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Old 04-03-2003, 08:17 AM   #1
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Default Spring Bear Questions?

1.) Will the elk and deer hangout in the same area a bear has been?
2.) If I am seeing lots of deer and elk am I looking in the wrong places for bear?
3.) I am thinkinmg that the bear will be feeding on grass this time of the season but, so are the elk and deer?
4.) If there is snow at higher elevations say 2500ft will the bears still be there or will they more to lower elevations like deer?
5.) Are the bears even out of hybernation yet in the Cascades?
6.) Has anyone else been out in the Santiam Unit looking for the blacks yet other than me?

I went out yesterday and watched a west facing canyon for a couple hours that had grass patches all over on it but all I saw was a herd of 12 cows, and over 15 deer.
I am headed back today and I will share what I find out. This hunt has frustrated me in the past due to the snow but I need to figure out how to use it as my advantage. I know the bears are there I saw 5 up higher at 3500ft. in the fall. Any help would be appricated.
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:21 AM   #2
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ONE RULE OF THUMB IS YOU'LL FIND A BEAR WHERE YOU FIND ONE,LOOK IN OPEN GRASSES AREAS THEY FEED ON THE NEW GRASS IN THE SPRING AND WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF DOWNED LOGS THEY EAT THE GRUBS OUT OF THEM.DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE HUNTING THEM.
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:57 AM   #3
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sorry to use cap letter when i was talking to you i was not yelling
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Old 04-03-2003, 01:52 PM   #4
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N. Cascades is a tough hunt. Take a look at ODFW's controlled bear hunt statistics here. It's for 2000, not last year, but you get the idea. Not very good odds. 200 tags and 2 bears killed. That's a 1% success ratio. Compare that to some of the far NE units, the SW or even the Alsea.

That's not to say that there aren't plenty of bears in the Cascades (During the fall 2000 general season, 248 bears were taken in the Cascades, 54 of those from the Santiam unit). They are just hard to target in the Cascades. Bears are going to be wherever you find them, especially in the spring. They'll be at one elevation on week and higher up the next week. You won't be able to find them by just looking at a certain elevation. You have to find them first (their sign, actual bears), and then following them as they go up.

Honestly I wouldn't start till early May. By then there will be less snow, you'll be able to get higher up and cover more area. All the bears would be out actively feeding by then. I imagine most are out now, but it takes them a little while to get going. They've been sleeping most of the winter, they're still tired, really hungry have no energy and their muscles have atrophied some. It's not like a bear wakes up one day and starts eating for the rest of the spring. It's a gradual process.

That all being said, focus on the areas where there is new growth. Particularly skunk cabbage. Meadows and clear cuts are great. Most important find areas where you can glass a lot of country. And glass it hard. Bears are surprisingly easy to miss. Right now I'd cover as much area as you can and familiarize yourself with where the sign is, where the food is, etc.

I wouldn't worry too much about the deer and elk right now. Bear are usually a little higher up than they are in elevation as they start going up, but I've also found spring bear right in the same canyons as deer and elk before. Later in May the bears will start focusing on the deer and elk as they drop their young. In that case then I would try to go to where they are calving. Predator calls can be very effective.

That's another idea for you. Calling bears takes a lot of patience. Usually it's a long process (not always) 1 hr + on a given stand. I don't know that I would sit down anywhere unless I knew a bear was right around there, but you may be able to call at different glassing locations and look for movement.

So that should give you an idea. Bears are rarely easy, but it can be done. Good luck to ya. Any other questions, let me know.

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Old 04-03-2003, 06:50 PM   #5
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Thanks Birdhunter, I appreciate all the good info and suggestions. I didn't consider some of the things that you had mentioned, such as being stiff and weak when exiting thier dens. Again good stuff.
Today was a great day for viewing Elk and Deer but that was about it. I headed up to find 3-6" of fresh snow and it was coming down hard of and on all day.
I saw three herds of elk for a total of around 60 cows, calves, and two young bulls. I stalked to within 50 yards of one herd for the fun of it, they didn't appreciate it to much. One group was bedded down in the middle of the road up high. I got to try out my new tires in the deep snow it was fun.
It is troubling to not see more young bulls in the area that I hunt. Last summer I veiwed 150+ elk a weekend and saw very few spikes mostly none at all.
Lots of deer out to at lower elevations. Every canyon I glassed seemed like it had 3-4 deer it it. Its cool to watch them go about thier daily activities. They sure spend alot of time licking themselves.
Lots of fun,I sure do love being out in the woods in pursuit. I have been going solo for a few days and it has been very nice to not worry about someone else being cold or wet. Just me and the and the hunt.
Good luck to all the others out there looking for a bear.
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Old 04-04-2003, 01:56 PM   #6
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Don't be discouraged by the number of bulls you're finding because a lot of bulls have lost thier horns already. Next time you go out look for the nobs on thier heads closely. I've seen quite a few that have dropped already. If you're finding a lot of cows the bulls will be there also come hunting season. By the way where is this?? Just kidding.
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Old 04-04-2003, 05:24 PM   #7
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Went out again today and no bears or sign. The elk finally moved on as well didn't see any either. But, the three deer that I have been watching for the last twodays in one canyon cooperated with me and I got to look at them through my friends Nikon spottingscope real close and guess what they are three bucks. With his 60mm. lense on 47 power I could see the nubs on thier heads. One is really old and has a white face and real big grey body. I've got to come up with a name for him. So far its Pale Face. The other two are in thier prime and healthy.One I guess to be a forkhorn last year. The other who knows how big he will be I can't wait for July to see the rack on the old guy. The hunt goes on.
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Old 04-08-2003, 07:14 PM   #8
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Stickflicker,
I had this tag last year and had alot of fun. I seriously hunted for three days and seen four bear. One was about a mile away. The same evening I seen a sow with a cub.I really dont want to tell you what happened the next moning. I did alot of glassing. They are feeding on grass,I also seen deer and elk in the same spots as the bear. Never at the same time though. I did most of my glassing just below the snow line. Good luck, I've got this tag again this year so I'll be out trying my luck at a bruin this weekend.I hate to put my new DB away though.
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