Humane kills?.........

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 07:18 PM

I know theres a lot of different types of hunting, deer, elk, birds ect but dont you all try to make the most humane kill you can?
I mean try to make your choice of weapon one that will put an animal down within a few seconds?

The reason I ask is I started a thread on salty dogs that should have been here about Tred Barta killing a hog with a knife and I kind of got slammed a bit by it.

What do you all think of him and macho knife hunt? Why not try to kill one with a hammer for instance.

I personaly think that the animal deseves better than that.

Go ahead tracker.....chime in.

2LEYS · 08-07-2005, 07:22 PM

I think using a knife for boar is fine.

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 07:23 PM

How about a hammer?

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 07:24 PM

Or say...... a spear?

2LEYS · 08-07-2005, 07:25 PM

spear yes, hammer no.

Chukrchaser · 08-07-2005, 07:29 PM

Barta is enough to make me barfa

The wrong people channel surf by his program and the "anti's" have more ammo.

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 07:31 PM

Knives are not legal for any big game in Oregon.

I wonder why?........

steelhead22 · 08-07-2005, 07:45 PM

"I wonder why?........ "

Protection from ourselves. Also see "seatbelts", "drug laws", etc.

As to your original post. I can see where you are coming from, but I'd have to say a knife was OK. In fact, the MAIN ARGUMENT that I get from my "anti friends" is that I'm killing a defenseless animal. I get a lot of "I bet things would be different if the deer had guns pointed at you." Hunting boar with a knife is seriously dangerous, and in fact, "levels the playing field" if you really think about it. Takes the #1 arugment I get from "anti's" and throws it right out the darn window.

Look, death isn't pretty. Whether is a 150 grain going through the chest cavity and splitting the heart in two or ripping both lungs in half, or whether is a jugular getting sliced with a knife....death is death.....and it's a part of life. There's no sense in sugar coating it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I get what you're saying, but Jesus man, hike up your freakin' skirt!

Damn, I'm so sick and tired of walking on egg shells about EVERYTHING in this country. It's unreal. I can't wait to get out of Portland and into a place where I know I can bring my salmon, or deer, or ducks home to my house and not worry about inciting a freakin' riot or having picketers out front for the next 2 weeks. GET ME OUTTA HERE!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled program. Sorry for the rant. I'd like to leave this post saying,

"I HATE PORTLAND!"

mwade16 · 08-07-2005, 07:46 PM

maybe its just me, I love ted barta's shows.....

Whatchaketchemon · 08-07-2005, 08:21 PM

I'm not sure where this particular episode was filmed but in Oregon wild boars are considered an exotic species and there are no restrictions on harvesting them. In the wrong hands a rifle can be more inhumane than a knife...in both cases the idea is to harvest the animal as quickly and humanely as possible. A knife to the jugular can be just as deadly as a bullet through the heart.

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 08:27 PM

We cant hunt with a knife because " Protection from ourselves"....LOL....ok

Yep steelhead..."Ill just mosey out to the barn an hike up my skirt before pa comes home to paddle me"

j/k... ILL send ya tickets to get out of town to the arctic an ya can club a few seals....

DukAddict · 08-07-2005, 08:40 PM

A duck with hevi [petunias!]

lor · 08-07-2005, 08:50 PM

If a guys wants to go after a pig with a knife, thats on him.
Personally, I would prefer a bow or gun.
Not neccesarily for a humane kill, but just because I could probably kill in animal in such a way as to not endanger myself.

Salmo trutta · 08-07-2005, 09:08 PM

I kind of favor a spear...but it has to be with an obsidian tip. Don't want to get too modernized with them new fangeled gadgets.

earlybird007 · 08-07-2005, 09:53 PM

I understand there has been a few people kill a bear with a spear.....sounds like fun....

Critr Gitr · 08-07-2005, 10:19 PM

I'm waiting for the warthog taken with a sharp spoon episode ....

