildren that I want to show a lot of this stuff to...pictures, etc. and I find myself being careful. I wish it wasn't that way. Just my $.02---Thanks.

Nalu · 09-30-2005, 04:38 PM

Quote:

What seems right is now being said as wrong. A virgin is a highly moraly respectable person and to give in to something else is to disrepect the rightous part of our humanity. Just because the bullies used it to attack people when they were young does not give call to denegrating it ourselves. sets not be coerced into making it dirty. Speak the truth and you will be respected in the end. The imoral of our society will never speak for me. I am no saint but I will not let the imoral dictate my life.
Robin Kaup

Again, I have to agree. I was hearing the word virgin before I could ever understand or comprehend what it was.

I heard the term "virgin" on a weekly basis as a child and through my adolesence, and never associated something negative or filty with it.

I am pretty sure that I questioned my mother what a "virgin" was at a very young age, and she told me quite honestly. She then took the time to explain in detail what the reproductive cycle was, and how it worked. All this to explain who the Virgin Mary was, and why she is so special.

So, as Jenny expressed before, references to sexual acts I can understand keeping off the board. By all means. But eliminating the word "virgin" in a true definition context? I'm sorry some people are threatened by what I find as an acceptable and innoculous word, but being labeled an "ugly American" because I disagree is sad and McCarthy-esque.

Baja- Don't label people as ugly Americans simply because they disagree with you. Word context and meaning are important to me.

Spoonplugger · 09-30-2005, 05:06 PM

Nalu--The "virgin" thing I can explain to a youngster...virgin olive oil, virgin wool, etc. Its the "cherry" stuff that Jennie refers to above: (Re: Tuna Virgins [Re: Deepslayer] #957204 - 09/30/05 12:57 PM.) that would make it very difficult.