Ryan Pultz · 08-08-2005, 01:16 AM

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I'm waiting for the warthog taken with a sharp spoon episode ....

Thats funny I dont care who you are. rp

Amahnee · 08-08-2005, 07:48 AM

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I know theres a lot of different types of hunting, deer, elk, birds ect but dont you all try to make the most humane kill you can?
I mean try to make your choice of weapon one that will put an animal down within a few seconds?

The reason I ask is I started a thread on salty dogs that should have been here about Tred Barta killing a hog with a knife and I kind of got slammed a bit by it.

What do you all think of him and macho knife hunt? Why not try to kill one with a hammer for instance.

I personaly think that the animal deseves better than that.

Go ahead tracker.....chime in.

I watched that myself and thought who would want to stab an animal to death while it's being held by a couple of dogs? To me, that isn't hunting. I would do it if I had no other means of surviving, but not for sport.

RichH · 08-08-2005, 08:02 AM

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To me, that isn't hunting. I would do it if I had no other means of surviving, but not for sport

Amen.

I find his macho attitude repulsive and don't even watch. I saw the promo for that episode and I agree, theres got to be a better way.

And personally I'd rather take a bullet through the heart than have my throat slashed, just personal preference I guess.

Ni! · 08-08-2005, 09:48 AM

I don't think it's inhumane, just stupid. And I can't stand Tred Barta either.

Ni!

uhmw · 08-08-2005, 02:24 PM

Let's examine this from the animals point of veiw- would you rather be taken out by a 30-06 from 300 yards or take your chances with the fool and his knife. this is the old gun verse bow argument-I bet if you ask mister pig who he wants hunting him he would pick fool with knife over high power reach out and touch ya long distance service.

Kaveman · 08-08-2005, 11:35 PM

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I mean try to make your choice of weapon one that will put an animal down within a few seconds?...What do you all think of him and macho knife hunt?...I personaly think that the animal deseves better than that.

Brother, you have every right to feel the way you do; and from what I understand, he had every right to hunt the way he did, even though he's a pompous a-hole who's compensating for a bad case of E.D. But would you have that right taken away if you could, in another state even?...or are you just complaining?

I heard on a local Seattle radio talkshow a few years back, some tree-hugging granola dweeb called in and was speaking out against fishing. This young activist was explaining how thrusting a sharp hook through a fish's jaw after "exploiting its instincts" to bite the bait/lure is inhumane and should be stopped. He went on to say that catch & release fishing was even worse--called it a "sadistic activity" because it's done purely for entertainment rather than for food.

To us, your argument and the dweeb's might seem like apples and oranges, but to a pig hunter in Texas, probably not.

A short story: Several years ago, I was scouting a hunting area w/ my dad. We drove up to a clearing and saw a cow elk standing about 50 yards away...she was emaciated--just skin and bones, and we could see an arrow stuck through her snout. She couldn't eat and was starving to death. Unfortunately, we didn't have gun to put her down, and she trotted off into the trees. I remember being downright pisst off. I don't bowhunt because of that; not because I think it's inhumane...I don't think that at all. I'm just not good enough with a bow yet to deliver a consistent lethal kill shot.
I've fired just about everything from a 9mm to an anti-tank missile...I'm pretty darn good with any of them.

I've found missiles to be a bit much for deer, so I use a 7mm...it's what works for me.

My point is, do what works for you--what you're comfortable with; pass along your values to your kids and grandkids. If you've got a message, write a book, become an activist, or start attending group therapy. (jk, I couldn't resist :tongue

But really, if you're just complaining about a TV show, why bother?...just change the channel.

I can just see it now...two months from now I'll be on here complaining about something and you all are gonna eat my lunch for it, but that's OK--I'll be a good sport about it.

MarlinMark · 08-09-2005, 02:05 AM

Good post Kaveman!! I concur.

Mark

p.s. This is from a real Caveman, Grants Pass High School '87

Musicman · 08-09-2005, 03:25 AM

Exactly my view also Kaveman.....just cause someone doesn't agree with what others are doing doesn't mean it should be outlawed. That's the world we live in though, conform or be ridiculed or hounded. Thanks for your post!

duckdog310 · 08-09-2005, 04:09 AM

Personally, I think Barta is a moron. His show lacks class. My $.02, FWIW.

There is no 100% effective method by which an instantaneous kill can be made. Ask anyone who's hit an elk in the boiler room with a .338 or the like. The perfect round, perfect shot, perfect bullet performance and so forth can still net you an animal that'll "live" for several seconds, all the while running away and in a state of panic and pain.

That is the nature of hunting. You do the very best for the animal by way of your gear selection, skill and discretion, but there is no way to ensure humanity in killing. Personally, I view knife hunting for hogs as outside the realm of good stewardship (and good sense, for that matter). That is my choice that I will choose to impose on only myself and my children (when they're born).

Bait Bucket · 08-09-2005, 04:58 AM

Pig stickin� isn�t anything new in the south/southeast. The locals there have been hunting feral hogs that way for years. I was surprised to see it aired on a TV channel. It doesn�t bother me at all that pig stickin� persists in the south. It�s just that I find it a lot more energy efficient to shot them with a gun. To each his own. WRT Barta, hey, I love the guy.

Rank Amateur · 08-09-2005, 09:13 AM

I haven't seen a lot of Barta, but I did see the episode where he went after a Doe mule deer over here in the Western States. He kept talking about a trophy Doe, I was rolling my eyes. If you know me, I not much on Doe hunting. But as the show progressed, I started seeing what Barta was talking about. He was having a very hard time getting close with the bow and then he was having a very hard time getting a hit. I guess what I liked about Barta was his openness, especially when he crippled a Doe and lost her. He finally got a Doe and yes indeed it was a trophy. Not that this has swayed my view on Doe hunting when it is not appropriate!!!!

Amahnee · 08-09-2005, 12:35 PM

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A short story: Several years ago, I was scouting a hunting area w/ my dad. We drove up to a clearing and saw a cow elk standing about 50 yards away...she was emaciated--just skin and bones, and we could see an arrow stuck through her snout. She couldn't eat and was starving to death. Unfortunately, we didn't have gun to put her down, and she trotted off into the trees. I remember being downright pisst off. I don't bowhunt because of that; not because I think it's inhumane...I don't think that at all. I'm just not good enough with a bow yet to deliver a consistent lethal kill shot.
I've fired just about everything from a 9mm to an anti-tank missile...I'm pretty darn good with any of them. I've found missiles to be a bit much for deer, so I use a 7mm...it's what works for me.

This happens just as much with rifle hunters, it's not just a bow thing.

It's taking responsible shots at the responsible distances at the right time to avoid those horrible things. It has nothing to do with bow vs.rifle. Unfortunately some animals will face the guy who has to try to harvest at any cost, and some guy's will just screw up and wound an animal. It's sad, but it happens alot more than we know.

Flying Roast Beef · 08-09-2005, 02:12 PM

Barta is an egomaniac I'll stick to the rifle and bow thank you

Flying Roast Beef · 08-09-2005, 02:16 PM

I don't know about that every animal i've shot fell down.

Kaveman · 08-09-2005, 03:43 PM

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It has nothing to do with bow vs.rifle.

...Neither does my story, in the general sense, that is. However, it has everything to do with bow vs. rifle for me...I got a free visual lesson from that cow on the responsibility that goes with this sport we love so much. I'm a great marksman, but a lousy archer; therefor, I go with the rifle. It would be irresponsible for me to do otherwise.

You're right though, I doubt too many wounded animal stories get passed around the workplace during the week after the season. It would be something to have some accurate statistics, but I'm sure the tree huggers would try to use it against us and unforunately, it's very difficult to legislate responsibility without constraints...instead, I think responsibility falls into my previous statement about values.